ur 100% correct. I am leaving SK, and it is a suspicious time for me to post this. However, after careful calculations, which me leaving was the reason I did them, 250 is the correct price of Refined Metal.

Tell me I am wrong.

the value of an item in game is defined by what its cost is up until it is set by an IRL currency.

Refined metal goes a short way to about 75 cents each, while CE goes at about 1 dollar. I am starting you guys off with simple calculations. DO you agree with that small part at least? Or will you disagree with me on even the simplest of calculations.

@kupoo, apparently you are unaware of the concept of idling.

That of which invalidates your theory of time, putting the value of refined even less, with CE even higher priced. Because CE is not only obtainable by time, but also effort in that case. I did not want to include the factor of time due to this reason exactly.

The items of TF2 drop on their own, you dont go out of your way to get them. They will drop when playing the game. However, CE does not drop, you must use what you obtain in game, to actually purchase the CE, thus putting a value of CE even higher, and value of TF2 Refined even lower.

You cannot look at only one aspect if you want to try and disprove, look at everything and how the mechanism works.

So people are not wasting time when playing TF2, they are having fun. Or at least I think they are. However, due to the fact that there is a limit on the amount of playtime you can put into Spiral Knights, thus causes the value to go even higher.

With TF2, you are allowed 12 hours playtime to get items. With Spiral Knights, you are allowed only 100 Mist, which on a daily basis does regenerate, which accumulates to 700 Mist. Assuming you are playing big runs, like Vanaduke, you are running about 90 Mist each day. And on average, maybe 70 Mist if you get a lucky join.

So this means you are allowed 10 Vanaduke runs a week. Maybe an 11th due to 22 hours of regeneration time so it allows up to another 70 Mist as well by the end of the week.

Assuming you are lucky enough to do a full Vanaduke run every time, and you go all the way through, you are looking at about 110k cr. At the current rate of CE/cr exchange rate, this comes out to 1500 CE. Which means you get 1500 CE a week, if you are lucky and putting much effort, while with no alt TF2 accounts, you get half a refined metal. Go ahead and say that would mean that you get 3k CE for a single refined metal. But who the hell would actually believe that.

Like I mentioned, you must have the effort to put forth into SK, while with TF2, it comes on its own. No effort needed. Not to mention gear, weaponry, and anything else you add to yourself. And I believe effort is worth more, much more, than time. So you are no longer looking at a 3k:1 exchange. You are looking at a lot less. Depends on how much you value your time over your effort.

Either way, this is to show you all the calculations used to match the in game currencies and any other factor you might want to include in the calculations. But truth is, the true value of an in game item is how much it can be sold or bought for.

TF2 Refined Metal: ~$.70-$0.75 per
350 Crystal Energy: ~$1

Just because I am quitting Spiral Knights, does not mean I did these numbers lightly.

Sincerely,
Noobowns

@Xylka, I sell my refined metal for 65 cents each. So I will number crunch for such a reason.

i know, so i put exact.

Anyhow, in case I did not mention it, I want to tell Poetry thank you for putting the link to my Sales thread in your post. Makes it easier for me to move from here to the other thread.

I mentioned every single factor that could be included into the conversion rate. Due to time and effort, there is no way to put a value on those, so I did not use those into a further alteration of the exchange.

Otherwise, you would get mixed exchanges and not an accurate one.

If you can put a value on time and effort, let me know. When you do, I will add those into my calculations, but until then, I will only simplify it as best as it could be simplified.

And TF2 is a videogame in case you did not know lordofnecromancers.

the present prices are put by players like you and I actually trading for the sellers price. If people started asking 1k for refined, then people will start paying 1k for it.

But its not a matter of what it is being priced at, this is a thread I made to say what the refined is actually worth.

I am selling a bunch of my items from Spiral Knights. And I am after Crystal Energy. True.

And I do plan on trading the CE for Refined. And I do plan on selling this Refined for money.

However, I do not mind paying 300-350 CE per Refined. Though I would prefer 250 CE. Truth is though, the value is actually 250 CE.

that is one word i do not understand

BTW, lets just leave it at this, because this thread is honestly getting out of hand, and I do not want it turning into a war between people.

I appreciate you editing your post. As I only refreshed after it was edited. Unfortunately, I am partly to blame for the huge drop of price from when it was 85 cents to what it is now at 65 cents.

I am a trusted seller on SOP forums and I am a regular seller on the forums there. The main thing I sell is Refined. It used to be that Keys were worth 2 dollars, not 2.5, and 2 refined would be a key. However, the price of keys did not drop as fast as refined did, so forcing the refined/key rate being about 2.33-2.66 refined per key.

When I rejoined the forums, and started selling, I had to make sure I had the best prices so people would buy from me. I undercut the market by 5 cents putting it at 80 cents a refined. People slowly followed. Rinse and repeat, we are at 65 cents now. However, I assume that after about January or Mid-February, the prices of Refined should be going back up.