im on the brink of getting deadly virulisk armor set and the volc plate shield. a ehile off my DA, argent peacemaker, acheron, and combuster. thinking of getting all that to 5* at JK then getting dukser/ash tail coat and helm so that i can get vog cub set. good idea or not? suggestoins would be appreciated thanks.
Working my way to FSC. advice?
Mon, 12/12/2011 - 11:00
Mon, 12/12/2011 - 12:34
#2
agree with Culture
You don't want two elemental swords (at least not any time soon). You do want a piercing sword.
A pure elemental gun (Polaris, Storm Driver, Nova Driver, Magma Driver, or Hail Driver) is the single most useful kind of gun. Argent Peacemaker and Sentenza are less desirable, due to their split non-normal damage (although the game developers might change them soon). Blitz Needle is killer in FSC, but difficult to use elsewhere.
Tue, 12/13/2011 - 13:59
#3
thanks :D but...
this is all great advice thanks guy :) but i have tried the fencing style swords before such as the flamberge and i had no luck with them. any alternative swords you might suggest?
Tue, 12/13/2011 - 15:26
#4
auto-targeting
Some people really hate the piercing sword combo. I don't understand why. I'm not especially good at games, and I had very little trouble adjusting to it. I do use auto-targeting --- do you? It's probably crucial. I strongly encourage you to give piercing swords a serious try. Many of us feel that they are the most over-powered weapons in the game.
But if you don't want a piercing sword, and you already have an elemental sword and a shadow sword, then you're done with swords. Any others you'd collect would be just for the sake of novelty, when you get bored with what you have.
Wed, 12/14/2011 - 13:17
#5
Only 3 wep slots please. so what else?
the AP does piercing so is that enough? i know 4 slots would be best but at the same time im not the richest person and i wont wana have to buy more CE every month to get another wep slot upgrade. so just thinking about 3 slots: DA, Acheron, AP. is that good for FSC? if not, what would you suggest (bar the piercing swords)
Wed, 12/14/2011 - 14:16
#6
fortunately, no
Acheron, and shadow weapons in general, have almost no use in FSC. (Okay, there are a couple of slimes, but they're not worth equipping for.) So the good news is that you've suddenly freed up a weapons slot.
By the way, one day's worth of mist energy, if used carefully, is enough to run FSC twice, netting you as much as 16,000 crowns plus materials. And that 16,000 crowns is enough to buy a weapon slot upgrade. So they're not as expensive as you think, once you get going.
AP is pretty good for depths 24-27 of FSC, but those levels don't really require any gun. In the Vanaduke fight on depth 28, the most common strategy for Phases 1, 3, 5 (but not the only strategy, of course) is to have people assigned to three jobs: freezing (Shivermist Buster), damage (piercing guns, particularly Blitz Needle), and cleanup (fending off slags, putting out fires). Your AP could do some damage, but be careful not to disrupt the Blitz Needle users. You could get Shivermist Buster, to do the freezing job. Or you could just stick to cleanup. But the more of these jobs you can do, the more desirable you are as an FSC party member, and the less picky you have to be in setting up a party.
Thu, 12/15/2011 - 07:22
#7
Why piercing swords?
They're useless against the Oilers and Red Rovers, and aren't much use against Zombies, which make up 90+% of FSC's monster population. The only things they're good against (in FSC) are the Trojans, and those really don't show up commonly enough to make piercing swords a necessity.
Thu, 12/15/2011 - 09:04
#8
piercing swords, not for FSC
Metagenic, somewhere in the middle of this thread we switched from giving general advice to giving FSC advice. I don't think that people were strongly recommending piercing swords for FSC here (although some people do use them against trojans and Vanaduke Phase 1).
Just to clarify, my typical weapon loadout is pure swords, such as Glacius, Acheron, Barbarous Thorn Blade, but my FSC loadout is totally different: Divine Avenger, Blitz Needle, Shivermist Buster. Scottish-Archer, you don't need as specialized an FSC loadout as this, but it would be nice to have either Shivermist or a pure piercing gun. And no, you do not need a fourth weapon slot.
Thu, 12/15/2011 - 10:16
#9
so maybe i should ditch the
so maybe i should ditch the combuster and go for Levithan/Cold Iron Vanquisher? the Vog set and DA isnt going to change by the way. especially as i have ASI medium on my avenger so that will be very nice with the very high ASI of a vog set. the volc plate shield will also offer extra protection against firey stuffs. so its mainly a third wepeon im looking for (AP being the accompanyment for the DA) i am also looking at the cost aspect of it. leveling all my gear up to level 10 to make it 5* is taking forever. so getting some star below the shivermist line would be perfect i aggree, but timing and cost wise its maybe not the best choice.
