Spiral Knights - Would you have done the same thing?

Would you have done the same thing?

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Sun, 11/20/2011 - 21:19

Olivemenace

So today I did something really cruel. I kinda feel bad, but at the same time I think I would do the same thing again if the opportunity presented itself.

So i was running through levels to get to a terminal so i could invite some friends to do an IMF run with me. As I am the only one with an elevator pass, I usually just dash through levels ignoring all the enemies and avoiding damage. Additionally, I like to join open parties to get a head-start and (hopefully) not have to run through as many levels.

Once we got into the deconstruction zone I immediately made a mad dash for the exit elevator. I intended to stand on the elevator and then choose "go solo" so as to get through as fast as possible. As i was running through, I saw a love puppy. I thought to myself "if i wait to let my allies heal off it they might get the drop if one appears." so I mercilessly slaughtered it before they even knew it existed. As often happens to me, I received nothing. I then proceeded to the exit and left immediately, so as to not have to stay and wile in my guilt.

I do feel bad about it, but when I think of the possibility of getting a love locket I feel justified in my decision to slaughter the love puppy. Would any of you have done the same thing in my place?

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 22:02

Evilnut

Item pickup has been stealth patched

Item pickup has been stealth patched

People say that when an item drops, the knight who picks it up gets it.

I don't know if that's true or not, since I only got 3 item drops and they all happened when I solo. The other times someone else got it when I was off-screen.

But after the recent patch (elevator pass), I fought JK with a friend. He was still near the giant token, while I broke the boxes and saw a Prisma Driver dropped. I picked it up and it went to my friend.

So even if a love pendant do drop, you may not be the one to get it.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 22:09

Nicoya-Kitty

@Evilnut I think the point is

@Evilnut I think the point is he didn't want to wait around for the rest of the team to do the whole level, and love puppies are coded not to drop anything if you go solo before killing them, so he killed it first and went solo afterwards. A 1/4 chance of getting the trinket if it drops is better than a 0/1 chance if you go solo.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 22:29

Myllakka

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Whoa wait, item pick up has been stealth patched? When, and to do what? I'm pretty sure the FSC I ran today still have randomly distributed mats, but I wasn't paying much attention. Or is it 'items' as in weapons and trinkets only?

As for love puppy slaying...eh, I've been a part of many such kills and a pendant has dropped exactly zero times. I'm half-convinced it's an elaborate hoax at this point. ;p I would've stayed and killed the puppy after they got healed, but if I was in your shoes, I would've went solo as soon as I got into a party, so it wouldn't have mattered.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:48

Evilnut

@Myllakka

Yeah I meant items (weapons/armor) and trinkets. People used to say those are given to the knight who pick it up, just like vials and pills, but I found out that's no longer the case. Seems to be in the elevator pass/energy burst patch.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:55

Twiddle

I wouldn't have done it, but

I wouldn't have done it, but I don't care if I have the trinket. Others might feel differently.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:59

Dancinjen

It never went to the person

It never went to the person that picked it up on purpose. It wasn't stealth patched. It has always been random. In beta you could chose on how your party went... items were shared or items you picked up were yours that included heat and crowns. but now you no longer get that option.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 01:01

Kupoo

Nope

I'd be busy smashing my F12 key through the keyboard, and quite happy that some noob hadn't gotten to it first.

Then I'd proceed to shout "DON'T KILL THE LOVE PUPPY", "DON'T TOUCH THE PINK THING", and "WAIT STOP YOU FOOL DON'T DO THAT" until we've finished the level.

But then again, I don't have an Elevator Pass. I don't think I'd do that even if I did have one, though. I like them too much.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 01:06

Erika-Maeda

what if he were the team

what if he were the team leader and a trinket is dropped and he want to take it for himself surely? remove all other ?

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 01:23

Silphius

Item drops are randomly

Item drops are randomly distributed. I've had item drops going to people different than me (two scary skelly suits I picked up) and I've heard accounts from several players who said the same things happens with love puppy drops.

