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Silversix or Blackhawk (AFTER DAMAGE CHANGE)

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Sat, 12/17/2011 - 23:53
Isenfir's picture
Isenfir

Silversix - Pure elemental damage, add an undead damage bonus
Argent Peacemaker - Pure elemental damage, add an undead damage bonus
Blackhawk - Pure shadow damage, add a gremlin damage bonus
Sentenza - Pure shadow damage, add a gremlin damage bonus

Those are the changes, but I want to know which i should pick.

My current Equips:
Wyvern Scale Mail & Angelic Helm
Twisted Snarb/Shockburst Bran/Toxic Cata/Sealed(soon to be avenger)/Lightning Cap/Super Blaster(not upgrading)/Arc Razor(Not Upgrading)/Antigua*
Boosted Plate Shield

-I hate gremlins, usually using a normal wep to kill them or just running
-I hate retrodes
-I love fighting graveyards
-It will not be used in pvp mostly
-I am not planning it for FSC yet
-I am sticking with that armor
-I am not a noob who doesn't know what search is

Im leaning toward silversix, because I normally use elemental weapons more than shadow, as its more commonly storng against things, but I sorta want something to pick gremlins off.

Thanks!

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 00:23
#1
Shadownox's picture
Shadownox
uh.... well, the change hasnt

uh....

well, the change hasnt even happended yet... and who knows if it will? if u like doing graveyards and hate retrodes, looks like ur gonna get the AP. mabybe jsut get both.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 00:26
#2
Isenfir's picture
Isenfir
At my current budget I can't afford both

ik it hasnt happend, but Im pretty sure it will, ty for feedback

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 13:09
#3
The-Serpentine's picture
The-Serpentine
Sentenza

I think you should get BH because as you said, and I quote'I'm leaning toward silversix, because I normally use elemental weapons more than shadow'. For the reason that you use elemental more, you wouldn't have to worry a lot about retrodes, but you still have the problem of gremlins, which isn't solved.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 14:10
#4
Juances's picture
Juances
There are plenty of elemental

There are plenty of elemental weapons that IMO will be better than peacemaker, like the alchemer or polaris, mainly because oif status, unless they make AP overpowered.

There are only a few shadow weapons, all of them slow, compared to gremlins that love to dodge.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 15:57
#5
Isenfir's picture
Isenfir
Ty you guys

@Dutchman true, I do have a elemental bomb and sword

@Juances I don't really like alchemers, and not to big a fan of pulsars, but there arent many shadow weapons, and most all are slow besides nightblade.

Now I'm leaning toward sentenza after playing a few decon levels >.<

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 05:23
#6
Metagenic's picture
Metagenic
Sentenza

If AP becomes pure elemental, it'll be good against Undead and Constructs, but will be outclassed by the Polaris - both Undead and Constructs are extremely predictable and you won't need a precision gun for them. You'll want damage, AOE, and a status - which the Polaris can do easily.

Sentenza would become good against Gremlins and Slimes. Given that Gremlins dodge like crazy and Giant Lichen Colonies can be tough to take down without a good gun, you should definitely get this weapon.

WARNING: we have no idea if the Antiguas will be updated or not, so I'd advise against upgrading your Antigua until the updates do happen or we get a notice from Nick saying they'll never happen. The split damage AP is better than the split damage Sentenza.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 08:54
#7
Kalaina-Elderfall's picture
Kalaina-Elderfall
Choosing between different

Choosing between different damage types isn't really something you should be doing in my opinion. If you need a source of Elemental damage, take an Elemental weapon. If you need a source of Shadow damage, take a Shadow weapon. If you need both at different times, make both and take what you need when you need it.

Unless your Antigua has an amazing UV, in which case analyze what kills you the most. Enemies can be annoying in different ways, but if they annoy you in ways that don't involve your death then it's not all that important.

If you don't have the great UV, consider getting both. And at the end of the day, just get what makes you happy. If you really want to pick off Gremlins, get a gun to pick off the Gremlins. Optimal equipment isn't as important in this game as we're inclined to believe.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 09:44
#8
Project-Ray
@kalaina

(its isenfir on alt, dont want to bother with steam login here)

I cant afford both -_- and I currently only have toxic cata as ONLY shadow weapon. Not everyone is 5* with buttloads of crwns

@metagenic

for lichens i have toxic cata, but you have good points other than that, in that there are better elemental guns. I think im gonna get sentenza after damage change. plus, AP is more common, which means i wont need it as much if another has it.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 10:28
#9
Kalaina-Elderfall's picture
Kalaina-Elderfall
It's not so much a question

It's not so much a question of getting things now as what your plans are. You need weapons to be able to take care of every enemy in the game, so plan to get them. Personally, I have exactly nine pieces of 5* equipment at the moment: four weapons, two trinkets, helm, armor, shield. I don't need a lot of extra equipment because I picked a setup that covered all the important bases. If you didn't pick as "perfect" a setup (which is fine, there's nothing wrong with wanting to have a little variety in your gameplay), then you'll need to spend more money to get what you need. 'S how the game works.

