I would like to know what gun would go best with a Freezing Vaporizer bomb. My general strategy would be freeze with bomb, kill with gun. I looked at the different handguns and thought that one of the autoguns could complement the bomb best (enemies are frozen, so aim and batter away), but I've heard several differing opinions about the autoguns. Armor I will probably use is the Volcanic Demo line for the CTR on the bomb.
Best gun with the Freezing Vaporizer?
Sun, 12/25/2011 - 20:09
Mon, 12/26/2011 - 08:14
#2
I know how freeze works
That's why I was thinking autogun, because those are really fast.
Mon, 12/26/2011 - 08:39
#3
If enemies start to corner
If enemies start to corner you, autogun is not the best to run way, i would go with something that can give you space in case the bombing goes wrong.
Also what other weapons do you have? just freeze bomb and autogun is not the best all around combo.
Mon, 12/26/2011 - 09:19
#4
piercing, elemental, shadow
Most haze-style bombs are very slow at killing things. So you need your gun for killing. But if your gun is piercing, then it won't kill slimes or constructs very well. If your gun is elemental, then it won't kill beasts or gremlins well. If your gun is shadow, then it won't kill fiends or undead well.
A weapon setup with a gun and a haze-style bomb (and nothing else) is quite unusual. Unless you're certain about what monsters you're going to be facing, you need the gun to be normal damage.
I find your idea interesting. The way to make it practical is to get a third weapon slot, and carry two guns with your bomb. Make the guns two different non-normal damage types.
Mon, 12/26/2011 - 09:21
#5
hmmm
This is just some theorycrafting based on my experiences, but:
I would say that the best gun to combo with Freezing Vaporizer is the Catalyzer series. Freeze a large clump of monsters, apply charges(doesn't break freeze), wait for freeze to break on its own(extra damage), bring the monsters together slowly via kiting, and then activate the charges.
It's still quite slow and won't work on several types of monster groups(T3 gremlin menders might outheal the damage, T3 wolvers will dodge even while frozen, and this also will have limited effectiveness on devilites, greavers, and of course all freeze-themed monsters), but if you MUST go with this two-weapon system including a freezing vaporizer, this is probably your best bet.
Mon, 12/26/2011 - 10:40
#6
The thing is, I'm trying for
The thing is, I'm trying for a Gunner/Bomber setup, where they complement each other. I'm only going to have 2 weapon slots because no way am I gonna buy something with real life $ that's not permanent. I though a Freeze bomb and a gun would go well together because you could freeze them, then finish them off with gun, but I'm open for other gunner/bomber combos.
Mon, 12/26/2011 - 10:58
#7
weapon slot upgrade
You don't need to spend real life money, to get a third weapon slot. You just need to save up 250 CE. At current prices, that's as little as 15,000 crowns. Depending on how you earn your money, that is either less than one day of play (FSC) or a few days of play (RJP).
Edit: And because people often use ME to buy trinket slot upgrades and weapon slot upgrades, you can get these for dramatically cheaper than the retail price, if you look around. Check the Auction House. Three weapon slots is not hard to achieve.
Mon, 12/26/2011 - 11:18
#8
Alright, then what would be a
Alright, then what would be a good Gunner/bomber loadout with 3 weapon slots?
Mon, 12/26/2011 - 11:47
#9
Shivermist Buster is not
Shivermist Buster is not recommended because it contributes very little damage, and it will take a long time for you to kill things. A gun/bomb setup I recommend is:
Primary bomb: Ash of Agni, or Voltaic Tempest for Fire-themed floors (total CTR Very High or better)
Primary gun: Elemental alchemer, or Umbra Driver (or Biohazard)
Secondary: Piercing sword, or the other alchemer (optional, but will help a lot)
This setup covers all your bases with just five weapons. Anything you can't cook with AoA, you can fry with VT. As the enemies are cooking, you can help them to their demise with the appropriate gun. Your main weakness will be beasts, particularly Fire-themed ones because beasts seem to be resistant to shock as well. This is where the piercing sword comes in- you can also substitute with a piercing bomb like Dark Briar Barrage or Radiant Sun Shards.
Mon, 12/26/2011 - 12:31
#10
That seems like a good
That seems like a good loadout, and here's what I'm thinking now:
Ash of Agni, like you said, or the Voltaic Tempest for fire floors
Nova Driver, not sure about what Alchemer, but it seems like the pure damage one would be best option (I might want Silversix if the changes go through)
Flourish, I'm thinking just the regular Flourish line
Also, is there a particular shield that would go best with this?
Mon, 12/26/2011 - 13:20
#11
sounds good
A setup of piercing sword, elemental gun, and bomb sounds great.
If you want to avoid swords (there is no practical reason to, but some people like doing unusual things, just for fun) then you can certainly replace the piercing sword with a piercing gun or a shadow gun. Or even the piercing bomb, Dark Briar Barrage. But of these the piercing sword is probably easiest to master.
The Grey Owlite Shield line is probably the most popular, and there's a reason. It gives normal and elemental protection (probably the most important protections, for a shield) and two important statuses.
Mon, 12/26/2011 - 19:12
#12
I have a shield of the skelly
I have a shield of the skelly line and it is great because i have 4 status protections ( poison, freeze, UV max shock and UV fire low ). Since people tend to do FSC for money when there is cool gear already, in there the shadow dmg is the most common, so why the hell people take a elemental shield to there?
Also, Dark briar barrage or a nitronome just rocks.
I have a gunner/bomber setup with:
-A haze-style bomb or my electron vortex;
-Nitronome or DBB ( depending if the depth has fiends or beasts )
-Nova driver ( UV undead med ) ;
-Umbra driver ( UV gremlin high ).
ARMOR:
-A volcanic demo helm;
-deadshot mantle.
I also use a trinket for med dmg for guns. All together gives me undead med for bombs, undead max for nova driver, gremlin ultra for umbra driver!
About catalyzer line, i had a 3* poison one and killing gremlins took a while because i needed to shoot in from front of them or while they prepared a big heal... I got myself a umbra driver with uv against them and i kill both jellys and gremlins with just a few shots!
Mon, 12/26/2011 - 20:51
#13
@Tiagolima
The reason for elemental defence is because of Vanaduke's attack do Elemental. Also the Gun Puppies there. Zombies are no trouble.
Tue, 12/27/2011 - 00:38
#14
@Tiagolima
The main reason
@Tiagolima
The main reason people take owlite for FSC is that fire is the most dangerous thing in FSC, so you want some fire resistance. The only shadow + fire shield is Crest of Almire, which require to do FSC in the first place, so that's not an option.
Vanaduke is by far the most difficult thing, with trojans, so you want to optimize for that. Both their regular attacks are normal only, so there is no point taking shadow. And as Atrumvindex said, Vanaduke special attack (shadowfire) do elemental damage. Also, the direct damage from going into fire (not the fire damage ticks) is elemental.
And as said Atrumvindex, zombies are easy. An owlite is plenty enough to sustain some zombie hits.
The one problem is after the first shot from a gun the enemy would be unfrozen.