Before any one ask... I do not have a gambling addiction. I just though it would be nice to have a place were we can gamble our crowns away in which are gear doesn't factor in to our possibility of winning (lock down). It would be a great addition to haven expansion and would add more variety to the game. The casino should allow knight to gamble with other knights or against computer (maybe represented in the form of a monster like a gremlin or devilite).
The casino could include game like poker, slot machines, fortune wheels and a bunch of other casino game I don't know.
However if casino is to be made it should not create an alternative source of money that can not be traded (krogmo coins which can only be sold if you trade the for a mod calibrator or enamorock). If anything play should get to gamble of crowns and energy and maybe materials.
Well it all just idea and I'm open for suggestion and hope the three ring will consider it.
Please support.
Sk need a casino mode in haven
I can see your point there are people who take gambling to far and ruin their lives as well as the people around them. However it can teach them so me lesson in life. For example I for one suck at game like poker (especially against other human being [note I don't gamble for money I just play for fun or against a computer for fake money that is of no value] and I lose more in poker than i do in lock down. What did it teach me... nothing because like i said I played for fun or lost nothing of value. Now there are case where people toss there whole pay check on gambling which is one of the issues in real life but this is a game. Spiral knights as a game promote a lot of things which can be seen in both positive I negative ways. For example one can say is promote the use weapons (for example guns and the use of swords and explosives). People who take those to the next level end up using a gun by accident and the realize that there is no friendly fire or respond point in real life. Sure both of these case are more extreme and less common than what you stated but they still happen. You are right about being age appropriate though maybe we can add an age limit (doubt it would work since kids find it easy to lie about there age online). And by the way there already is gambling in the game ,Lock down you play and the winner get crowns and the loser doesn't. Dictionary definition of gambling is to stake or risk money, or anything of value, on the outcome of something involving chance. In away we gamble some time without noticing it. The point being, it a game it purpose is to be a cleaner and lighter version of something in real life with the sole purpose to entertain people.
Oh and hi Psycho ... Im trying to get use to this for stuff ty for being the first to reply
We all have are opinion and I respect your you put a lot of though and reasoning in to it.
After reading what i wrote I have no idea if it make sense. It also looks longer.
About that....
Paragraph your text. It's like a WALL out to get me O_O.
Paragraph it at each new idea to break it up, like how I do it. Believe it or not, it makes it easier to read.
Anyway, back on topic.
But you see, its the realism of the thing that adds to how influential it is.
SK is a game where you play as little midgets in armour who use non-existent weapons to kill non-existent creatures. And everything loos clea, no blood and stuff, and CUTE. Perfect for ALMOST everyone.
But games with realistic weapons, opponents, blood and gore...
Yeah... a bit too real, and some want to be able to experience it FOR REAL. And they THINK they can handle it. because of all the great things they can do in a game that is just as close to the real thing.
That WOULD be the dictionary definition of gambling, but there is a slight difference.
Taking a gamble is giving something of worth, and either getting something better back, or nothing/less.
An example of this is selling recipes. I buy the recipes, and put them on AH. If they DON'T sell, or they go for less then what I paid for them, then I'm making a loss. I took a gamble and I lost.
But THAT isn't quite gambling. That's more of taking a chance really.
This is the way LD works. Fight for your life in LD, and if you lose, then lose your money. But you barely notice the coming and going of your money, because you barely realize it's going in. You're taking a chance.
But what you suggest is ACTIVELY gambling. Actually betting an amount, realizing what the chances are of you winning, and probably losing. You said the game is supposed to make it less 'raw' as in less realistic. That's how things like LD work. You don't realize it, but you are participating in a highly 'diluted' form of gambling.
But with actively gambling, its as close as it gets to being real. Even cutening up the things won't work, because people probably do that IRL too.
And not everyone can tell the difference. There will be people who gamble on SK (if this is implemented), win big, think they have what it rakes, go IRL and try = EPIC FAIL.
Remember that SK has a large playerbase, and it can't afford to monitor each and every player to make sure they're the legit age to do this.
Hold on. Just got an idea.
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My proposal:
Why don't we try this the way they do In Megaman Battle network?
Here's how they do it. They have a machine they call the battle chip trader. Insert some battle chips, get one in return. However, the value of the chip varies, so it's value has a chance of being higher or lower than what you put in.
In SK context, you get a machine. Put materials and cr into the machine. Possibly add energy to increase the chances of getting something good.
Then something pops out. What that could be, I'll leave for others to decide. Weapons, materials, mist tank, cr pack, STUFF.
End proposal
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How's that? Less raw, but still pretty much what you're asking for.