Going solo makes love puppies never drop anything at all, so that's the worst thing you can do if you want one. I think it's only possible for a pup to drop in the original instance it spawned in (going solo makes a new cloned instance). So anyway, at worst you killed a love puppy before people could heal from it and made the "chance on randomly distributed heart pendant" happen sooner. I think there's nothing wrong with that if you're in a hurry, if people can't handle such a level they shouldn't be doing those gates yet. Personally, I'd have waited since I sometimes like partying with randoms.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 02:38

#10

Kickthebucket

ask yourself this

haha how would you have felt when you picked up the locket and somebody else got it? :D (probably would have turned out this way)

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 05:12

#11

Shidara

Elusive Love Puppies and their even more elusive Trinkets

I am always tempted to do solo runs because of this reason alone: finding a Love Puppy. If I do end up finding one, and it actually drops something, I would ram my head into a wall if a random team-mate got it instead. My reaction would probably be to kick everyone in my party after seeing it actually drops something, then pick it up when it's only me left. Not sure if it works that way (or if I'd even have the time to) but after slaying so many Love Puppies without effect, you shouldn't judge me for snapping if it's distributed to someone else.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 06:09

#12

Melodramatic

drops

I've seen of drops of guns, swords, shields, and even an armor and they distribute random (since April), of course in that same amount of time i've seen fewer than ten love puppies that haven't dropped at all, the worst are team mates that see 'em and immediately zero in on them to kill for the trinket, I'm starting to wonder if they will even drop a pendant, lol

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 08:33

#13

Beans

@Shidara

My reaction would probably be to kick everyone in my party after seeing it actually drops something, then pick it up when it's only me left. Not sure if it works that way (or if I'd even have the time to) but after slaying so many Love Puppies without effect, you shouldn't judge me for snapping if it's distributed to someone else.

1. It doesn't work that way.

2. What makes you so special that it would be justified? Why don't any of your party members deserve it? Just because you think you want a locket more?

3. I am definitely entitled to judge you for being greedy, and I have deemed you a jerk.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:45

#14

Shidara

@Tazurin

Tough luck. Well then, I'll continue on my merry way.

Out there is a fortune, waiting to be had. If you think I'd let it go, then you got another thing coming.

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I find it amusing how people are so intently set on making me out as a jerk. :P

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 09:56

#15

Rangerwillx

Wheee.

1. He's the party leader, so tough luck on the other guys.
2. He's not a jerk. Tell me you wouldn't do this, hell it's a trinket.
3. It doesn't work so who cares anyway.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:39

#16

Evilduck

1. That still makes him a

1. That still makes him a jerk.
2. Yes he is and no, I wouldn't.
3. Still a jerk.

In answer to the OP, I'd have just fought the level with them. So it takes a little longer, yeah, but you don't deprive them of the chance to heal up and you still get a 1/4 shot at whatever the love puppy drops. If they're noobs and kill it quickly anyway, just go solo afterward.

And the stealth patch? That's months old - if I'm not mistaken it was a change made between the preview event ending and the official release. If I'm wrong, it was patched pretty quickly after release because I got my first drop early on when another party member stepped on the item.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 11:53

#17

Melisan

I don't understand why you

I don't understand why you don't actually want to run through levels properly, you are missing the point of the game. If there is a drop and a team member gets it well good for them (no matter what it is). What you did was selfish and, well, mean but thats your choice and i'm sure you'll make lots of friends with that attitude.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 12:00

#18

Nick

Developer

Item drops have not been

Item drops have not been stealth patched. Loot is randomly distributed unless it's hearts, crowns, heat, tokens, etc.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 12:14

#19

Tom-Awsm

I can attest to the above, as

I can attest to the above, as I've witnessed several item drops that hasn't gone to the knight picking them up.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 14:21

#20

Oakgear

No, you idiot

You could have also left the party and then you'd get your own puppy, then the group would see theirs, you selfish fool

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 14:33

#21

Silphius

They lose the ability to drop

They lose the ability to drop anything when you do that these days. That's essentially how heart pendants were exploited the last time, people were banned for that.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 15:00

#22

Slayzz

If I found a love puppy in a

If I found a love puppy in a room, I would do the same as you, for this sole reason; everybody in the games greedy as hell, but it is absolutely not their fault. You have to be though, because of the difficulty of finding resources and high prices.
On a side note, I experienced a total of 6 drops in my playtime:
1) 5* person got a wise owlite shield as a drop in a graveyard (gave it to me to free- extremely kind of him)
2) Someone found a scary smelly suit, and it went to them
3) Someone RIGHT BESIDE ME found an iceburst brandish. Sooooo lucky
4) I found a circuit breaker armor after slapping Roarmy twins yet another time (I was solo though)
5) Someone was demolishing the 3rd arena rewards boxes, and everyone went to heal. There was a 3* shield right in the middle of the boxes, yet somehow no one noticed. Then one person got it, and happened to find out eventually.
6) I was in a party of 4 at RJP 16, and got a jelly shield out of a box (went to me).

