Well, it's an auction...auctions end...kinda why it's called an auction house. :P

I am one of those people who got screwed over and OOO is a bunch of jerks for doing that crap. I could see 2-3 Glow-Eyes but 5-6! Thanks alot of ruining my desire to really want to continue to play this game much longer so long as the creators want to go out of their way to screw over their players. How about they fix the lag, or fix all the bugs and glitches. Now I just need one of the arrogant forum moderators t come tell me off. How about OOO doesn't tell us they have released stuff and made it unavailable to players?

/sigh
are you people gonna ever be happy?

I know what you mean.

Like just yesterday, I had a packet of sweet tarts, and when I opened it there was a red one, a blue one, and another red one!
Who the heck does Willy Wonka think he is?! It's obviously sweet tart etiquette to have at LEAST one orange sweet tart in a packet, but noooo.
there was no indication that there was going two be two reds and a blue sweet tart, instead they just decide to blindside the customers.

Good thing I still have a box of strawberry nerds, but I bet Willy Wonka put in a few grape ones into the box.
I really do appreciate the positives i get for the deliciousness i PAID for. But quit treating us like Oompa-Loompa's by negligence to let people make informed decisions.

/end rant.

/if u disagree with me don't reply so I look like I'm right about me acting like I'm entitled to everything

@Marqui: Well said
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Since I am not allowed to disagree with you in your thread, I guess I will have to agree with your reasoning:

OOO, please put up 10 Regal Wolver Tails on Featured Auctions for the OP

I agree with this

YOU are my hero marqui.

That was amazing. I feel bad for you, I hate it when they do not put any green ones in.

They're accessories. They are made to make your character look unique. They offer no bonus. Grow up. If they were offering 500 True Love Pendants, THEN I would be absolutely pissed. I don't even have them, but I would be pissed at OOO for destroying the market on those trinkets... and for screwing those [most likely] paying customers over.

As for the scarves: With my personal color and Skolver armor, it would match me perfectly. Too bad I don't have enough CR to have a shot at getting one. Q.Q After that I'd only need a Military Wolver Tail and my outfit would be complete with accessories of:

Military Flower, Military Vertical Vents, Military Bomb Bandolier, Military Wolver Tail, and Prismatic Scarf.

Now... if Accessories offered slight buffs, then I'd be pissed if the rares offered a better buff. If they all offered the same buff, then all would be well still.

@Pawn: I'm sorry... did you ask for respect on the INTERNET when you are raging about a free-to-play game?

Also, if you demand respect, then why not show OOO some respect. They didn't need to make the game (beyond getting money, but they could probably get a job at other video game companies with the skill they have shown). I think OOO have done significantly more work than you have and are entitled to far more respect than you are showing them.

i understand if you are just trying to play devil's advocate, or to be contrarian....but you're arguments are simply flawed.

"Got something OOO hasn't sold yet? You can equip it and be supercoolguy or sell it before anyone else does."

This is exactly what people are complaining about. Take Zajarism....he got somethign supercool that triple OOO hadn't yet sold (glow eyes) and he is/was in the process of trying to sell it. He has a thread in the bazaar, he was working deals with people in trade chat. This is the way it works when you have a premium item to sell off.

And then OOO comes in and places a half-dozen of them on the AH (to pawn's argument, creating them out of thin air) and drastically drives down the value of what he is trying to sell. And its also false to claim "this is how auction houses work, everyone tries to undercut everyone." this argument would be 100% correct if zajarism was complaining about another player undercutting him. But with real life players, that mechanism is a function of "player X is willing to sacrifice profit to undercut player Y." For the development to team to sell 6 of them at once there is no sacrifice of profits, and thus no equitable comparison or fairness to be pointed at. Not only did they gladly sell zajarism however many silver keys it took him to open the super rare glow eyes, they then posted a half-dozen of them up for auction cutting out his opportunity to make his money back. (yes he can still get more than a silver key for it, but if he opened a mass amount of boxes and that was the one super rare he got, then it could have covered the cost of the entire mass opening. its not akin to buying hundreds of lottery tickets, getting super lucky and actually winning, and then the lottery company deciding...yeah but its not going to be 5million dollars. its going to be 500 dollars. sorry bout that. your loss.)

@ Rommil

That's a good way to see it, although I still disagree. I don't have any logical points to bring to the table anymore so I'll bow out. Good show!

