Spiral Knights - Looking for people to run Roarmulus Twins

Looking for people to run Roarmulus Twins

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Thu, 12/01/2011 - 02:53

Funkyassault

Hello,

I am fairly new, and would like an party to run Roarmulus twins with. It is only for an pulsar so I will be done pretty quick.
From what I have seen and heard.. You need alot of tactics for them and there are mainly people like me running there.
So it would be appreciated if someone could learn me the tips and tricks. I already watched several youtube vids, but I cant seem to handle both the gun puppies and the fact that I need to defend my party and myself.
I am currently wearing, dusker cap + coat, horned owlite shield, sealed sword/calibur and cryotech alchemer.

IGN is Funkyassault, add me if you like :)

Thu, 12/01/2011 - 05:29

Ultrasuperknight

well i can do it with ya

but one thing i am low on mist so i can do it only from basil so if u can do the depth before basil by yourself and inv me in basil it will be great i will like to help and got only 39 mist

Thu, 12/01/2011 - 07:37

Funkyassault

Lagging :-/

Just did my 2nd roarmulus run.
Again just as yesterday I was lagging quite alot, which doesnt make surviving easy and makes me very frustrated :P
Every time I tried to attack he was using charge instead of an swing.
I am in Europe, maybe that is the problem?

Thu, 12/01/2011 - 12:21

Vtmoon

I'll help

add me in-game, vtmoon, always happy to help, very fun fight.

Thu, 12/01/2011 - 13:25

Funkyassault

Last run tommorow

Ah I have done 3 runs today. All succeeded.
So 1 more run and I have my pulsar, will add you both, thx

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 12:53

Bluescreenofdeath

Well aside from lag the twins

Well aside from lag the twins are one of the easiest boss fights (even solo) once you get the hang of it. An elemental sword will make the fight go faster, but that Cal is fine (especially if you time the charges right). The Owlite Shield line is perfect for that fight as well. I'm not really that interested in running the Twins right now, but I wouldn't mind going ahead and picking up a catalyzer.

Hopefully your lag situation will get better in the near future as OOO has mentioned plans for Euro servers.

Tactics are pretty simple. You pick 1, and only 1, person to hit the switches and everybody else pops scuttle bots (after they are freed by the twin's rockets). The switch man will set it up so that the twins suffer from friendly fire. Everybody else watches for the set up so that they can have their weapons charged when the rocket struck twin lowers its head and the big flashy yellow arrow points at him.

Some people are picky about little things like shooting the switch before stepping onto the party button, but I find that it doesn't make a huge difference in the long run. My biggest Twin pet-peeve is other people triggering the switches when its not their job. If you have voice com you can get away with being more fluid with your rolls, but in a PUG communicating by typing this will slow things down and get people killed.

Its been a while since I ran ICMF. Would be happy to hit a few runs sometime though, just send me an invite if you see me (preferable from the terminal). I don't claim to be the best/fastest switch operator (not even close), but so far I have not failed since my first attempt *knocks on wood* & I did most of my runs solo (after I ran it in a party and figured it out).

IGN: Dracuva

ICMF Loadout:
Vog Cub Cap 5* L10
Vog Cub Coat 5* L10
Grey Owlite Shield 5* L5
Elite Quick Strike Module 5* // Elite Slash Module 5*
Elite Sword Focus Module 5*
Ascended Calibur 4* L10, UV CTR: Low // Silent Nightblade 4* L8, UV Construct: Med
Voltedge 5* L7, UV CTR Med
Gigawatt Pulsar 4* L10 // Valiance 5* L10
Shivermist Buster *5 L10, UV CTR: Very High

Thu, 12/01/2011 - 15:22

Slayzz

I would be happy to do twins

I would be happy to do twins with a new player: IGN- Slayzz
Btw, @bluescreenofdeath is your alternate Fallout?

