Well, i need some help. Acctualy i use the great defender and i plan to get a pulsar\polaris or an antigua as a gun, and continue the defender line, but i rarely see knights with a defender as a shield, and i don't know wich gun to pick. so, i also plan to get the bristling buckler as a shield, or maybe an owlite shield, so... can someone say wich shield and wich gun is the best? (i mostly use the sword, but i like to have a gun to kill enemies from a distance or when i am low at health).
best shield and gun?
Sat, 11/26/2011 - 11:34
Sat, 11/26/2011 - 12:01
#2
Theres not really a best gun
Theres not really a best gun or shield. Everything is situation specific. Probably the shield most people would consider best, is the Owlite Shield. It will defend you from elemental damage, and is good for vanaduke runs (which is what most people do at endgame). However, it wont be very good for fiend areas, since they use shadow damage, and the Barbarous Thorn Shield is better for JK runs, as you want piercing defence there. The Barbarous Thorn Shield also gives a Medium Sword Damage increase (which can be helpful). Overall, if you want to head straight for vanaduke equipment, id suggest an Owlite Shield. If you want a general purpose shield for tiers 1-2, id suggest getting the Barbarous Thorn Shield first, then getting an Owlite.
As for guns, Polaris is an excellent choice. Its great for shocking gunpuppies, and stopping them from shooting. As well as knocking enemies back when you need space at low health. Plus, theres the area damage, and elemental typing is useful for the majority of enemies. However it wont be so useful against wolvers and gremlins. If you really want a gun for everything, the normal type Supernova (the normal version of polaris, without shock) or the valiance could be better for you. But the valiance wont provide knockback or area damage. Personally, id suggest the Polaris. The two types of enemies which are good against elemental dodge anyway, and if you mainly use swords, the Polaris is deffinately more then enough. However, if you only wanted to use a gun for vanaduke, theres the blitz needle. Which does massive damage to him, but overall is not as useful and leaves you vulnerable.
Sat, 11/26/2011 - 12:02
#3
Polaris or Argent Peacemaker
Polaris or Argent Peacemaker are good sidearms for a Swordsmaster.
I do NOT reccomend the Defender/Ageis line for a shield, as the Barbarous Thorn Shield has the same defense PLUS it boost your attack power with swords.
Alchemer lines are good guns too.
The reason I say to get an AP/Sentezza is that Nick announced they might make them deal pure elemental and Shadow damage respectively, which in turn will most likely give them the #1 spot in terms of good guns
Of course I have yet to get Barbarous Thorn SHIELD, I have Full Skolver, Snarby coat, BTB, and 4* Dark thorn shield.
I prefer using my Crest of Almire shield due to shadow protection, but its all preference.
"BEST" Shields:
Grey Owlite Shield------5* Elemental, Fire, and Shock defense
Barbarous Thorn shield------ 5* Piercing, Freeze (?) defense AND Damage bonus: Medium to swords
Crest of Almire-------5* Shadow, Fire, and Shock defense
Volcanic Plate Shield------ 5* Normal and fire defense. EXTREMELY HIGH HEALTH, good for when you need a shield to withstand TONS of hits.
"BEST" Guns:
Polaris------5* Elemental. 3-shot clip. Good knockback. Shock chance to enemies
Supernova----- 5* Normal. Same as Polaris but NO Shock chance.
Alchemers-----5* 2-shot clip. Nice for Sword users as a backup weapon.
Argent Peacemaker------5* 6-shot clip. Split Elemental/Pierce damage (may become pure elemental).
Another great sidearm for sword users and is good in FSC.
Sentezza----5* same as Argent Peacemaker but with Shadow/Pierce damage (may become pure shadow).
Callahan----5* 2-shot clip. Piercing damage. Stun chance on enemy. Bullets are fastest in game (i think). Great gun against Beasts and Fiends.
Blitz Needle------5* 2-"shot" clip. Each attack sprays about 7 bullets. Pure Piercing damage. INSANE damage on charge (wiki tables). Great for FSC/Vana
And I feel like I'm missing something.
Meh this is good, feel free to add on to the list.
~Xeirla
EDIT: Spiral Wiki posted before me...... NNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Sat, 11/26/2011 - 12:09
#4
lol, well your post has more
lol, well your post has alot more detail, and covers things that i didn't. Plus it doesnt look like a wall of text :p I think the AP/Sentenza are more for offense then defence. Thats only if Nick does change the damage typing on them (which is looking likely); for now they're still not that great. The alchemers and callahan are great guns, but theyre more for gunners. I wouldnt really suggest them for a swordsman.
Sat, 11/26/2011 - 12:14
#5
lol ty ^^I try to keep my
lol ty ^^
I try to keep my text more sandwiched. lol
Anyway back on the topic of AP/Sentzz; I know they aren't the best for defensive use, but they are ok for a swordie (which is what I'm getting from the OP.). If you're going full gunner, its nice to have, but many of the other guns overshadow it.