All of this happened at least a month ago, so it might have been patched. All I can say is that ALL of these drops went to the players who picked them up.

Lastly, I can guarantee that ANYONE who is party leader and sees a trinket worth over 100k crowns would kick the rest of the party (unless they are friends or guildees- if you kick a friend or a guild mate, you deserve the title of an a-hole (no I don't normally swear)). Greed is just something that show in everyone, no matter how nice a person is.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 15:04

#23

Bluescreenofdeath

^ ^ ^If he went solo, then

@Oakgear (the not so wise)
If he went solo, then the puppy would have defiantly dropped nothing. OP was still selfish though, as it sounds as though he joined somebodies party, ran off leaving the others to fight by themselves, and destroyed a heath dispenser. Not to mention he thought that he was cutting the others out of the chance of getting drops from it. If you are going to speed run, just split solo from the get-go.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 15:17

#24

Batabii

you should always kill the

you should always kill the love puppy last. You lose nothing by waiting. And gain health.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 15:19

#25

Beans

Greed is just something that

Greed is just something that show in everyone, no matter how nice a person is.

Don't waste people's kindness with stupid blanket statements like that.

Some people are nice. Selflessly nice, sometimes to a fault even.

If you assume everyone thinks exclusively about themselves and is averse to fairness, then all you're doing is helping to breed that kind of untrusting society by acting the way you think everyone else thinks.

That is way preachier than I wanted to be, but oh welp.

If you like manga, go read Liar Game. It's relevant to what I'm talking about.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 15:34

#26

Slayzz

@tazurin I'm not talking

@tazurin I'm not talking about the give 1k crowns for free kindness. I'm talking about a 100k trinket. Unless ou can proveme otherwise (I am sure you can't), then the statement remains true. (of people not being nice enough to leave 100k trinket possibly for someone else.) Ask yourself, if there were 100k crowns lying on the ground in the form of one uber coin, would you let someone else have it? Or would you go for it?

......and no, I don't like manga.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 15:37

#27

Beans

I'd go for it, but I wouldn't boot the other person and deprive them of the chance to get it.

If they get it, that's fine. We had an equal chance to get it.

But to go the extra mile to make sure they have no chance of getting it is low. It's not something I can morally justify.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 15:40

#28

Bigfootm

What Dark Ritual?

I've sadly only had 3 drops.

I picked up a Graviton Vortex, went to Lostillusion. (Thanks again. :])
A member (Ifortune) picked up a Force Buckler and got it.
I picked up a Hot Edge after Vanaduke but didn't get it.

All I can say.

/thread

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 15:49

#29

Slayzz

@tazurin I agree kicking

@tazurin I agree kicking would be a bit to much. I agree though that I still would try to get it. I guess whatever happens happens.

I'm curious, since this thread seems to have a lot of viewers, has anybody received any sort of drop from a love puppy in the past 30 days?

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 15:53

#30

Silphius

I am also very curious about

I am also very curious about that. For all we know the drop rates were stealth patched too.

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:28

#31

Rommil

making mental note

to never run with olivemenace

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 17:36

#32

Jailie

In response to the OP, I may

In response to the OP, I may be new to SK but I'm not new to MMO's. As for whether I would do the same, that would depend completely on my mood.

If I'm in a kind, generous and caring mood then I would have fought through the level with the party I joined, let them heal off the pup and probably even let someone else end its life. If I'm in an average, kind hearted yet hurried mood then I probably would have joined the party (in hopes that they were almost done), stay with the party but quickly kill everything even if it means I get most of the loot, let everyone heal off the pup but attempt to destroy it before anyone else (in hopes of a drop for my own keeping). If I'm in a could care less, I'm the only one that matters because I don't know any of you and I'll more than likely never see you again and hurried mood then I would have proceeded exactly as you did, without any guilt at the end.

:shrug: Just depends on how I'm feelin at the moment. >:]

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 18:39

#33

Aroxian

You're a monsterrrrr!

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 18:53

#34

Hedgebrg

CRUEL

YOU SLAUGHTERED A PUPPY

TERRIBLE HUMAN

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