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These r the names of all the levels

^That isn't strictly true since the Deadshot Set really isn't gunner gear at all. And bomber do at least have fire and shock res, gunners have no status res whatsoever (Outside of the one set, that isn't really gunner gear lol)

To be honest I'd just debuff gunner's "physical" defense to say the level of a Chaos Cloak, then give the armours various status resists. The whole point of being a gunner is the ability to be able to attack from a safe point and remain mobile but that's screwed over if they get hit once and get an unfortunate status. Makes much more sense for their armours to be really fragile thus forcing them to be agile and avoid getting hit too much, but also provide excellent status res so they're less likely to die due to an unfortunate shock or whatever.

Guns and bomb have pure elemental damage and some shadow ones.
We have to split everything but piercing.

in addition to this, they detect hits with guns fairly miserably:

lockdown + a tiny bit of lag (either on your or the target's side; i constantly have 4 bars) + any alchemer lines = u see ricochet go off but doesn't register any damage.

i should submit a crapton of bug reports just on this fuxing issue

I don't mind the lack of Fire resist on Nameless, though it would be nice. I'd like some more options on my gun armor, but I don't feel overly limited by it. Swords do have it better, especially with the BTS, but eh.

Shadowsun is just so poorly balanced, though. I don't know what OOO was thinking with that one. It's in the running for least useful armor in the game, and no gunner should ever seriously consider it for anything more than a novelty.

I'd much rather have damage than ASI on my guns, but it's not that big a difference. If Shadowsun didn't have the curse/poison weakness, I still wouldn't use it, because pierce isn't very useful and high ASI is far and away better than a mere medium damage anyway. Max handgun damage also has the drawback of making any damage vs type UVs on your weapons worthless. VH damage is plenty for Vanaduke, as well, and I'm not willing to wear armor with a near-worthless pierce resist into FSC AND give up all my ASI just so I can kill Vana slightly faster. In short, your first post.

Also, Deadshot is really not gun armor, and it should be compared to Silvermail rather than Nameless/Justifier/Shadowsun. The only reason sword users don't use Deadshot is because they have better options in Vog and Snarby. Also, I'm not convinced that being able to kill the zombies a little bit faster actually accomplishes that much in FSC to make the ASI tradeoff worth it.

And while anyone is perfectly capable of playing the game without getting hit, the whole purpose of armor is to make it easier by allowing you to take hits so that you don't have to be completely on top of your game all the time. If I'm grinding FSC three to four times in one day, you really can't expect me to stay focused the whole time such that I never get hit. FSC isn't all that difficult once you get used to it, and I frequently leave the other three members of my party to go solo some zombies. Occasionally I get surrounded doing that, particularly if there's a trojan involved too in charred court. I can also get surrounded by zombies in the combat rooms when playing on a team of players who aren't all that great. A gunner won't die as much, but it's silly to assume that just because gunners have range that they don't have to contend with walls and fire grates. If everything were wide open spaces, sure, I'd never be taking damage, but that's really never the case.

And bombers need love, too. Just because sword users are "in the fray" doesn't mean they need to get better abilities on everything. Not when abilities are percentage-based and the damage itself already balances things.

Not to mention that 2 lines of the gunner hats look exactly the same as their 3* versions for all of the upgrades, and the only other 2 lines look exactly the same as eachother. It's not that big of a deal really, but just kind of shows how much they are overlooking gunners/getting lazy with them. Or maybe is it how gunners are strangely left out of having a Shadow Lair set designed for them? Or that the only gunner set that gets any form of positive status resistance just happens to be not gunner specific? (Let alone that it's a curse resist, the rarest status you'll find other than sleep). Also, the gunslinger sets all start at 3* so you can't even rage craft them as well as the other sets for bombers and swordsmen, making UVs for them really rare unless using Punch. There isn't even a forum picture for any gunslinger set (other than the cyclops 1* and odd pictures of guns that aren't in the game). It's all one big conspiracy man!

Obviously this is just me nitpicking at random things that don't really matter that much, but after a while, you really start to wonder....

Since we're talking about FSC and gunners, I think you guys have the wrong mentality going into FSC in gunner gear.

First of all, the gear I bring down to FSC is Shadowsun/vog, Blitz ASI low, Polaris. Combuster undead med, and AP. Sometimes the sword will get switched out for Leviathan CTR med, sometimes the Polaris will be switched out for a Nova driver. My SHield is Crest of Almire, and my trinkets are gun CTR and gun damage.

If you need a ton of fire protection in FSC, you're really laggy or you aren't playing right. Me? I'm a little of both, but more laggy. Things that light you on fire a eaaasily avoided as a gunner, as you can kite slags, avoid magma by not walking into it, and avoid rover blasts/charge shot them. You should be accompanying the other players and meting out a large amount of damage from behind them into the mobs. That's the nice thing about guns; no front-line combat.

The only thing that might gives problems is the jelly stuff, and that's why you bring at least one sword.

If you are a Blitzer, you need ASI. Damage is fine, but ASI speeds the whole shooting/reloading process up, which is the really dangerous part about shooting one of those.

AP is not getting near enough credit here. In the above described gear I'm 90-100 damage per bullet at slags. you can kite a slag all day and not be caught, and unloading a clip will do 500-600 damage. It takes slightly longer than a DA combo, but there's zero hand to hand..again, if you're playing right. I'd call it 75% of damage per attack set, but 0% chance of getting hit. I like that ratio better.

The natural ASI of the AP also makes it a very good weapon when you're running away from vanaduke when you bomber gets smeared and the shiverlocking stops.

Damage bonuses don't matter a huge amount at Vanaduke. Undead bonuses will immediately put you in slag/guard cleanup, however. hehehe

There's a reason why I seldom wear my bomber rig and almost never wear my swordsman rig; gunners are fun and they have a really nice ratio of damage to damage taken.

Also, they're the eternal pain in my a$$ in LD. Absolutely the worst. As a bomber, they just...ruin my life. I think I need to make an LD gunner set.