Just because people were vendoring their 5 star trinkets to get rid of their stockpile of worthless primal sparks in a profitable way?
How is this a bugfix? People are going to have to run the same boring tiers 50 more times to get their more useful grim spark and forge spark trinkets. Is this what you intend?
Because it was not meant to be more profitable than any other token. It was unintentionally unbalanced, which meant it needed to be fixed to become intentionally balanced again.
I didn't know fairness was such a hard concept to understand.
awesomest: didn't i tell you to kill yourself due to your complete inability to read and comprehend
get crackin'
Because they're trinkets. They're basically extra stats. When you have near maxed stats on your gear and are looking to squeeze out more you're not terribly picky where more comes from. People make the same complaint about exponentially increasing costs for "minimal" stat increases. Look at how little five star gear gives over four star gear relative to how much more they cost over four star gear.
I wouldn't have minded them doing this to Primal Sparks (because lol Primal Sparks) but I think 100 is a bit excessive for Grim and Forge Sparks. Especially since these aren't the trinkets that are most sought after, either.
It's not unbalanced. The only reason primals are dropping like candy is because of the overload of freeze, beast, and grass levels. Each token has a defined stratum/level type to drop in, and the levels that drop forges (fire, shock, others) or grims (undead, poison, fiend, others) are lacking.
As for profit: How are the trinkets any more profitable than MATERIALS? You cannot trade trinkets, and selling them to NPCs only gives 10k crowns. You can easily sell five star materials for more than 15k, and they cost only 20 tokens.
Besides, I'd expect trinkets to be something you'd rather use than just sell to a NPC? If players are buying them simply to sell them, most of the unbalance resides on the trinket itself not being useful enough. A bit on cheap price or tokens being too common, but it'd be mostly the trinket's use.
@kakelgis
I'm not sure why you're even replying to that guy with rational and reasonable explanations when he just doesn't bother to read anything and can't even divide two numbers correctly.
Yeah...I miss Rudkin too.. http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Rudkin
While I can see why someone would get furious over a "bugfix" which cuts into his profit margin, belittling someone who has a dissenting opinon harms you more than the person who is calmly stating his opinion. Forum Rules stickied to the top of the section clearly states:
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Sometimes, people who sound like they are disagreeing with you are merely approaching the same idea at a different perspective. The idea that the token distribution is flawed goes hand-in-hand with the types of floors being generated via the mineral distribution generated on floor types and the Autosell feature. The game is still quite new and the developers are trying different methods of making the game more balanced. Some of those methods are made of win while others simply flop.
im tier 3 been to the core multiple times etc and I still only have 7 forge sparks....wtf is this? how can I even obtain the fire resist trinket now?
I'm totally wanting Rudkin's useful trinkets. Bomb related trinkets would make them more useful to me.
well said for someone who doesn't actually read the forums!!!
and just because changes are made doesn't mean they shouldn't be reverted hth
If people aren't reading the forums, how can they reply?
Who knows what the developers were thinking when engineering changes. The best that we can do is discuss the changes. The developers are fairly active with implementing changes on a daily basis. They are much more responsive to player base opinions and tender support far more expediently than any other online company. With enough complaints, maybe they will revert some changes.
My only regret is that I did not buy a trinket with my primal sparks last night when I hit the 40 mark.
Publicly admitting what you were using the trinkets for in the first place, I wonder why they made the bugfix in the first place.
Teehee.
Well honestly, why use trinkets? They offer small bonuses, which is fine, but you can't wear one for free. You need to spend fully 50 energy more than your maximum ME for the right to use one for 30 days. In my opinion they don't offer enough to make them worth that price. However crowns are something that everyone needs to buy recipes, so if you can get trinkets easily and vend them because you get tons of tokens, you're up crowns. No energy wasted, possibly big defense (or offense, or both) gained.
I liked it better when 40 tokens were worth 30k.
Also, some trinkets are incredibly awesome. Others like all you can buy with primal sparks are completely useless.
@Choja
My guildmates were using those, while I was aiming to get my resist sets.
The change hurt people like me hunting for grim sparks, while the aforementioned group will just grind harder.
Try thinking before you talk out of your ass for a change. Oh, wait, you won't ever do it.
If the intent was to stop people from just vendoring them for money it seems like the most elegant solution would be to reduce the amount they vendor for, rather than increasing the token cost. I would imagine that Three Rings could figure that out on their own, and you are just ascribing a motive that is easy to complain about.
@tiwddles
Just a tip, you aren't going to get many people on your side if you're insulting them.
So, let me ask this to the devs: Why should I bother spending 100 tokens in a crappy five star trinket, that offers either low defense, or low resist (TWO trinkets are as much as a single five star armor piece, resist wise. Defense doens't even get near), that quite literally will benefit me in no way at all (flawed resist system - Any resist lower than the tier's cap is 90% worthless, and once the cap is reached getting any more resist does nothing. And the cap is easily reached with five star sets and any shield. (on T3 - lower tiers can be reached with 3-4 star equipment even) No variants, no trinkets needed), when I could get a five star material for what, 20 tokens, and sell for 10k to 30k crowns, being able to profit way more and even get enough to buy a premade five star normal armor from a player? (if lucky, it'd be enough for TWO premade pieces of five star equipment)
This change was pretty damn stupid. If the trinkets were actually worth it, it wouldn't even be such a problem, but when status resistance is so flawed, and defenses on it are so minimal, there's no point.