Heavy Hatchet or Thwack hammer?
Since I have neither yet, I'd love to get some info on any differences of the two.
Thanks in advance!
Best heavy sword for T1 Lockdown
Tue, 12/20/2011 - 20:12
Tue, 12/20/2011 - 21:37
#2
I think the heavy hatchet
I think the heavy hatchet only stuns on charge and the thwack hammer stuns on the second swing or the charge
Wed, 12/21/2011 - 00:20
#3
I can confirm that the Thwack
I can confirm that the Thwack Hammer can stun on the second swing, Ive achieved that before.
Wed, 12/21/2011 - 01:34
#4
I just did some testing in
I just did some testing in the ATH, and I was unable to get a stun out of the second hit of the Heavy Hatchet. I was also unable to get a stun out of the charge attack of the Thwack Hammer, but even with no heat it was one-shotting the shufflebots due to the construct buff it has. The Thwack Hammer did stun on the second hit, and the Heavy Hatchet did stun on the charge, as expected.
Now that said, the Thwack Hammer does have a construct buff. The numbers I got off the shufflebots (which are constructs) is:
(First, Second, Charge)
Thwack Hammer: 17, 21, 30
Heavy Hatchet: 16, 20, 28
Given that the Thwack Hammer's construct bonus is "High", that should correspond to roughly 14, 17 and 25 against a neutral enemy (I'm assuming here that tech-knights aren't constructs). That means that the Heavy Hatchet should do about ~15% more damage than the Thwack Hammer per hit in PVP.
Also taking into account that the stun is moderately rare and doesn't last very long (the stun from either lasts about 2-3 seconds on a shufflebot), I'd say the Heavy Hatchet wins hands down.
Also, vaguely related: the rotating santy hats on the shufflebots are both cute and hilarious.
Wed, 12/21/2011 - 03:31
#5
Nicoya is correct
Nicoya-Kitty is correct. Heavy Hatchet does slightly more damage than Thwack Hammer, while Thwack Hammer has a chance to stun on its second hit, but Heavy Hatchet can only stun on its charge attack.
I prefer Heavy Hatchet to Thwack Hammer in T1 lockdown. However, the stun is situationally useful.
I posted a long analysis of T1 weapons awhile back, but it's gotten lost in the forums. I'll edit this post with the link if I can find it.
Edit: Here it is! http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/33416
Wed, 12/21/2011 - 17:11
#6
Thanks
Thanks for the excellent replies, all of you!
I decided to go for the Heavy Hatchet, and luckily found one with ASI med on AH today ^^
I just tried the heavy hatchet this afternoon. I was a bit disappointed with how easy it is to get interrupted before the attack takes place, but some ASI might improve that.
I'm not sure if the attack pattern is actually different between the two, but I notice on the wiki that the heavy hatchet can do moderate stun and the thwack hammer can do minor. It's possible that the heavy hatchet only has a chance to stun on the charge attack, I don't recall managing to stun anyone with the regular attack.
That said, you can grab them off the AH for something like 700cr, so just get both. Once you figure out which you prefer, grab the recipe and start rage crafting for good UVs.