Spiral Knights - Vog Cub set ASI problem

Vog Cub set ASI problem

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Mon, 11/28/2011 - 02:41

Frederick

Okay, so i made my first vog cub piece just now... im planing to get full vog set, i was excited already cause i got the medium ASI bonus from the first piece.
I tried it out on training hall, and the result... was disappointing.
I know people have tested the Vog vs Skolver thing, and turns out vog hit more frequently.
But from what i see, there's almost no difference at all, it's either the ASI only gives mili-seconds boost or is it just me.

Should i just get a skolver? or getting full vog will make any difference?

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 03:19

Silphius

ASI is important because it

ASI is important because it allows less recovery time when you swing and need to get your shield up. It's very effective at saving your life.

The most practical examples of why ASI is important happened when I was fighting lumbers: I replaced some trinkets and an armor piece and went from ASI Maximum! to ASI medium. Normally I can hit them in the face, then raise my shield but this time my shield didn't raise quickly enough and I got smacked across the room. With ASI Maximum I can also use a flourish to quickly complete a 3-hit combo, which cancels Alpha Wolver attacks. Without it they bite me mid-combo. This was a recurring pattern, since then I never go out in T3 without Max ASI (though usually from trinkets/UV's, since I also own Skolver and Snarby).

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 03:13

Fauxhownd

People don't wear Vog for the

People don't wear Vog for the ASI, they wear it for the Elemental/Fire resistance, which are the two biggest sources of damage in Firestorm Citadel (the next being Shadow damage). If you're getting Vog Cub armor for the ASI, you're doing it for the wrong reasons. The SDI on Skolver trumps the ASI on Vog Cub easily.

ASI is more helpful if you use a slow weapon like Divine Avenger.

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 07:21

Fradow

I don't agree with Tammy's

I don't agree with Tammy's comment. I DO wear Vog Cub for the ASI, as there are very few sources of ASI, and it's the most useful bonus for slow swords (I use mainly Sealed Sword series). The Elemental/fire resistance are good, but I'll still wear a Vog Cub part in an ice undead level for example, just for the ASI.

As for how it is noticeable : if you use slow swords, just going from no ASI to ASI Medium is very noticeable, it let's you much more latitude to use the 2nd swing without getting hit. I am not into fast swords, but even when trying my Leviathan with ASI Maximum, I clearly felt the difference.

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 08:01

Juances

We tried a sealed high ASi vs

We tried a sealed high ASi vs a vanilla one, the speed of the combo didn't change much for my eyes, but the time to raise shield was way shorter.

On the other hand, comparing skolver vs vog bonuses.... with enough patience/money, ASi can become a valid UV, yet there isn't a "damage vs all families" UV so.....

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 09:26

Debianlinux

My experience

My experience with Vog ASI is that it is noticeable and useful strictly for the ASI. The most useful aspect being that attack chains can be sped up enough to disrupt monster attacks where, without the buff, it would be my attack getting interrupted instead.

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 09:29

Fraxur

I have one piece of Vog Cub

I have one piece of Vog Cub currently and I also don't find the ASI too significant although I am able to shield quicker with it. However, if you combine Swiftstrike Buckler (ASI High) with Vog Cub, which will either give you Ultra or Max ASI depending on if you have full Vog Cub or not, the ASI becomes really noticeable, with both 2-hit and 3-hit weapons.

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 10:35

Culture

Yup

I'm another knight that wears Vog for the ASI. If I am using heavy swords then it is a must. I'll usually do one Vog then use two ASI trinkets to get up to Maximum. The OP is correct though that ASI Medium is something that is hard to detect in the AH without using a timer. Against monsters, however, even this slight speed boost will make it easier to finish the combo to interrupt or shield after a swing to avoid getting hit. As a side note, ASI Max on the Cutter line is insanely fast and very fun even if somewhat inefficient in T3.

If I don't need Elemental/Fire and am not using heavy swords then Skolver is a nice alternative. It has higher DPS than Vog, you can read more about that here:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/16062#comment-91664

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 14:23

Theirillusion

i just had to comment

@tammy
So u mean you have volcanic salamander? its the same as vog but slime dmg instead of ASI. Wearing vog for defence only is more wrong than using it for ASI only. ideal gear for you would be volcanic demo. It has the same stats as, lower time to charge bombs, maybe even cheaper recipes too.

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 16:37

Dirigible

...

I wear a heavy plate helm.

I kind of need ASI, hoping to get Vog in the future (I'm at ash tail right now).

However, Skolver's damage bonus is too alluring...

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 17:48

#10

Kickthebucket

hmm i have 2 ASI trinkets

hmm i have 2 ASI trinkets (ASI) and for me i can't use my GF or DA without them anymore haha (then i'll try to spam the combo and fail every time) you'll find out with 2 pieces (or with 3 when you have ASI uv/trinket)

best example i can think of with ASI 2x medium you can combo a zombie with DA (or GF) without it the zombie will hit you first. also shield cancel becomes a bit faster (most of the increase happens between swings and the swing itself)

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 07:26

#11

Frederick

Ok, after getting pissed

Ok, after getting pissed about the ASI thing, i took a break from ce farming for a few days, i started playing again today and...
I was right, it's just me, i was able to 3-hit combo an alpha multiple times with my flourish before it could even start it's attack, very huge difference with Med ASI vs no ASI. I just don't see any difference when i wasn't attacking a monster :S

So.. yeah, problem solved, i'm still getting full vog for it's elemental and fire def, planning to get divine set and skolver set, and i know getting a full vog will make WAAAY more diference then it is right now. Even with medium ASI, one piece of vog really change my way of killing those nasty alpha wolvers when soloing :D

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 20:36

#12

Kickthebucket

if i can suggest one thing is

if i can suggest one thing is get yourself at least 1 ASI trinket. alltough a bit expensive it's worth it believe me (and makes you able to mix the vog set with divine without loosing ASI or givining max ASI with the full vog) like you said it's damn handy against alpha wolvers (now i know why i don't have any trouble with them hahaha)

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