Thu, 12/01/2011 - 15:46

Funkyassault

question about gear

I also have a question about gear, what I want to do is:
Dusker cap - Vog cub cap
Dusker coat - Vog cub coat
Tempered calibur - leviathan blade, I am not sure about is, but I do like the charge attack alot.
Sealed sword x2 - DA and GF, Which one should I get first?
Pulsar - Polaris
Horned owlite shield - Grey owlite shield
I don't feel like upgrading my cryotech, I don't even use it actually.
Is the path I want to choose good? Is there gear I should add to the list?
Already thx a bunch!

Thu, 12/01/2011 - 17:47

Vtmoon

All those choices are pretty

All those choices are pretty solid. I would do DA first then GF.

Thu, 12/01/2011 - 17:55

Mikalmirkas

I'd gladly join you on your

I'd gladly join you on your crusade. I need some Bark Modules as well. :D
Also,
GF/Acheron first if you're farming JK really often or DA

Thu, 12/01/2011 - 18:57

#10

Bluescreenofdeath

@Slayzz, No I'm not Fallout.

@Slayzz, No I'm not Fallout. I'll take that compliment though.

@Funkyassault

Yeah, those all look like sound choices. Vog makes sense for running FSC & is still fine for JK, also Skolver is doable for cheaper if you have all the recipes to get to Vog. DA vs GF I would go DA first if it were me as I think it will get more mileage (also FSC), but like Mikal said GF is a good choice for JK. *Note* that the charge time on the Faust is much shorter than the GF causing some people to prefer the 4* version. The other way to decide is to just go with which every you find the recipe for at Basil first. Polaris is a powerful gun, but needs to be used sparing especially in groups. Grey Owlite is a great choice for FSC and many other places. For shields I switch between Grey Owlite Shield (Elemental/Normal/Fire/Shock), Dark Thorn Shield (Piercing/Normal/Sword DMG+), and Sinister Skelly Shield (Shadow/Normal/Poison/Freeze) to cover all my damage types. The Calibur line is great. I love to combo the charge attack with a freeze bomb, because you can get in all three hits for huge damage. I would not make the upgrading from Ascended to Levi a high priority though. The damage increase is very minor & you will suffer a damage loss & CTR loss until you get it heated back up (I am still putting off upgrading mine until all my other 5* gear is fully heated). Cryotech is not a bad gun, but Nova Driver is the direction I think I would take if I were to build an Alchemer (better damage, no status, but also no weakness to certain themes). Alchemers are much more party friendly then Polaris. One other elemental gun thought is that the AP may be going to pure elemental in the not so distant future.

Thu, 12/01/2011 - 21:01

#11

Slayzz

Great, yet another Vog/DA

Great, yet another Vog/DA wielder. Don't get me wrong, it is a good set. It's just so average.
Think about it; Polaris- average
DA- everyone has it
GF- no complaints here; I actually think this one is cool
Vog set- Super average
Grey owlite- everybody has it
Absolutely no variety. This is because it is the best FSC set though.
Despite looking like yet another dull 5* player, excellent set.
Idk y, but I have problems with average things. I like to be unique, to such an extreme that I would not accept an avenger for free to use. (I would sell it).
That's just my opinion. You can do whatever you want though. It is not up to me what others make. :) just kno that you wont die from fire in FSC. Good luck crafting! ( with those CE prices)

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 03:07

#12

Funkyassault

Actually

Actually my gear is still 3 star, but I am thinking ahead.
Also slayzz, if you have an problem with my set please give some other recommendations, but if this is really the bes thing out there why switch?
Btw that last sentence, should I take it offensive?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 06:21

#13

Sinistermackz

Add me plz!

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 09:36

#14

Funkyassault

Doesn't apply anymore. Did my

Doesn't apply anymore.
Did my last run today :)

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 12:13

#15

Bluescreenofdeath

lol, Slayzz's last sentence

lol, Slayzz's last sentence is ignorant. CE prices have been dropping for a few days & where on their way down further when he posted that (thank you featured items at the AH).

There just aren't enough good gear options out there for us all to be pretty little snowflakes. If you want to look different, that's what the costume slots & accessories are for...

I personally like to try every weapon type I can to see what I like (I have been through at least some version of most of the 2* or 3* swords and many of the the guns). That takes either a lot of time and patience or cash though.