And yeah the Alchemers and Callahan are for gunners, but hey, he asked for the best guns, so I provided :P
Now I need to focus on eating and playing the game instead of typing in every thread :/
brb lol
EDIT: Blitz is also more gunner oriented. Forgot to mention that :|
~Xeirla
Sat, 11/26/2011 - 12:38
#6
lol yeah i know, i literally
lol yeah i know, i literally added Blitz because its also for sword/bombers who only want something to deal with vanaduke :p AP/Sentz should be good, I just think its outclassed :P Your points were all correct though :p
Sat, 11/26/2011 - 12:59
#7
thanks for your help :D
looking at your descriptions for the shields and guns i made my results:
i'm going to get a polaris as my sidearm instead of the antigua, yes it might be weaker agnist wolvers and gremilins, but i can deal with them with my sword (i plan to get a leviathan blade).
as for shields, i'm going to get some money to buy a heavy plate shield or the wise owlite shield, but still i can't decide between: being capable of taking a lot of hits (plate shield) or resisting a lot of elemental damage (owlite shield), but, i'm not going to use the barbarous thorn shield, since i'm going to get the skolver or the vog cub set.
So... i plan to use one shield for all situations (or at least when i get enough money to buy the other one), and, between the plate and the owlite shield, wich one do you guys think its better for my plan?
Sat, 11/26/2011 - 17:21
#8
Sorry for the slow response.
Sorry for the slow response. Personally I think Owlite is more useful since it will take more damage then the volcanic if there is any elemental damage. Which is alot of attacks, since after tier 1 everything does not only normal damage, but either elemental, piercing, or shadow as well (sometimes multiple i think). So even though it has a ton of health, i think the elemental defence is more useful, its not like the Owlite has little health either. However, im slightly biased since I like vana runs, and I chose Owlite for myself :)
Sat, 11/26/2011 - 19:53
#9
thanks
i'll see if i can buy one with some extra variants, now i only need more crowns :P
Sun, 11/27/2011 - 00:12
#10
If I had to do it again, I
If I had to do it again, I would probably do a Heavy Plate Shield first, because it's average against everything. Sure, Owlite will last longer against Elemental, but that's only 1 out of 3 special damage types, so Plate Shield should be more all-around. And it's less popular, so you look less like a clone.
As for Polaris vs Argent Peacemaker, good choice. You shouldn't consider Argent Peacemaker unless you are only doing FSC. Even then, It's not the ultimate gun, contrary to what some people makes it look like. Polaris is a very good all-around gun, and compliment a Leviathan Blade very well.
Sun, 11/27/2011 - 07:14
#11
Its down to preference,
Its down to preference, Owlite is more useful for higher tiers since pretty much everything after tier 1 has a some elemental in it in one form or another, although some more then others. Plus the Owlite isnt going to break easily below tier 3 anyway. You will need to get it to 5* though, but im thinking of usefulness once you have your shield completely made. Heavy Plate is nice though, I just think that priority should go to the harder levels, since what works on them might not work best on the earlier levels, but will deffinately work fine for them.
Sun, 11/27/2011 - 08:24
#12
I agree it's down to
I agree it's down to preference, but I don't agree for the rest of your argument.
Not everything has some elemental in it. In fact, if you run FSC, only puppies and fire do elemental damage, the rest is mostly normal and shadow (with some piercing, but that's negligible). And the hardest thing out there, except for Shadow Lair, is Vanaduke, which do normal damage (with fire/stun). Yes, if you go on the fire in his room, you'll suffer elemental damage, but if you do, that's probably because you lagged or something, so your shield won't be up anyway.
I read a thread a while ago, with some veterans opinions that, even though Owlite is popular, a 5* plate shield do better for FSC (which is the hardest non shadow lair area). I didn't test it myself (my Plate Shield is sitting at 4* ...), but I can very well believe it.
But yes, a 5* owlite isn't going to break easily below Tiers 3 (except if you suffer a nourished fire of furnitures ...).
Sun, 11/27/2011 - 14:37
#13
Ops, that was actually a
Ops, that was actually a problem with my explanation. Pretty much every stratum will have some elemental in it. As you mentioned the things which do elemental damage in FSC are gunpuppies and fire. Those are probably the most annoying things in FSC, and are usually the things you need to block (although I personally do not like projectiles at all, they cause me alot of lag). Its really down to preference.
Tue, 11/29/2011 - 09:36
#14
so..
maybe i should get the plate shield, i really want to have more defense (or be capable of taking more damage), but, i think the best option for me is: a volcanic plate shield with a extra elemental resistance UV.
bump bump bump.