Thu, 12/15/2011 - 11:28
#10
Combuster is great
Combuster is a great sword --- just not in FSC.
If you have DA, then you certainly don't need CIV. Arguably Levi is useful for Vanaduke's mask phase, but frankly DA is good enough for that. I would not get Levi or CIV, either for FSC or for general Clockworks play (or PvP).
You are currently planning on DA and AP in FSC. The obvious other weapon is Shivermist Buster. The 4-star version is fine for all of FSC up to Vanaduke. It might have some problems in Phase 5 of the Vanaduke fight, because the freeze radius might not be big enough to catch him (because you can't get close to him, unless you've extinguished the fire balls). But I haven't tried it.
I would work toward Shivermist Buster. Yes, getting to 5-star takes a while when you're playing for free. But getting a Calibur to 5-star would take just as long, and there would be no point to it (for you).
Thu, 12/15/2011 - 12:16
#11
i think i will continue with
i think i will continue with my current set (virulisk helm+armor, silent-nightblade, avenger, silversix and boosted plate shield) until till all of the above are 5*. then swap over and try to get the dukser up to vog and ast the same time work on gettin that sivermist. i will work on that in JK since that is all i ever do. does that sound like a good plan?
Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:48
#12
sadly, I recommend against Virulisk
Skolver: Normal, piercing, freeze. Medium damage bonus on swords, against all enemies.
Deadly Virulisk: Normal, piercing, poison. Medium damage bonus on all weapons, against slimes.
I don't see a contest here, given that the only weapon you're using on slimes is your Nightblade, right? So, while I don't actually like seeing everyone in the same armor, I would recommend switching to Skolver. Also, the recipes you learn will help you get to Vog Cub later.
(You might think that you're too far along, to abandon the Virulisk armor line. But more than half of the cost of making a 5-star item comes in the final upgrade from 4-star to 5-star. Even if you're already at 4-star, there is no reason to stick with an item that isn't exactly what you want.)
Thu, 12/15/2011 - 14:40
#13
well i allready got and
well i allready got and leanred the recipes. i am still gonna do JK just as much as FSC. helping friends, getting gems, all that good stuff so i think getting the deadly set will be good. plus that means i can do JK runs alot esier so i can save the CE+cr up using the deadly set before switching. so im ready for the transmuting progress.
Sat, 12/17/2011 - 06:16
#14
If there is someone with ice,
If there is someone with ice, AP is not a desirable weapon for FSC/Vanaduke. And as it is now, it isn't a very useful weapon outside of safely killing Vana without ice. Personally, I carry DA, Blitz, and Shivermist, which covers all the bases during pub games.
As far as armor, fire protection from full Vog Cub and Grey Owlite was helpful when learning the ropes in FSC, but I've transitioned to Vog/Skolver and BTS.
I really liked Levi as my starting weapon when I only had two weapon slots, but nowadays, it gets very little use. And just say no to CIV.
Sat, 12/17/2011 - 09:30
#15
they are doing an update on
they are doing an update on the antigua line so the silversix and up does pure piercing damage and same for shadow on blackhawk and up. so it should be pretty good.
Sat, 12/17/2011 - 10:19
#16
almost
Minor correction: You mean that Silversix/Argent does pure *elemental*, and Blackhawk/Sentenza does pure shadow, in the proposed update.
This may dramatically change the gun landscape, if it ever happens.
Sat, 12/17/2011 - 11:29
#17
well the update will mean
well the update will mean those guns are even better! :D
Deadly Virulisk is a nice piercing defense set. Any time you are up against beasts or jellies in T2/3 it will be quite useful. When you eventually get Vog, you can use that vs Elemental or Fire areas like Constructs and FSC.
Your DA and Combuster are both elemental swords. I'd suggest dropping the Combuster for a Final Flourish or Barb Thorn Blade. That way you have three swords with three damage types. Why the DA over Combuster? Specifically for FSC, DA's wide arc and charge attack with huge knockback is very useful over Combuster's fire abilities. Outside of FSC, both are equally great swords.
The Argent Peacemaker (AP) is great for its mobility and large clip, try the Antigua and see if it fits your play style. If it does not, consider Polaris or Blitz Needle as exceptional alternatives. The Polaris has knockback, AoE and shock, but its long-range shots are blinding. Whereas the Blitz Needle owns Trojans and Vanaduke but is harder to use.