I guess you (Funky) got the hang of it pretty quick then. Hit me for FSC runs sometime then (or any other boss run, or arena heavy run if we get another good gate).

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 12:29

#16

Funkyassault

I have 3 star gear now with

I have 3 star gear now with 20k left after crafting my puslar to gigawatt pulsar.
I am currently doing JK runs on mist because CE doesnt seem very profitable.
Also FSC or heavy arena's would be suicide I think.
I am also thinking about getting an barbarous thorn blade + shield (mainly shield for the attack bonus)
Thinking ahead is on of the things I like but if anyone has gear recommendations I should really add asap.
Today I also bought an extra weapon slot, so now I have as weapons: sealed sword + tempered calibur + gigawatt pulsar.
Also, I still walk with my mouse, while lots of players here and IG are saying WASD is better.
I tried WASD but it felt unnatural. All help you got for me is greatly appreciated!

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 12:43

#17

Bluescreenofdeath

Especially with more weapon

Especially with more weapon slots, I highly recommend you grab that BTB & BTS. The BTB is one of the best swords & is a total game changer for dealing with devilites (wolvers too). It is good to have a sword for each type of damage. Then you can switch them out as needed for whatever run you are doing.

Have you started on Weapon modules yet? While you still have 3* gear is a great time to hit up T2 PvP. Just remember to unflag for PvP any loadouts with 4* or 5* gear. Weapon Modules are great & make a big difference. I went ahead & picked up Elite (5*) weapon modules before even having any other 5* gear. This is also great, because you can work on it after you are finished with your mist. Really recommend Elite Sword Focus Module (CTR Med). Slash or Quickstrike, depends on the type of sword you like. For heavy swords I would recommend Quick Strike. For Calibur & fast swords I would go with Slash.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 12:59

#18

Funkyassault

Already into pvp

Ah so you suggest going back to tier 1 and do some snarby runs?
I already have an snarble barb so I only need to get the bristling then?
Should I upgrade them to 3 star right away or focus on my other gear first?
If so, which order of upgrading whould you suggest?

I am also already in pvp, my highest dmg so far was 7,8k with my sealed.
I am totally in love with pvp, can not get enough of it.
Only stupid thing I have done is getting an bombheadmask with my 150 coins :-/
Also I havent really looked into module's, are they good for pvp too, and should I give my weapons or the modules first priority?
Thanks again for the great help!

Edit: I make an average of 6k per JK run now I think, so how long would it take to get all that gear to 4 stars?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 14:18

#19

Bluescreenofdeath

Snarby runs for Bristling

Snarby runs for Bristling Buckler, yes. You will knock that out super quick. Just join a random T1 party, immediately split solo, and fly through it.

If you love T2 PvP I recommend upgrading your Snarble Barb to Twisted Snarble Barb.

The switch from 3* to 4* is sticky when considering PvP. The most competitive T2 PvP gear is fully heated 3*. However, it is a bit of a waste to heat 3* gear past the level 5 needed to upgrade to 4* (at least as far as PvE is conscerned). For PvP I recommend you milk your time at 3* until you have enough mod calibrators to make a few Elite weapon modules. Weapon modules are absolutely awesome for all PvE and for T3 PvP, but they will not help you in T2 PvP (they are 4* & 5* only = T3). Switching from T2 to T3 PvP is a bit rough. It takes much more time to get 4* fully heated, upgraded to 5* gear, then fully heated again.

For PvE, getting all of your gear up to 4* is a pretty high priority. I would start with your favorite primary weapon and shield to 4*, then get your helm/armor to 4*, then get at least 2 weapon modules to 5*. Work in getting your other weapons to 4*. Then the switch from 4* to 5* really depends on the individual item & what you want to run.

Unfortunately PvE and T2 PvP priorities are just not the same. PvE and T3 PvP priorities are the same, it just takes way longer to have competitive T3 gear (yes skill can easily make up for not having the best gear though).

