Spiral Knights - Devs, GMs, before giving us any new content, how about doing this

Devs, GMs, before giving us any new content, how about doing this

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Wed, 12/14/2011 - 13:33

Ommelette

Fixing the multitude of problems this game has with lag, steam issues, pithy glitches and bugs. I don't give a crap about santy hats or even t4 if my connection to this game is unreliable. This is honestly one of the worst games in this regard, which is devastating its pretty rich design. I know this is F2P but seriously, alot of people have put alotta money into this game and by not addressing the most pressing issues you're not delivering an adequate gaming service.

What's horrible is that skill can't be that big of a factor when [crap] will damage you when your shield is up or the timing get messed up in a dungeon and you never know when you'll get damaged really. It's not player fault half the time just [crappy] glitches or mistakes. This detracts the most from this game and really needs to be ameliorated for a truly pleasant gaming experience.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 13:36

Alphacommando

What??? I rarely have lag...

What??? I rarely have lag... only when I head towards the AH in the Haven plaza... my shields always work fine. I get damaged when the enemies hit me. Steam issues? Tell Steam, not OOO. These problems are probably your computer.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 14:53

Jacktehripper

It's a feature.

The lag/latency isn't a problem, it's a feature, so they get more money when you need more energy when you die.
Most other "problems" stem from this feature.

Also, it isn't free to play, there is a free demo, not the entire game.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 15:14

Psychodestroyer

Eh, no.

Lag/latency is because you're too far away from the server. They recently set up a Euro server, so europeans can play with less of that now.

Pray they set one up in your area. OOO isn't Making lag, they just haven't fully sorted it out yet.

And the game IS free to play, but you have the option of paying to get ahead faster. I have a full 3* set and I haven't paid a cent yet. Paying would just get you what you want sooner, if you're willing to cough up the goods.

Steam problems are from STEAM. They have nothing to do whatsoever with OOO. Steam accounts have to pass through Steam servers, so when they go down, Steam users can't get on Not OOO's fault.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:18

Jacktehripper

Eh, yes.

Psychodestroyer, If I was to buy a game, and then give it to you, does that make that game free to play?? No. Someone has to pay. It could be you, it could be someone you haven't even heard of. Once you have used CE, it is no longer free to play. This means if you want to leave T2 (i.e. descend to the core like the mission is), then someone needs to pay.
The Terms of Service state:
"You may be eligible to play for free during a Free Trial or Beta test period."
What you have is a free trial. To be able to play fully, someone needs to pay.

For it to be a free to play game, you need to be able to complete the game (i.e. get to the core) without anyone paying a cent. This is not the case. To use CE someone has to pay for it.

Sure, an individual can play the game in its entirety without paying a cent, but someone has to pay for them. If everyone tried this, no one would get past T2. You would be stuck using only mist energy.

Until either there is a system to get CE for crowns or another in game item, without getting it off someone else, or we no longer need CE to craft to 4* stuff, it cannot be a free to play game. It will only be a free trial/demo.

Yes, latency is due to being electrically distant from the server, however the game can be engineered to compensate for that, rather than you effectively remote desktopping to a server.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 03:28

Psychodestroyer

@Jacktehripper

Well, if you want to look into the BIG picture, then yes, it's not EXACTLY free to play.

But F2P for SK operates on the smaller version, in which a player can get to 5* without paying a cent. The F2P tag is just to attract players to the fact they they don't HAVE to pay. It operates on a personal basis, not a ... I don't know the correct term, collective basis?

So yeah, someone has to pay, but if people wanted to think like that, then nothing would be free:

Examples:

I give you a cup of water for free, but its not free, because its the water I pay for (Im paying for the water I give you) :/
I give you a material for free, but its not free, because I spent Tokens/mist/time/cr/ce on it before I gave it to you :/
Your phone company gives you free credit, but it's not free, because they have to live without you paying for it (Opportunity cost) :/
You get a free lunch, but that operates just like the phone company does. :/

The 'Free' tag is just to sweeten it up, so don't worry about delving deeper into the pay-chain. Most things work on the immediate stuff.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:30

Nodocchi

We must look bigger

@Jacktehripper
By your logic no game can be labelled free to play because there is always someone paying for it at some time. OOO has to pay for their servers so someone has to pay for that (either OOO or their customers), so even if no one who plays the game paid a cent, the game would still not be technically considered free since OOO has to pony up the money to keep the game running. On the other hand, no game would be able to operate if no one paid any money to keep it running, so it then technically impossible for a game to be called free to play by your standards.

And yeah, what Psychodestroyer said. Nothing is free by that logic.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 18:39

Jacktehripper

Not a valid comparison

In your example with the water, you are the one who is offering the water to the person. You are giving them the water for free. This means the water is free for that person in this 1 case. In general, the water is not free.
In this game, it is not the same. SK is the one giving out the energy. They charge for it. If someone gives you energy for free, then in that case it is free, but in general, it is not free. To get water someone needs to pay, to get energy someone needs to pay.
If it was a free to play game, then you could get energy for free (or be able to craft to at least 4* for free).
A free to play game is something like runescape, KOL, neopets, etc, where you do not need to pay to play, nor does anyone else. Yes, the people who offer the game are paying, but the consumers do not need to.
With your example for the water, if you were to offer a service, for free, to continually give out water, then it would be free for your consumers, and thus a free water service.

P.S. do not confuse free to play with free to run or free.
I am not talking about it being free in total, just free to play, which it is not.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 19:10

Effrul

*headdesk forever*

How is this nitpicky, meritless pedantry relevant to the OP again? And can it either stop, or move to another forum? It's certainly not Suggestions material.

Ommelette, where are you based that your lag is so horrendous? Even before the advent of the European servers, I only had really serious latency issues during Power Surge weekends, and I'm based in the UK - admittedly, in a largish city with very decent broadband, but still, some several thousand miles from California. Something that nobody complaining about lag seems to realise is that it can occur anywhere between the servers and your machine - it could be the connection in your area, or some issues with your ISP, or any number of factors. It's not something Three Rings can just up and fix - they can mitigate it with dedicated servers, which are prohibitively expensive for an operation of their size, but it can never, ever be eliminated.

Without specific information on "pithy glitches and bugs", there's not really anything Three Rings can do about them, and besides, that's what the dedicated Bug Reports forum is for.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 19:44

Psychodestroyer

@Jacktehripper

Well, then I could just say that the person asked me for the water. It doesn't matter. Point is, he gets the water I paid for. Tweak the details a bit however you want, the point stands.

A: Can I haz some of your cheeseburger?

B: /thinks: I bought the cheeseburger.

B: /says: Sure, you can haz some of my cheeseburger.

A: Cheeseburger piece get! (A didn't pay anything, B didn't offer anything)

WHATEVER. F2P doesn't mean the game is FREE, as in ENTIRELY FREE. Of course someone is going to have to pay for SOMETHING. F2P just means a player doesn't have to pay for his/her playing of the game.

Y'know, if you think the F2P tag is so misleading, then stop arguing with ME and tell OOO that. Ask them to change it or whatever.

Just stop trying to prove to me, who doesn't matter, that this game is not ACTUALLY F2P, for whatever reason you're arguing with me FOR.

Now can we PLEASE STOP!?

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