Spiral Knights - Inconsistency between defense stars/value and damage taken

Inconsistency between defense stars/value and damage taken

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Thu, 11/17/2011 - 12:08

Ciopo

so, here is the scenario I got

I like to multibox, recently I did a jelly king run between me and me and me and me ( 3 paid account, 1 f2p)

On my main, I was in ash tail cap and coat, plus a sinister skelly shield ( have to heat it up :P)
On my alts-for-crowns, I (we?) was(were) in full proto gear with 0 heat whatsoever

Anyhow, had some lag spikes and managed to die with everything, so I energy revive on one of the alt because I had already used the 5CE revive on my main, and proceed to revive my main with it.
Once I revived the main, I go poke a slime on my alt just to add up those 20-30 damages or so
it took *2* attacks of the slimes to remove my 2.5 health bars on my alt in full proto gear, first spin did 1.5, second killed me.
I am 100% sure that on my main the spinning attack of the slimes do 2.5-3 bars of damage when I'm wearing normal+piercing 4* gear.

So... what gives? monster damage scales up based on the gear we wear? o.0

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 12:14

Asukalan

Boooo, alt user!

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 12:30

Volebamus

That's effectively just a

That's effectively just a "Last Stand" effect (seems to be the most popular nickname for that effect on these forums) where an attack that might kill you doesn't, and leaves just 1 HP bar behind. If your alt had a large vitapod, you could better see what the true damage for that alt would've been.

This mostly means that if you also ever want to go into damage observations and calculations, it's best as well to ignore attacks that put you near death.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 13:10

Ciopo

ohhhhhhh... why aren't things

ohhhhhhh... why aren't things like that documented :(

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 13:19

Algol-Sixty

Boooo, alt user! Why should

Boooo, alt user!

Why should you care? Ciopo is paying 4 times the CE to get 4 times the crowns/heat/tokens, but no increase in the amount of mats. More over, all the monsters are going to be harder.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 13:55

Sypsy

I noticed this with explosive

I noticed this with explosive blocks.

My alt will need to be brought down to 1 pip of hp before the explosive block will kill him. While my main (5*) will die with more than 1 pip of hp.
I think it's built in as a "kindness" to newer players. At what point the kindness drops off, I have no idea.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 14:01

Beans

ohhhhhhh... why aren't things

ohhhhhhh... why aren't things like that documented :(

Because this community is lazy.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 15:49

Orangeo

"recently I did a jelly king

"recently I did a jelly king run between me and me and me and me"
you do realize that violates the TOS... you can only have one account, and you must have at least 2 to have 4 knights total.

"Ciopo is paying 4 times the CE to get 4 times the crowns/heat/tokens, but no increase in the amount of mats."
So he's increasing the crown supply 4 times as much, and decreasing the CE supply 4 times as much. More crowns and less CE means that the trade price will increase if too many people did that, smart one.

Also, I'm pretty sure that that's the anti-instakill thing. Anything that would instantly kill you only puts you in a very small amount of hp. Getting clubbed by a T3 trojan won't kill you instantly even if you're in protogear.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:06

Ciopo

I suggest YOU read the TOS,

I suggest YOU read the TOS, since it's nowhere stated that having multiple accounts is prohibited, in fact, it have been stated multiple times by official sources that someone can have as many paid account as he want and at most 2 free accounts per computer.

you may /facepalm now

About your comment about me depleting CE 4 times as fast, I hereby inform you that I'm one using almost sorely the CE I bought, and I even from time to time sell some when I cba farming my crowns, so if anything, I am a seller, not a buyer :)

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 15:54

Ranick

I have this happen all the

I have this happen all the time with lumbers. I'd get smacked out of the room losing 12+ bars of health, then later get hit by one and only lose 3. Either there is a sort of hidden defense for lower star armors based on those around them or this game is like Ecco the Dolphin and has poorly proportioned visible health values (ie. the bars towards the right have say, 20 points of health, while the ones towards the left have 60)

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:12

#10

Eclecticmessiah

the entire rest of this game

the entire rest of this game runs on probability. what makes you think damage doesnt?

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:21

#11

Orangeo

How the? I don't even-

Then why would they make it so that opening two games at once closes one of your instances? Well, unless OOO happens to also sell computers, and want's people to buy computers for extra accounts, I'd say that its becuase they obviously don't want people making AFK slaves.
The only reason that they would keep you from using more than one character per computer is becuase they must find it contrary to the spirit of the game.
Wait, that sounds fimmiliar...
Let's look at rule #14;
"engage in any behavior that is contrary to the 'spirit of the game' as defined by Three Rings in its sole discretion. This includes the manipulation of the game environment."
So you can't do things that are contrary to the 'spirit of the game' as OOO defines it. OOO obviously defines using alts as such, becuase they already block you from opening multiple windows, AND throughout the TOS they reffer to only "your account" as opposed to ever saying "your account(s)".
Let's look at rule 6;
"you cannot forge headers or otherwise manipulate identifiers in order to disguise the origin of any materials you or another party transmit through Spiral Knights"
I'd say being four people at once falls under the catagorie "manipulating identifiers".

So it is indeed most certianaly against the TOS. Prehaps YOU should read it.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:27

#12

Ciopo

uh, it doesn't? I open 4

uh, it doesn't? I open 4 games at once every day you know, with 4 separate accounts, and no, it doesn't close one of my instances, so your point there is.. null? :)

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:47

#13

Paweu

When did the chinese gold

When did the chinese gold farmers start invading this game?

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:48

#14

Algol-Sixty

Orangeo, multiple accounts is

Orangeo, multiple accounts is a clear-cut case of if being ok with OOO. I'm regularly impressed by your pretzel logic, so I've learned to ignore many of your claims, but others may not, so "multiple accounts are absolutely fine by {OOO}"

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