Not sure how long this will take you running JK on mist. I made/make most of my crowns mist crafting gear & selling it at AH. 4* gear is not that bad to get, but the next jump to 5* feels like much, much more work.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 14:30

#20

Funkyassault

I like pvp, but I find pve

I like pvp, but I find pve more important.
Any good moneymakers? Maybe something merchable in AH?
Also.. I am getting confused..

Which of my gear should get priority in crafting?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 14:59

#21

Bluescreenofdeath

OK, sorry. I think I have a

OK, sorry. I think I have a habit of making my posts too long. PvE will see a big performance boost when you make the switch from 3* to 4*.

I would upgrade to 4* in this order:

1. Your favorite primary weapon. If this weapon is non-pure-normal, then the next priority would be to upgrade another non-pure normal.

For example if you upgrade your Sealed to Avenger first, you will be weak to Gremlins and Beasts. So, your next move should be a 4* Piercing sword (Dark Thorn Blade or Grand Flourish) or a 4* Shadow Sword (Faust or Nightblade). *edit* If you have at least 2 damage types covered then you will be at least neutral to all enemies.

2. Your Shield.

If you want to get into FSC as fast as possible go Wise Owlite Shield. If you would like more protection for JK runs go Dark Thorn Shield. If T2 fiends are kicking your tale get a Sinister Skelly Shield.

3 & 4. Helmet & Armor.

Doesn't matter which goes first, but the bump up in Normal Protection from Dusker to Ash Tail will help everywhere in T2/T1.

5. Weapon Modules

I would work on turning those Mod Calibrators you earned in T2 PvP into Elite Weapon Modules once all of your other gear is at 4*. I would get CTR first then either DMG+ or ASI +.

6. Other Weapons

It would be good to have at least 4* versions of swords to cover each damage type (Elemental, Piercing, & Shadow).

oops... tooo long again sry.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 15:02

#22

Bluescreenofdeath

The only other thing I might

The only other thing I might add to that list is that you may want to upgrade your Kilowatt Pulsar to Gigawatt Pulsar after your shield, but before your your helm/armor.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:36

#23

Funkyassault

Long answers are super!

No this one helps ALOT! :)

1. I am thinking about upgrading my sealed to faust first because I'll be doing quite some JK runs I think?
After that I am leaning to upgrade my other sealed to Avenger, just so I can play some pvp with my snarbie for the tim being.

2. I want to do quite some JK runs, so I should get the bristling. But from what I have seen my Owlite does good enough. All my JK runs succeeded with 3+ persons, and I almost never have to revive.

3. Pulsar would be number 3 then. Tried it in pvp, the stun is good :)

4+5. Would be ash tail coat + cap what will also be good then.

6. Will do, I get an average of 40 coins a days, so that is no problem ;)

7. That would be upgrading my twisted snarble barb to dark thorn blade + temp. calibur to ascended.

8. Would be upgrading my 2nd shield...

So I would like to know what your personal preference for the shield would be? Which upgrade 1st?
Also when I get my bristling, I assume I should upgrade it to twisted targe immediately?
PS. Are there any more weapons I should get? If I have all the weapons I am planning to get to 5 star it would be: Ascended/Leviathan (not sure about the five star upgrade) , Barbarous Thornblade, GF, DA. Does this cover enough?

Btw I like the long answers, they provide me alot of information and you already helped me loads!

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:46

#24

Slayzz

@Bluescreenofdeath thank you

@Bluescreenofdeath thank you very much for the CE price correction. I unfortunately am not able to play SK every day (I would like to though) so the forums help. Glad to know CE prices are dropping. :)
@Funkyassault
I didn't mean to be harsh at all. But my recommendation is that you get a set with fire resistance, normal defense, and bonuses possibly. The set I would recommend to you would be:
Weapons- Combuster/DA/GF (Combuster is excellent for single enemies, while DA and GF are great for mobs. If you like, you could get a 2 sword and 2 gun set. Best weaps for 3 slot:
Combuster (good vs arenas, jelly king, and Roarmulus).
Final Flourish/BTB (great for wolvers, devilities, and PvP)
Hail Driver (I suggest getting CTR for this, because the charge is excellent against everything but wolvers) OR Argent. (Vana exclusively, unless the damage patch comes into play)
Armor: Vog Cub Coat
Helm: Justifier Hat
Shield: Volcanic Plate Shield/Grey owlite

