Spiral Knights - No trinkets or UVs in pvp. (Yes, i'm beating the dead horse).

No trinkets or UVs in pvp. (Yes, i'm beating the dead horse).

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Fri, 11/11/2011 - 11:20

Orangeo

My T1 pvp loadout;

Frostbreaker helm, medium stun. Can't be stunned.
Frostbreaker armor, medium elemental. Fire and shock barely hurt.
Full ice ressistance, so no statuses really effect me. Shcok slows me down, that's it.

Heavy hatchet, medium attack speed. Plus another medium attack and damage buff from striker.
Pummel gun, medium charge time. 30% total reduction, becuase it's level 10, like everything else. Now mix all that with autoaim.

Heart pendant, +2 hp.
So striker only takes off 1 hp. 6 plips total. Most noobs have 2 if they use striker, and I kill them in two hits, even if it isn't a combo.

I've got full vog attack speed increase, good defense against all statusses, and two more health points. I don't really think it's a fair fight, but OOO let's me use this gear, so it must be fair to make a mod calibrator a day. OOO says so, after all.

Or is it fair? I think trinkets and UV's are unfair becuase they are overpowered and cannot be seen. I've been told that "ohh, the only reason you want to get rid of trinkets and UV's is becuase you don't have any", but I do, and I'll mow you over and make money doing it, so don't bother using that line. I often deactivate my trinket, but the opposition still rarely gets to even 100 points before the match ends. Even on 5 base maps. I only lose when theirs another full 1* with some UV's, but I've taken down a team of 1 stars while all my allies were in proto gear. Only person that beats me more than I beat him is duovit, and he dosen't use full inspect (not that I'm offended). Wonder why. This basicaly turns lockdown into a gabling machine for noobs, to see if they are on the better team, and in the end I get all the cash. They ussualy rage quit too, I often have a double size team. This is why we can't allow UV's or trinkets in pvp. It just pisses off anyone who dosen't have them, and me.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 11:30

Sirkibles

I've tried to use a voltac

I've tried to use a voltac tempist on a full sklover, only to see that he is unaffected. I inspect him at the end, and he has full shock ressistance.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 11:43

Orangeo

Exactaly. Not only is being

Exactaly. Not only is being able to make yourself immune to haze lines OP on its own, you also can't tell untill the end of the match.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 12:17

Juances

but but

Some Status trinkets and UVs are only usefull to counter the haze bombs, you can't rely on them that much on clokworks.
For example my vog shock high makes Voltaic Tempest users useless, yet I still get shocked while doing twins.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 12:21

Orangeo

Of course, that's why they're

Of course, that's why they're ok in PVE.
Having extra peircing ressistance might not annoy a wolver too much, but a flourish weilder might get greatly annoyed.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 15:45

Sirkibles

Bump!

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 16:27

Nodocchi

I think what is unfair is

I think what is unfair is that you're going down to t1 to beat on noobs. These are the guys who has only joined the game and barely even know how to play. It is a lot more balanced in t3 and having more than one leaver is rare. Also, people in t3 actually know how to play the game so I doubt you'd find many people who can't match up against you.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 19:08

Orangeo

" think what is unfair is

" think what is unfair is that you're going down to t1 to beat on noobs. "
That's the point. OOO let's people do stuff like this. And, to be honest, T1 people have much better strategy. People dealing less damage gets them to focus on capping and healing. On top of that, ussualy over half of the players are T3 anyway, I have to pm at least four people ussualy to join T1 lockdown and get it to start. I just out UV them, it's not playing experience.
On top of that, who do you think crafts and sells 1* items with high end UV's? Noobs, of course. I give them money, earn it back in lockdown, buy a mod calibrator, get money from end game players. And to FURTHER enforce my point, that I'm only playing T1 to make a statment, I often craft and give out pummel guns and heavy hatchets to anyone who decides to play T1 with me.

" It is a lot more balanced in t3 and having more than one leaver is rare."
Not when someone like hetero is on the other team. Fighting a full sklover with a barborous thorn blade and all four star heart trinkets just dosen't sound fun at all. What's worse is when you find this out at the scoreboard as opposed to beforehand. They could at LEAST enable full inspect before all matches. I can certianaly match up to people in T3 as well, but it's not balanced. If I had a nickle for every thread complaining about BTB, I'd be rich.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 02:50

Frostythepyro

I am down with no UV or

I am down with no UV or trinkets in pvp, or at least in T1 and T2.

Sun, 11/13/2011 - 11:18

Orangeo

They could at least be cut in

They could at least be cut in half. Prehaps they could make a "ultiment" PVP like in the beta, that allows things like trinkets or UV's. I mean, we already have enough T3 players.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 18:41

#10

Batabii

Question: You're in tier 1.