I myself by the way go for the cheapest route. I sell for a profit, but cheaper than the next guy. It's experience I've had. I see your and Pawn's points, but he is also over exaggerating. It's a game we can all play.

i understand your point. but for many players the end game content is the collection and turnover of high-end content (especially given teh fact that there have only been about 3 occassions of new in game content added to the game in nearly 8 months. Most of those very minor, and the shadow lairs being sorta the same thing that we always had). So for these players it is a very real concern the way OOO is taking over the "player driven economy." They are, in effect, killing off what little EXCITING gameplay there is for some people.

I guess many people who are unaffected by this find it impossible to empathize with those who are affected by this. I guess if you weren't really close to having saved enough crowns to buying that scissors blade YOU REALLY WANTED and then it dissappears while you are at work, then you have no understanding for the guy who was at work all day day-dreaming about coming home and buying his scissor blades.

I also see how many can read pawn's post and see only the internet rage and completely overlook the positive nature of it (such passion for a game is important. important for anyone who chooses to spend their limited free time in this world, and important for triple O. I dare say triple O should pander more to those players who are incredibly passionate about the game and disregard those who are indifferent about it. but thats an entirely different discussion).

Its understandable on all accounts. for people who aren't hurt by it, they think its either unimportant or fantastic. For people who are negatively affected by it, they cannot understand why OOO doesn't have a little more transparency, a small lessoning of the surprise factor is a great trade-off for having a heads-up that they are about to be put in a situation thats 100x worse then they were say 5 mins ago.

kinda like how pro-athletes don't care about a cause, then their child is struck by XYZ, and then they start "Superstar's name here" XYZ foundation. And it becomes incredibly important to them.

tl:dr
people tend to fail to empathize for those who are hurt by these things, unless they themselves are the one's hurt by it.

So therefore, it is fine to 'rage' about a release of rarities in the player community? There are several problems OOO has with the game. Several. But if we close one thing down, others will also rage about that. We can't stop OOO from releasing this stuff, and we can't stop players from griping about every other detail. You can say I'm a contrarian, and you can say I'm the devilite's advocate. What you say brings a lot to mind. But can we really say every complaining player is correct? How about those who are not complaining? We're playing.
Yes it's unfair. So what? People are unfair to us. If it's fair for one, it would eventually be unfair for another. Fairness can never be put in a community, especially one that's bipolar to F2P to P2P. now which one would you prefer- bidding for a Prismatic set of Glowing Eyes or open countless boxes to find them? Wait for the auctions to settle and then leave, then sell your wares as the only ones in the market. Try to solve problems on your own instead of complaining to OOO several times. There are unlimited amounts of threads that gripe and offer no solution. Rommil, what is Pawn's solution? None yet. If this is supposedly productive, then what can we build off this? It's unfair. So is everything else- CE Prices, poorer players unable to bid in Featured Auctions, lack of a Pause Button for soloists, inability to safely remove expensive accessories, etc. I would most likely keep reiterating until there is some 'plausible' solution, or until I get bored of debating. Complaining gets nowhere; actions through solutions do. If you aim to remove Featured Auctions, good luck passing through countless critics. Just look at the saddened Tortodrone fans..... (I think one of the few things that got removed, but please inform if there are any others besides monsters.)
By the way, if there is a "WAHHH! I lost this and that and this and..." thread, it's an individual problem. There really can't be suggestions for those.
As for this, what should we do? I mean if it's WTF (What the Factor) and WTH (What the Hypotenuse) and THIS IS ABSURD and OOO IS ALL WRONG and oh, the CE prices etc., please, for once, say what CAN OOO do to solve this. I'm mad at this argument because it started as complaining until something threads finally tried to pull something out of the griping.

OOO could make certain items either:

Plan A.
accessible from lockboxes
or
accessible from featured auctions.

Plan B
Make them two seperate entities for two seperate baskets of goods.
Another fix: OOO could openly say "we are going to do one minor auction (think the dapper combos) and one major auction (think prismatic/divine wings type) each week. Rare accessories will be released here first. After the auctions end, we will seed these items randomly and rarely in lockboxes, as well as have them pop up in other featured auctions in the future.

Plan C
OOO could easily send out sprial mail: We hope you have had a chance to get the fantastic scissors blade!! if not, be forewarned that after tomorrow the auction will be moved to a standard style 48 hour auction and will be proceeding to long, short, very short and then will expire. Fear not brave knights, in time more will grace the auction house once again!!!!