This set will allow you do deal great damage vs. Any boss, and you can dominate in PvP. Its not generic either.
I am only making this as a suggestion. In general, just get what fits your playstyle the most. When you are a nublet, you can try various paths before deciding (like if you want to be a bomber/gunner/swordie).
The setup here will allow you to do excellent damage against every boss.
Edit: Good to know someone else uses mouse to control. WASD keys are so awkward, and led to many deaths before I switched. Depends on the persons playstyle.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:39

#25

Bluescreenofdeath

Shield. I personally went all

Shield. I personally went all three (Owl, Snarb & Skelly). Honestly fighting the JK has been nerfed to the point that any 4* shield with Normal protection is fine for JK. You have a Horned Owlite Shield and a Sealed Sword, so I assume that you can do JK runs just fine as is. So, I think it sounds like you should go ahead & go Wise Owlite Shield next. That will set you up to run FSC sooner. Slayzz mentioned the Volcanic Plate Shield. This is another good option for FSC. The VPS is probably the best shield for taking Vanaduke mace shots (Normal + Stun damage), while the Grey Owlite Shield is probably the best all around FSC shield (opinions will vary, with some preferring the Crest of Almire). The duke's mace is predictable and easy to avoid and the same goes for zombie attacks, so I prefer the Owlite for FSC. The Barbarous Thorn Shield (BTS) is still a great investment if for no other reason then the Sword Damage Medium buff it gives and you are going to want it if you plan on doing general T3 runs (or if stratum 5 before FSC ever ends up Beast themed).

Short version of all of that is shield-wise, I would get the Wise Owlite Shield first then after you have the rest of your 4* gear squared away you probably will still want a Piercing Shield (BTS) and a Shadow Shield (Skelly or Almire) for general T3 work.

Like Slayzz mentioned trying things out at the 2* & 3* level is a great way to find out what you like. I am just about the lone voice for this, but I love my Valiance. I solo a ton & I prefer it for gremlin and beast strata when I am low on health and want to kite dodgy enemies that are strong to elemental damage. My general go anywhere loadout is Dark Thorn Blade, Silent Nightblade, Voltedge, Valiance. I my replace my brandishes with DA/GF in the not so distant future though (just need GF recipe, oh and more cash). For FSC the Blitz Needle is a powerful gun for taking down the duke & trojans. It is a bit unwieldy and dangerous though as you are stuck in place while firing. The Polaris is a great tool for FSC (taking out spike wheel launchers), and perfect for taking out turrets, just please don't be one of those people that thinks it is a great primary weapon while in a party.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 09:17

#26

Funkyassault

Hmm then I'll go with

Hmm then I'll go with upgrading that bts to it's 3 star form.
I think with the sealed sword I'll upgrade it with the first recipe I get.
And about the pulsar, I am not such a gun user so it will only be a last resort for me, I will first try the 360 degrees knockback of the cali line to survive. I assume the pulsar isn't an great party gun because of the knockback?
That is why I am also thinking of getting an antigua for fsc and upgrade it to AP.
Which one would be better on the long run? I heard AP is only good for vanaduke?
I'll wait with getting an skelly shield as all this gear already will cost me much haha.
Thank you again for the helpfull posts.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:01

#27

Funkyassault

Calculations

Did some calculations today and I made an calculation that it would take me around 62 days to get all my gear to 4 star.
For 5 star it would take me around 150 days, if this an good calculation.
Will post it here: (I used 100 CE as 7k and 1 JK run as 6k per run, correct me if the numbers dont match :))
I have 9 items.
Crafting 1 item is 10k for the recipe and 400 energy, 2,5k and the materials, is equal to: 10k + 28k + 2,5k + 0,5k= 41
I have 9 items so: 9 x 41 = 369k crowns
Lets say I do 1 JK run a day only on mist because with the current CE price, running on CE isn't profitable.
So 369 : 6 = 61,5 days so lets say 62 days.
The costs for the 5 star recipes is 1,5 the price of the 4 star so that would make it around 150 days for the 5 star gear.
That is 210 days for getting the best gear.
For getting end game gear that isn't that long. Did I miscalculate? If so, please tell me what went wrong :)

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 17:30

#28

Vtmoon

if you are running jelly King

if you are running jelly King you will make a profit, it cost 70-80 (depending if you do JK, if he is hard I would skip him) and you will enough crowns to buy more CE than the run cost.