Question: You're in tier 1. Brandish, Alchemer, and Haze variants (The primary status dealers) are 2* or more, thus making them tier 2. Exactly what are you expecting to do status effects with any consistency? Most T1 statusing weapons like Frost Gun only deal status on charge, and even then not very often.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:36

#11

Orangeo

Huh? I don't deal status

Huh? I don't deal status effects. The only real way to get a status on you is the 3rd swing of a static or hot edge, the blast from a firecracker cold snap, and the occasional static flash, or getting clubbed by a thwack hammer. Plus traps.
Statusses aren't very common, but they are noticeable. Allot of the time I'll be next to a handful of my allies, and when we get whacked everyone but me get's stunned. The medium elemental is the only crappy UV, becuase in T1 "medium damage defense" is not very large looking compared to "medium status ressist".

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:54

#12

Nicoya-Kitty

I have to say that the good

I have to say that the good chance of strong freeze on the Cold Snap makes it a favourite of mine in T1, and I can swap it out for a firecracker if someone comes along in frostbreaker armor.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:18

#13

Maydiee

I like the idea of having an option to collectively vote for no Heart Pendants prior to the match. That would balance out a lot of things especially the ones who have money too blow.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 01:09

#14

Heavy-Duty

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So undermine those who P2P for trinkets and those who pay for trinkets who are F2P? No likey trinkets? Just get some and you be happy. You no want some? Don't get them. Can't get them? Rage craft, grind, something. I don't own trinkets, but I like many others would want some advantage over the enemies. Want to ban Polaris, Snarble Barbs, and Gran Faust too? They're OP in the place, so why not? Why not ban all 5* weapons in this case. Wait, but then fast weapons have advantages over slow ones... ban any slow and fast weapon! Ban all 5* and 3* weapons, and to add on that ban slow and fast weapons to allow some kind of equality. Then, ban all armors that supply damage to weapons, oh and speed too! Ban UVs! Ban anything that would make weapons have power over another... WAIT! Ban all NON COBALT/ BLAST BOMB/ CALIBUR/ BLASTERS!!! And when one team's player quits (or even logs off because mom says no more comp[real story]) then make another player on the opposite team be kicked! For sure there'd be equality there! I forgot something- ban the people who use Mist to respawn faster than the other team does! Booyeah then we have complete equality throughout the land of PVP. No more show offs, no more wasting energy, just pure combat without power over another, just smarts! I'm starting to think this could be a good idea too....

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 17:56

#15

Orangeo

Nicoya-Kitty; "I have to say

Nicoya-Kitty;
"I have to say that the good chance of strong freeze on the Cold Snap makes it a favourite of mine in T1, and I can swap it out for a firecracker if someone comes along in frostbreaker armor."
Yup. I prefer the heavy status-less (well, stun) weapons. Nobodys got full normal. Kinda like how none has complete pericing ressistance from BTB in T3, HMM.

Heavy-Duty ;
"So undermine those who P2P for trinkets and those who pay for trinkets who are F2P? No likey trinkets? Just get some and you be happy. You no want some? Don't get them."
I did get them, that was the intire point of the thread. Did you read anything other than the title? I didn't say "caliburs only", you just assumed that. Not only does it make no sense, it makes you look like a freaking idiot. Troll somewhere else, prehaps a learning website.

Plus, if you read the comments, you'd have read me saying "Prehaps they could make a "ultiment" PVP like in the beta, that allows things like trinkets or UV's. I mean, we already have enough T3 players.". Hurp dur, people with trinkets can still play there with their UV's. We've got plenty of T3 players, and about half of them have trinkets.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 18:20

#16

Heavy-Duty

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I just commented on another thread about the same thing... -_-. If you don't have trinkets, it's just a part of the game. You buy it you use it good luck. I myself don't have trinkets (thank you very much) and almost everything is unfair in this game. Making it more fair would only bring down those who have played longer. Creating a whole new mode for people with Trinkets is pointless; It's barely any change (well except for those pesky 2x Healthers) and people, if in a strategic group, would easily smite them. You bought a Trinket? Make it useful! And yes Orangeo, I have created my first Troll post in your thread to see how far this problem can become. Battles WILL be uneven, so strategy is the best to match. If brunt force allows them to win completely (or you in that matter) then its victory. With pure cobalt basic sets, you can remove all potential unevenness. People get UVs and Trinkets to get an advantage. That's the whole reason, and almost anyone is capable of gaining any. Ultimate PVP? Pshaw, welcome to Tier 3 mostpowerfulguildbattles PVP man. I'm a weak PVP player, but am totally not complaining about any of this. What is the big deal with not-really-over-powered-yet-OP players? You battle to win. That is it. People who use extra time or use $$$ for stuff shouldn't be brought down because of these things.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 18:45

#17

Orangeo

"Making it more fair would

"Making it more fair would only bring down those who have played longer."
So you think making the game fair would be ...unfair? So smooth keith stone.
"Ultimate PVP? Pshaw, welcome to Tier 3 "
That was my point, make it separate. It was in the beta, and no one complained about the separation. Now, it's not here, and alas! People complain.
" People who use extra time or use $$$ for stuff shouldn't be brought down because of these things."
Yes, they shoudldn't have to pick on 3* players with one 4* peice, and be told it's adaquate. I'd rather play an ultiment mode.
" You battle to win. That is it."
And this is why you really shouldn't be commenting on PVP fourms, you only battle to win. Case and point.

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