These are 3 perfectly workable solutions that took all of 2 seconds to come up with. Plans A and B create a scenario in which players now know that some super rare items are not attainable until they are first put in the Auction house!! (no more wasting 100k ce for a rich player trying to find a pair of wings if they weren't even in the game yet). While plan B guarantees that they will never swoop in and surprise you by posting a half-dozen of your rare item in teh AH......(you now full-well that once an auction has been featured that it is now seeded in teh game, and is now subject to reseeding at any time, and can decide how to best sell your stuff accordingly).

Plan C give players fair warning that the items that have been on the Auction house, with a limited quantity available for buyout only, are now time-based, and that they should purchase them ASAP, or must wait until they come back around.

And herein lies the crux of the issue. Its not hard to take the extra step to be thoughtful and prevent situations that will enrage passionate players. Off the top of my head and in only seconds i came up with three FIXES that would have done a right fine job of keeping anyone from suffering too much collateral damage, without even spoiling the surprise.

OOO could easily issue tomorrow a list of special accessories that have not been put onto the game yet, that will be featured in Auction over the next month (or next quarter, or next year even), and will then be integrated as findable as well. There could be a note that states: at any given point after the initial auction, we may post them back up again in auction format, make them a reward for buying CE--like original rose events, or repost them as b/o only in limited quantities subject to cheaper pricing than original sales.
---this would cover most basis.

And it wouldn't have hurt OOO to have been proactive. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that every update is going to alienate a certain segment of the player base. Determine what segment that is. Determine what plausible actions can be taken to mitigate that damage as much as possible. (if any). determine what other actions may be suitable. Its not that anyone expects for OOO to never do a thing that hurts part of the player base, but it wouldn't be hard to at least be proactive in targeting what potential pitfalls may be ahead, and proactively structuring content and such to limit these as much as possible.

---not trying to argue with you, just playing a devilite of my own, and showing HOW EASILY this could have been handled differently and in a way that would be more transparent and "Fair" to all involved. not perfect, by any means, but certainly better.

@Rommil
Finally we're getting somewhere. And I have another question: Why don't players come up with these suggestions.
@Pawn
This is your thread. Come up with something to back yourself up. Apparently that last sentence of yours is being ignored to benefit/criticize you. I'd prefer not to use that again...

@ Rommil

you realize you just said

"if there are no orange sweattarts in the package, i understand that. Thats how it works, orange is a flavor but there only three sweettarts in the package its bound to happen. BUT IF THEY PUT A GREEN IN EVERY PACK that would piss me off. and i don't even have a green sweet tart."

Let's put the flawed metaphors/analogies aside and look at what I actually said.

If they were to put 500 of an insanely rare item that gave an incredibly advantageous buff (in PvP) in the Auction house, people with heart pendants would go absolutely nuts. It would ruin the novelty of the item completely and it would make those who bought them specifically to gain an advantage in PvP like they were completely cheated out of their money.
If they put up FIVE of those trinkets, then by all means do it! Five will slightly devalue an incredibly rare item, but won't destroy it. 500 will.

What I'm getting at is the following:
The quantity of those special accessories put up is small.
The accessories give no advantageous buff.

Why complain? OOO is giving more people a chance to make unique-looking characters! That's the reason I put accessories on my stuff... to stand out.
Yes, there is a market associated with them, but it's not like it's going to absolutely crash because of just six.

As for being blindsided: Oh well. Things come and go. OOO already said that the Featured Auctions would change from time to time. I don't believe they said how often they would, though a way to remedy this would be to replace the Very Short, Short, Medium, Long, and Very Long for actual time measurements. It would make me a bit happier because whether I have 24 or 48 or more hours is a big difference. "Very Long" doesn't do it justice.

In a way, I'm agreeing and disagreeing at the same time.
There's my take. Let's keep the metaphors out unless they can directly relate.

The OOO featured auctions do seriously impact the economy. I do feel badly for people in the process of selling an item that gets featured. It's tough. But it doesn't just affect the sales of that item. I find that everything sells for less as people are using their resources to bid on the 'rare' items.

Here's a strategy to consider. Understand that buying anything has an emotional component to it. There will be a lot of knights bidding on these prismatic things that WILL NOT WIN. After that, they have a couple of options. They can buy CE, save those crowns for the next featured auction... OR, they might purchase themselves a consolation item. I suspect there will be more than a few that will want to buy something, anything nice to get a little endorphin kick after they lose out on the prismatic accessories.

Might be a good time to have your own auction up. Ya know, when the crowns are liquid.

Really, just a thought.