I started playing like 3 weeks ago, and I already have six 5 stars items just from doing that, I didn't have to buy Energy for dollars.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 21:15

#29

Bluescreenofdeath

Will post a longer reply

Will post a longer reply later to expand on my Polaris comment, but your math is off for 4* cost. Also, you are likely not going to have time to play every night. So, time your crafting to happen on the nights that you don't have time to do a JK run, but can spare less then 10 minutes to sign on and craft an item using that 100 mist energy.

4* recipe is 10k cr (from Basil).

So that puts your calculation at:

Recipe: 10 k cr
Energy: 3 * 7 k cr = 21k cr (+ 100 mist)
Craft fee: 2.5 k cr
Mats: ??? this could be 0 or it could be ~1 k cr I suggest using Tokens at Brinks for mats that you don't have

10 + 21 + 2.5 + 1 = 34.5 k cr

Also, make friends and join at the Terminal as much as possible. Profits are way better in the second half of each tier. If you just want profit (after you get your JK prize gear) arenas (especially stratum 4) will get you better profit then JK runs (providing you do all 3 rounds). That is dependent on a nice gate showing up. There was a gate one time not too long ago that had 4 arenas in T2. That thing was a gold mine.

JK Buddy Run thread:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/7285

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 23:16

#30

Bluescreenofdeath

AP & Polaris thoughts

Argent Peacemaker:
The AP is for the most part only useful for FSC in its current form. However, with the right gear it can be pretty bloody powerful everywhere. My first trip to the core I ran with a couple of gunslingers that both had basically this setup: Nameless set (Gun ASI Very High) + 2x Elite Trueshot Modules (Gun DMG Very High) plus fully heated AP's. They just wrecked enemies like crazy regardless of whether they were strong weak or neutral to Elemental/Piercing. The slight knockback of the AP + a 6 rnd magazine + ASI VH + DMG VH was a brutal combo that kept enemies well away until dead. I have a Sliversix and an AP recipe that I had planed finishing up as a FSC solo gun. The AP is good for kiting Vanaduke & keeping up a constant circle-strafe. The Blitz Needle will take care of the duke faster, but it is high risk / high reward and better suited for party work with a Shivermist Buster (unless you are really good with it). I'm kinda waiting to see what happens with the AP. If it goes pure Elemental soon, then I will likely leave my Gigawatt Pulsar how it is for a while & make the AP my main Elemental sidearm.

Polaris:
The Good: The expanded shot does great damage (equal to Nova Driver damage) and is huge with a good splash damage area of effect. It is really like shooting little bombs. This effect makes it a great tool for taking out spike wheel launchers in FSC by firing behind them. The huge knockback can be great for cornering mobs. The shock damage will spread through tightly packed mobs really well. The Polaris is pretty much the best gun for taking out turrets (an argument could be made for the Nova Driver & maybe the Storm Driver). It is particularly handy for dealing with rocketpuppies because the shock status can interrupt them from firing while you are killing them. Shock can be a handy status to inflict from a distance.

