Why theres not Sleep weapons
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:55
Its not a suggestion, im just wondering why. I recently suggested a tranquilizer gun and a sleeping gas vaporizer, but then i started wondering why they havent made any sleep weapon. Does it unbalance the game or what.
P.D. Dont come saying that sleep is useless or something like that, plz just tell me if theres any reason why there are no sleep weapons other than because you dont like it.
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:15
#2
Sleep+Poison=Nuff' Said.
Sleep will make them Un-Able to Move. Add Poison to the Mix & instead of being Immobile & Healing, they'll be Immobile & Having their life Drained. It would be even more Over-Powered than a Curse Vaporizer.
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:17
#3
Sorry man im not a native
Sorry man im not a native english speaker so im having some trouble trying to understand ur comment. What you are saying is that they couldn find a way to put sleep in use besides making it into a vial?
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:20
#4
Yup.
If someone had a Sleep Vaporizer & a Poison Vaporizer, they could Swift through the game like it was nothing.
Sleep, Poison, Sleep, Poison, Sleep, Poison, etc...
Keep doing a Pattern like that, & it would basically make them Un-Able to even React.
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 02:05
#5
something like that could
something like that could also happen with an ice vaporizer, just keep freezing and the monster wouldnt be able to do nothing. The only difference is that monsters still can attack but just in one direction so add stun to the mix to make them atack more slowly and it would go something like what you described. Ice, Stun, Ice, Stun, Vanilla, Ice, Ice, Baby. Plus in the wiki its said that monsters can be woke up by hittin them with something that makes them flinch (I dont really know what those that mean but anyway) so i guess sleep victims arent completely helpless.
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 02:59
#6
ive been put to sleep once in
ive been put to sleep once in the wildwoods... it was kinda terrifying..
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 04:28
#7
We already have sleep in vial
We already have sleep in vial form. You can see its effect clearly.
Last time I checked, poison was a debuff not a damage source. secondly, sleep heals the damage you're theorizing this combo would do and any kind of damage cancels sleeping. This combo is already available anyway by combining the shivermist buster with either Ash of Agni or Voltaic Tempest.
To OP: sleep was in the game at some point but was removed. Who knows why, maybe the healing was exploitable or used to grief players in your team. Maybe the effect was too similar to freeze.
Making a suggestion, even a great one doesn't mean you'll get a response from the developers though. Usually you'll only see if they like it months later if they include it in a patch or when they rarely respond to your thread.
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 09:58
#8
^Poison cancels out healing.
^Poison cancels out healing. You can't heal when your poisoned, that's why it's so good for jelly king.
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:37
#9
What he means by doing the
What he means by doing the combo with sleep and poison is to make them sleep and unable to heal while someone else attacks. Hes not telling that poison heals. Not any kind of damage cancels sleeping as far as i know, but in the wiki they say that some kinds of damage do. Ash of Agni and Shiver Mist cancels each other so its no possible to do that.
I already made a suggestion but since many people dont like sleep i didnt get much support, but i still think that those who want to try it out must have the opportunity to do it. Besides the similarities with freeze, i dont see why theres no other way to cause sleep but in vials.
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:51
#10
suggestion thread!!
i know i know. belongs in suggestion thread. but what about a 3rd sword of the sealed sword line that added poison on first swing and sleep on second swing :)
charge attack could be 2 bullets that add sleep and poison (bullets/arrows, whatever u call it.)
edit:
or to keep from doing a poison sleep loop (as stated above) normal hit causes sleep/poison charge attack adds the other element. it would bu super fun to play around with (could make it a peircing 2 hit sealed sword type weapon).
just spit-balling here, lol.
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 16:36
#11
You can't kill with sleep and
You can't kill with sleep and it heals (unless that poison combo works). Attacking a monster may wake it up. Sleep weapon would just work as a pause button.
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 16:40
#12
Taken from the Wiki.
"Techniques with Sleep
If you wish to ignore a sleeping enemy, you should Poison the enemy first, so that they don't heal them selves much or at all during their nap.
Knights may also unleash powerful attacks on sleeping enemies that do several hits, even if the attack would normally push the enemy out of most of the hits; this is because sleeping enemies won't move until they wake up. But beware: monsters will wake if hit with something that makes them flinch/fall over. "
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 18:55
#13
Nathan Drake kicks people to
Nathan Drake kicks people to sleep.
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 22:36
#14
I know that monsters
I know that monsters inflicting sleep wouldnt work because people will get hit on porpose so they can heal. But i dont see why a sleeping weapon wouldnt work. Vaporizers do the weakest version of each status so people wouldnt abuse using a sleep vaporizer, if you dont use it properly it wouldnt even help so i dont really see the problem of having a sleep weapon. By the way whos nathan drake.
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 22:38
#15
Sun, 12/04/2011 - 03:18
#16
/shrug
If you ask me, I think that this'll be a bad weapon.
You doing damage, and doing NEGATIVE damage to boot. You healing HP of your enemies and taking it away, at the SAME TIME.
I don't think this'll work. :/ Sorry.
Mon, 12/05/2011 - 18:58
#17
Neurotech Alchemer
Make it another alchemer! It will deal piercing damage.
Neurotech Alchemer - An alchemical handgun that fires bullets of negative energy that split on impact. Good chance of causing moderate sleep.
Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:55
#18
It'd be very boring.
If you had a sleep weapon, all you have to do is put every non-Construct on the battlefield to sleep, and walk around attacking non-reacting targets who're regenerating health as you're taking it away...
not exactly exciting is it?
Tue, 12/06/2011 - 01:13
#19
I think it'd be simply too
I think it'd be simply too powerful. Sleep's sort of the metagaming nuclear bomb in both MMOs and tabletop RPGs. A target simply becomes completely inactive for a looong time, no melting/exiting rang zone..they just stop. In rpgs, putting an enemy to sleep quickly results in that enemy getting their neck slashed.
Heaven forbid it ever becomes a vaporizer. I can only assume that a SleepStorm, or whatever you'd call a 5* sleep vape. would make SL runs a lot easier, just like Shivermists make Vanaduke easy and Venom Veilers make JK easy.
Tue, 12/06/2011 - 02:27
#20
...
@Tengu Snore Cloud? Inducer? Dream Cloud? Comforter? Explosive Pillowcase? Knocker-Outer? Sleeping Pills? Tranquilizer? Silent Might? Sloombomb? Lullaby? Easy way to get out of those nasty battles... and it deals no damage! A pacifist's favorite weapon! (Paradox warning)
Tue, 12/06/2011 - 02:59
#21
Yarg!
Heavy-Duty,
If, WHEN, Tri Rings makes the sleep bomb, they hafta 100% use one of those ^ !. I prefer Snore Cloud or Explosive Comforter, ftw.
That is all.
Honestly, Sleep isnt a element or usage of one throughout america mabye other country's. So they had no use for it because of that they just couldnt find another vial casing when they can they will change it. How to stop that is: (1). You can send a message about that to suggestions. (2). well you could talk to the support but they would say the same. THE END