My main reason for being against the original idea is because I don't think gambling should be encouraged. Lesser forms like LD and stuff don't hint to their users that they're actually GAMBLING. Its dulled down enough that they don't take notice of what they're doig, and so don't become actively involved in gambling. I've read and seen too many thing where gambling has ruined lives for people. Loss of money breaks up families, causes violence, drunkards, heck, doesn't even need to be gambling to see what desperate people can do.
So I want to try and not promote gambling in any OBVIOUS way. Smart people who can recognize what LD is (essentially, but not obviously) are probably smart enough NOT to fall victim to REAL gambling. But when it becomes real, raw, obvious, problems arise.
I seems that you have a lot of personal issues with gambling and some pretty much all has good logical reason in it but it is all an example when it is taken to the next stage abuse.
The are lots of thing that can be abuse either harmful materials to bad habits.
I know that there is a lot of people who ruin there live through gambling but that a when it is taken in abuse. The way i see gambling is another source of entertainment, a past time in a way and I've always preferred version in which real money is not lost (in this case crowns).
In no way do i wish to promote real gambling (in fact i never part take in any game, cards in specific, where real money is on the line).
You tend to have very negative (but very realistic and rational) view of gambling where I just view it as a game. You tend to worry about the mental effects that a casino might have on the younger players while I see that the game ratings in the U.S have some gambling game in either E for every one or T for teen so I never depicted it as harmful material (i'm not sure of how game are rated where you live though).
Now as for your proposal it only as clean or subliminal as you think it is. If you look at in one way its practically the spitting image of a slot machine where stuff goes in and stuff come out. It good though but i t has sue me capcom written all over it.
By what I read in your reply it more it seem that it is more of a personal issue that you have with implied meaning of my idea and if that is the case out respect and as friend I wont continue this conversation and if you want I will remove this thread (....um ......just tell me how to do that though though)
I tried breaking up my sentences by idea. Is it better?
I won't ask you to remove, it, that would be being a bit of a stick.
It's not so much a personal issue as a personal...I don't really know how to put it, because I don't have any personal experience with the results of problem gambling. I just read, listen and hear a lot of what comes out of it, so I do get overly worried.
And yeah, your sentences are a lot better. Thanks.
Its not so much 'get rid of this'. It can stay, it just needs a lot of tweaking. I can understand you don't wish to ACTUALLY promote gambling, but like you said, I tend to think of the worst. Bad habit of mine.
Also, with my idea, I guess you can say it's EXACTLY like a slot machine, but the thing is, you don't notice.
After thinking about it lots, yeah, you will realise what it really is, but as far as I can see (not very far unless I have my glasses on ><) not many people will notice. Like how punch Rolls UVs for people. Works almost the same way, but most players probably don't consider it gambling. (reminds me, POKEMON has a casino in it D:)
And Capcom can't sue me (No offence Capcom! I Luv your games!) because they didn't copyright the CONCEPT. Just the Battle chip trader.
Unless they put a replica of it from the game and label it with megaman icons, Capcom can't claim any right to it because the concept of a trader doesn't belong to them. The design does, but they can't claim copyright to the workings of it.
Anyway, lets move away from personal stuff. You got any compromised ideas? The Material trader is the best I can come up with so far.
Or are you gonna stick to your guns?
And can we haz other posters here!? My views aren't the ONLY ones! I'd like to hear some other POVS on this!!
Maybe we don't need a whole area in have dedicate to a casino, maybe we can make it a guild feature where you can has game table where you can play games.
Maybe spiral knight themed chess and checkers (like having devilite as pawns, pit boss as king Trojans as rooks etc) and maybe poker (definitely poker, I like poker, only reason I wanted casino in first place). And in every game you can choose to make a wager or some thing.
The idea material trader might no get sued if you make it completely different how it works. ( beside I want it to be pvp because OOO might exploit it some how).
You right we need other people to be on this thread we needz more suggestions.
Maybe i start a new thread ... Should Spiral knight have adds in order to drop ce prices and add mor features.
i love to play but it is not gambling when there is no real money involved if people start stealing then they have been playing wayy to much because this is a game not real life and the only way to steal is to hack some one and that is elegile
haha rename this thread "How to write a suggestion"
i like it. though i think you should only be able to make crowns.
aslo for anyone who says ":O this is a children's game" yea i played POTCO (pirates of the Caribbean online) and it had (http://piratesonline.go.com/#/players_guide/parlorgames/parlorgames_01.h...) . and its rated E10+
I like the mystery machine idea, this thread shouldn't die out. it could be a form of crown sink when new or veteran players want to reach for the stars.
Bland, I'm sorry, but stop necro'ing threads. Are you intentionally trying to make people MAD at you or something?
I'ma have a talk with you ingame about this.