Plus, who knows when the damage change is going to happen. I don't know if it's a great idea to plan on getting one of these guns and leave yourself without a key piece of equipment for who knows how long. But a slight bonus vs gremlins in the now may be okay anyway. Or upgrade your toxic cata to a biohazard, which is a perfectly fine shadow gun in its own right. Or get an an umbra driver. Both good shadow guns.

You're still low star in your equips, so it's really not a big deal for you to just change paths entirely. It's only once you get to 4* that you're really locked in with the investment.

But yeah. You're going to have a DA. You don't need any more elemental damage. Go for shadow, whether it's your future biohazard or the sentenza.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 13:45
#10
Project-Ray
@Kalaina

1. like I said, I'm planning for now, not later. I thought that was implied with the "not all of us have 5* and buttloads of crowns"
2. toxic is 3* not 4*, and it refuses to hit gremlins unless I get point blank.
3. not a fan of alchemers
4. The only path I plan to change is antigua, everything else I've locked in (not upgrading super blaster or arc razor, they stay for pvp)
5. repeat of 1 in different phrasing, then I stopped myself and just wrote this.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 14:09
#11
Theirillusion's picture
Theirillusion
Get argent

The only enemies weak to shadow dmg that does not dodge bullets are the slimes. And elemental guns work fine on slimes as well. I see no reason to get sentenza at all. To solve your gremlin problem, get a shadow sword.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 15:57
#12
Project-Ray
@Theirillusion

have you ever used any kind of antigua against a gremlin?

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 20:40
#13
Kalaina-Elderfall's picture
Kalaina-Elderfall
The problem with getting a

The problem with getting a Sentenza now is the money, though. Namely the fact that you'll have no weapon that's good against slimes and you'll have to get one. Although you can probably make do with the DA.

If you really enjoy using the Antigua, upgrade it to a Sentenza and use it on gremlins. Having weapons that you enjoy using is way more important than anything else. I'd be a little wary of the fact that it only gets a 25% damage bonus and not the full 50%, but I can't say how much of an effect that has since I don't use one myself. If you DON'T like using the Antigua on gremlins, and you don't want to get a Biohazard or an Umbra, then by all means go for a sword instead.

Sorry if I'm offending you; I'm really just trying to give you all the information you need to make a decision on your own. At the end of the day you can work with whatever equipment you pick provided that you have some idea what you're doing.

Here's your weapon lineup:

Snarble: Good piercing damage; sword. Check.
Avenger: Good elemental damage; sword. Has a ranged charge attack. Probably best weapon in the game. Great in FSC when you go. Check.
Toxic Cata: Shadow gun. Can't hit gremlins. Use for slimes, still need a weapon for gremlins.
Sentenza: Semi-shadow gun. Good against gremlins, could be useful against Alphas too if you're not liking the Snarble on them.

Shockburst: Elemental sword. For pvp, I'm assuming.
Lightning Cap: Shock bomb. Also for pvp.

So with that you've got all the bases covered. If you don't actually like some of those weapons, then definitely don't use them. And it's pretty clear that you're going to need to go Sentenza with the Antigua rather than AP to cover your gremlin weakness. That's really all I've been trying to tell you.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 09:31
#14
Project-Ray
@kalaina

Shockburst and Lightning are for everything, <3 shock
Toxic cata for jellies when you said in first paragraph i didnt have one, I am getting a biohazard
Sentenza for AFTER damage change, read the title dude-and if you did, normal and shadow still do the 50% damage bonus
You're not offending me, but you are annoying me since you apparently TL;DR me
Sorry if im offending you
Everything but super blaster and arc razor will be upgraded to 5*

Twisted Snarb-Beasts and fiends
DA-Undead
Shockburst-Construct
Lightning Cap-EVERYTHING <3 Shock
Arc Razor and Super Blaster-PvP Tier 2
Toxic Cata-Slimes and sometimes constructs(specifically lumbers)
Thats it I believe. OH, I'm also considering getting a Cold Iron thing lmuch later in game for FSC or Graveyards.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 11:57
#15
Nicoya-Kitty's picture
Nicoya-Kitty
@Project-Ray Just a minor

@Project-Ray Just a minor note, you may want to revise your "lightning cap for EVERYTHING" after trying to use it on a tier 3 gremlin bomber final arena wave, and turning the entire screen into a carpet of explosion.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9924/spiral20111111151352.png

In my defence, it seemed like a good idea at the time.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 13:25
#16
Project-Ray
@Nicoya-Kitty

haha, that must've stunk badly. Hope you lived

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 13:44
#17
Theirillusion's picture
Theirillusion
@Project-Ray

Of course i have tried... -.-

Its just that guns suck against gremlins.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 18:11
#18
Nicoya-Kitty's picture
Nicoya-Kitty
We did make it through

We did make it through eventually, though I don't recall now if we used a revive or not.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 19:45
#19
Rangerwillx's picture
Rangerwillx
Haha.

We used one revive. I got blasted lucky with both the menders saying "Mend!" and some of the bombers saying "Catch!".
It was fun, thanks for reviving my memory of that photo haha.

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 20:32
#20
Kalaina-Elderfall's picture
Kalaina-Elderfall
It's likely that by the time

It's likely that by the time the damage change happens, you'll have enough crowns to buy more weapons than this, provided you actually play the game. I'm not sure why you're looking for advice after the damage change and yet you're talking about what you need right now.

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