The Bad: You will notice that much of the Good list is also the bad. Swordsmen (& well everybody really) like to pack mobs of enemies as tightly together as possible so that attacks can hit as many as possible each time and they are safer and more predictable this way. The huge knockback of the Polaris has a bad habit of scattering enemies all over (real pain on arenas where you are trying to circle-strafe a huge mob like the last wave of round 3). The other drawback to the knockback is that unless you have them cornered the knockback of the first shot can send them out of range of the next shot thus really hurting your DPS. Its shots have to travel 1/2 of their maximum range before expanding & do less damage and knockback before expanding. Engaging a mob suffering from shock status with a sword is not a smart thing to do. A shocked mob can spread that same shock to player who come in close proximity and shock status will interrupt attacks. So, a swordsman with his sword charged who is moving in a mob may suddenly find himself shocked by that same mob and his charge attack stopped because a teammate is spamming the mob with a shock status gun (not to mention the Polaris can send them flying into while attacking). The final point I will mention is the visual obstruction caused by Polaris spamming. It can be pretty much totally blinding to find yourself in the middle of a Polaris storm (shield and run away).

The Ugly: Wannabe-gunslingers who think the Polaris is a great primary weapon to use while partying with swordsmen.

That said I often carry a Gigawatt Pulsar and have found it very useful.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 00:48

#31

Bluescreenofdeath

You asked earlier about moneymakers [for crafting and selling].

Generally profit is not my biggest concern when crafting. I recommend that you craft to sell whatever items you are the most interested in obtaining good UVs on. I typically will craft items up to 3* then sell. This way I get 2 rolls for UV and still turn enough profit to do it again, because when crafting the 3* item I am doing so by spending 100 mist + 100 CE. I will often re-roll crappy UVs obtained on 2* items even though I know it will likely end up a 3* with no UV (cheaper then a visit to Punch).

The downside to crafting what you want a UV on is popular items sell for less. This is because everybody is rage-crafting popular items for UV so there are many more of them on the market. Odd-ball items that are often not even very good often sell for more crowns at auction than better items just do to supply and demand.

It is good to craft several different items so that you an use as many personally harvested mats as possible, but the AH is still a great place to pick up cheap mats. I would go ahead and spend tokens at Brinks for expensive mats. Defensive and status trinkets just aren't as useful as Weapon Modules anyway. Not that Brinks trinkets are totally worthless. From what I have read it looks like the status resistance trinkets are a bit more useful then the defensive trinkets. Fire resistance trinkets to counter Fang of Vog (FoV) charges or Curse resistance trinkets to counter GF charges could be useful for shortening the duration of adverse effects.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 01:15

#32

Fehzor

I'm GREAT at Roarmuluses. IGN>FEHZOR

Also, don't get vog. You'll be boring, and that isn't good. Sometimes I wonder what people think about me when I join their party dressed in merc helm+chaos cloak+scarlet shield, and whip out sudaruska and heavy deconstructor. Other times I know they think I'm a boss.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 03:27

#33

Funkyassault

Thanks for the replies

First of all, if anyone wants to add me IG to give me some advice, highly appreciated!

@VTmoon I think I have added you on my friendslist, so I think I'll have an conversation with you about that. Already that amount of 5 star gear is amazing. This week I made around 50/60k with mostly full JK runs 9-17 and some roarmulus twins runs.

@Bluescreen
If your calculations are right it will still cost me a little less than 40k per 4 star which takes pretty long to do, right?
So I think I'll pick up an antigua along the way or will polaris will get me about bad situations in FSC?
Also, the moneymaking, do I really start going for good UV's?
Also if I need to pick up those weapon modules, then the total cost will all be very expensive.
I forgot to add the cost of weapon slots in my calculations which will also be quite some crowns.
I like to be prepared, but could anyone give me the exact number of profit when doing second half of JK tier with JK?

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 09:18

#34

Bluescreenofdeath

Yeah, it will still take you

Yeah, it will still take you a while. Another thing to remember is you can buy & sell recipes to scrap a few more crowns out of a run. The recipes don't give much profit and the 10% AH fee eats up a lot of it (personal sales are better, but more of a pain). Money is money though.

Moneymaking, you don't have to every look for UV, but crafting your self is cheaper then buying UVs. It is a handy thing to do with mist that you are not going to use in the clockworks.

You don't have to have weapon modules, trinkets slots, or extra weapon slots. They are just very nice to have. Really you can do pretty much anything in this game with any 5* Normal Armor/Helm, any 5* Normal shield, a Levi, & a Valiance (but there is better suited gear to be had for most situations).