Till then, you're going to really earn the rage of a lot of regulars around here. You don't want that.
Yeah, they even made a thread on him. That shows he's already on some people's hit list. If only I get him to stop, then maybe things'll return to normal with this Code Bland thing. Also, try NOT to be mad at him. He's only trying to fit in and be recognized, you see.
He's doing it the wrong way though.
Ok seriously, now I'm bumping this dead husk. Ah well, bumping zombies is fun; have you ever tried having a fight with a party member with just one mad zombie and your shield? Even funner then Lumball!
I'm not really a sporty person.
In any case, 'Code Bland' was in reference to 'Code Blue' I started back in the 'Blue' incident, where a certain poster was going rampant over the entire forum, posting videos everywhere, relevant or not and spamming suggestions threads with little/no grammar/thought etc behind them, inclusive of aggression towards those who didn't support his antics, supposedly in an attempt to be a 'cool troll'.
Granted, after 'Code Blue' his activity died down and his antics are now tolerable and severely less in number. I don't mean this personally; almost the whole forum was up in arms about it.
Bland here started out in a much similar way, so the others reacted the same was as with 'Code Blue'. Granted, he has toned down significantly since then, although the necroing of threads, varying from 'continue this discontinued idea' to 'I just wanted to say something to the people of on this dead thread' is somewhat irritating.
Do you know each other or something? 'cuz you seem to be taking this incident somewhat personally.
I know him a bit. He's just a bit fresh is all. (even if he sports 3* stuff)
I do remember that incident, and I got the reference too. (The barrel roll was funny, I do admit that)
I'll chat with em when I get home to a comp that CAN play the game.
Ohic. I getz it now.
But...Barrel roll...? I don't recall that...Remind me plox?
whatever. no point in discussing anything cause in then end you'll always see it your way.
"Casino mode in Haven"........ not "A casino in Haven"
It turns the players into slot machines and the snipes into roulette tables? "Casino mode activated!"
Or perhaps it lets you place bets on people? "I bet this guy is wielding a combuster!" and then it pays you crowns based on if your right?
Seems like it'd be a good idea up until the point that it'd be slightly unethical.
Once there was a user, Blandaxt was his name,
He did stupid things, and brought upon himself shame.
He had dumb ideas, and necroed old threads.
The others shouted at him to let the dead rest.
Blandaxt was naive, he did not understand
That his position was not ideal, it was not easy to defend.
The others would tell him to get the hell out,
But the oblivious Blandaxt would mindlessly spout:
"What is your problem? What did I do wrong?"
And I am quite sure this will go on for very, very long.
"whatever. no point in discussing anything cause in then end you'll always see it your way."
Obviously did not read the exchange between Mygmar and I.
"He had dumb ideas, and necroed old threads.
The others shouted at him to let the dead rest.
Blandaxt was naive, he did not understand
That his position was not ideal, it was not easy to defend."
The 2 pairs did not rhyme,
Or just bored out by time?
There should be a new forum section"games" to make GC barren -SIG=H
I truly like the Idea its like a way you can try to earn extra money when your low on cash off course you need to be lucky off course but i like the Idea!
But ofcourse we dont want to give kids a gambling adiction cause think abaut it we can buy energy with your mobile phone since kids dont really know how mobile paying goes there might be a chance kids take there parents cell phone and call for energy trade them for crowns and gamble the whole day long.
So I like the idea but it isnt good to give children at this age a way to gamble online.
The problems is..
--> Lose all your money when lose.
--> So many immature player play Spiral Knight.
--> Spiral Knight is about skill and fighting.. how come it will have Casino?
THINK OF THE CHILDEREN!
THINK OF THE JAPANESE BAN OF GAMBLING GAMES!
THINK OF THE PROTECTIVE MUMS!
THE MUMS!
Also, Blandaxt, why?
This is a game for 13+ year olds. Do you really think actively promoting gambling on a widely played video game is a good idea? Especially with all the talk of problem gamblers who take things to the next level.
Stuff like:
-Higher bets (Property, cash, possessions, family even)
-Violence (Need more oney, beat people for it. Take out frustration on family)
-Robberies (Need more money to gamble, so rob people for it.)
-Drunkness (to relieve stress, but can cause Family violence, crashes, general violence etcetcetc...)
THESE problems appear IRL, but by promoting gambling in a game like this played my lots of developing kids, it conditions their minds over time to be willing to take that gamble, because it's 'fun' and they may 'win big'.
Sorry, but I will always vote against any active form of gambling promotion.
I'm not saying you're promoting it INTENTIONALLY, but that's what this will do.
Oh and hey Scrol /wave.
But I still don't think it's a good idea :/ Sorry.