Weapon & trinket slots are a once a month expense & really not that bad. I staggered mine, so as not to have to rebuy them all at the exact time each month. Either buy them using your mist on off nights or buy them (at lower then vender price) from other knights at or outside of the AH (Heaven 1 works best).

Here is a stats thread to get an idea on depth vs profit. Look at the numbers for depths 9-12 and compare that to 14-17 to see what I am talking about:

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/34229

http://www.tobypinder.com/site/spiralknights/crownData/filter/all/all

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 09:20

#35

Bluescreenofdeath

Question?

Do you typically run solo? in random parties? or with friends or guild-mates?

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 10:28

#36

Funkyassault

I already want weapon slots

About the weapon slots, I will definitely use them. I like to have dmg for every type.
Today I crafed my snarble barb to twisted snarble barb, now I need to find an twisted targe recipe for my bristling.
About the trinkets, I think I'll pass on them till I have my gear up to 4 stars.

About the recipes, I tempted to try it alot of time but I dont know if I would make profit so I passed on them.

I normally run with friend or guildmates, I try to join when they are at the halfway point, 13 depth I think.
Sometimes I join randoms just to increase my friend list.
I add everyone who cleared an whole jk with me + JK himself, that shows they can survive :)

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 20:04

#37

Bluescreenofdeath

Yeah get your all 4* before

Yeah get your all 4* before crafting your mod calibrators into Weapon Modules. If you are playing with 2 or 3 swords, then one Weapon Module can buff them all. I think CTR is the most noticeably handy one.

The Sticky at the top of the Bazaar forum section is a handy place for buying and selling recipes:

Sticky: Buying Recipes Thread
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/2021

Not really a ton of profit to be made this way but a couple extra k cr per run will add up.

I asked about solo vs party, because solo is where the Calibur line really shines. If you are planning on crafting swords to cover all of your damage types and you mostly run in parties, then it might not be worth your time to upgrade your Cal. I use mine solo very often. I also love to combo my Cal with my Shivermist, because frozen enemies can be hit 2-3 times with the charge attack for massive damage. The other thing the Cal is nice for is the first phase of fighting Vanaduke, because he is slightly weak to Normal damage & you can get charge hits on him in phase 1 (of 5). Other then these cases the Calibur is not really as good as the specific damage swords. Well one other place is charge attacking gunpuppies with the Cal is pretty much the fastest way to for me to kill them. Solo or Duo I can one charge kill gunpuppies with my Ascended Calibur 4* (all depths) while my Voltedge 5* needs an extra hit after the charge. Might be better once I complete the heat on my Voltedge. Also, might not be an issue once I switch to DA which has a stronger charge then the Voltedge. Its just going to be a pain to get decent CTR UV on my sealed swords.

Sorry, I started to ramble. Point is if you are using extra weapon slots and have Piece, Elemental, and Shadow covered, than you may not need the Cal. Then again if you upgrade the Cal first, than you are covered everywhere until you get the others made.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 01:39

#38

Funkyassault

I was thinking about

I was thinking about upgrading my sealed first.
I actually use the cali just for the knockback.
All the questions I had are answered, thanks :)

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 09:14

#39

Funkyassault

I seem to have another

I seem to have another question :P
Today I got my 2nd sealed sword, and I am not thinking of getting an antigua yet, maybe when they change it to full elemental dmg. So I am wondering if I should skip the boss fight from now on.
Also I joined on the terminal level today, and all the recipes were out of stock, why did this happen?

Wed, 12/07/2011 - 10:35

#40

Fradow

If you need the token, of

If you need the token, of course don't skip the boss level. With a good party, it's not that hard. If you do have all the token items you need though, it's not worth doing the boss level, as the payout is bad.

As for recipes at terminal, that's a mechanism to prevent exploit from people joining just to buy recipes and reselling them at AH. You need to join at least 2 levels before the terminal to be able to buy recipes (if you join at the level before you'll not be able to buy any). There is also another limit : you can't buy twice the same recipe the same day, even if you find it on different basils.

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