Spiral Knights - Antigua/Crystal Bomb damage change suggestion thread

Antigua/Crystal Bomb damage change suggestion thread

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Wed, 12/28/2011 - 21:01

Nicoya-Kitty

So the word over in the Arsenal forum is that the antigua line guns and the crystal line bombs might soon be going to pure damage rather than split special. That thread has a lot of good comments about why it should or shouldn't happen, but I figured that having a separate, well-formatted suggestion thread might be of benefit too, to express just how we'd like to see the weapons change.

To make things easy on the devs, try to stick to a straightforward format, like so:

Weapon Type: [shadow/piercing/elemental] [gun/bomb]
Replaces: [RSS/ISB/Sentenza/AP] or adds a new line
Buffs: [damage vs monster/status infliction]
Discussion: [why the above makes sense]

My picks:

Weapon Type: Elemental Gun
Replaces: AP
Buffs: Damage vs Fiend
Discussion: Damage vs Fiend would at least partially make up for moving from effective (piercing/elemental) to neutral (pure elemental) against that monster class, so would upset current owners the least.

Weapon Type: Piercing Gun
Replaces: Add a new antigua line
Buffs: Chance to freeze
Discussion: Currently there's only one freeze-status gun line (ignoring the frost gun), and it sucks because the ricochets break its own freeze

Weapon Type: Shadow Gun
Replaces: Sentenza
Buffs: Damage vs Gremlin
Discussion: Mender sniping, 'nuff said.

Weapon Type: Elemental Bomb
Replaces: RSS
Buffs: Damage vs Slime
Discussion: The RSS is the bomber's gun, making quick work of gun puppies and howlitzers, but currently ineffective against polyps. Switching to elemental and adding the Damage vs Slime would cover all three types very nicely.

Weapon Type: Piercing Bomb
Replaces: Add a new crystal bomb line
Buffs: Damage vs Fiend
Discussion: The slightly less common use for the RSS is against trolljans and greavers, which this weapon should be highly effective against.

Weapon Type: Shadow Bomb
Replaces: Ionized Salt Bomb
Buffs: Chance to shock, and fix the goddamn charge time
Discussion: The ISB is the bomb of regret, bearing the unique status of being the only piece of equipment in the game where "upgrading" represents a measurable regression in usefulness, not to mention the absurdity of a piercing weapon having a slime bonus. Nobody is going to shed a tear over this radical change, which would make this bomb into a delight to use in RJP and in Lockdown.

Wed, 12/28/2011 - 22:49

Triplescrew

Weap type: Normal gun Fixez :

Weap type: Normal gun
Fixez : Iron Slug
Buffs added :1) pushback to normal shots ( about 1,2 squares),
2) pushback and greater explosion to charged attack ( heard people wunt some rocketlaunchers ),
3) kickup possibility on end T2 -T3 ( maybe 50% ) Kickup = kicking lesser wolwers/menders up , preventing g-puppies/polyps from firing , kicking gremlins down (as my mega mag does) and such...

Wed, 12/28/2011 - 23:03

Nicoya-Kitty

@Triplescrew Cool idea bro,

@Triplescrew Cool idea bro, but this thread is specifically about the developers' proposed changes to the Antigua and Crystal bomb lines.

The Iron Slug certainly could use a buff, and I'd encourage you to make a new thread outlining your vision for it.

Wed, 12/28/2011 - 23:32

The-Rawrcake

"Discussion: Mender sniping,

"Discussion: Mender sniping, 'nuff said."

You said discussion so I'll get into it sorry :D. Callahan > a shadow gun that fires fast velocity any day on grems in my opinion: less than 4 player group even in tier 3 = no healing menders because they are locked out of doing anything besides being knocked down, as well as stun on occasion. 2-shot, so hits them dodgers before they dodge and packs a good amount of damage.

But a fast firing gun will break mender bubbles faster so

"only one freeze-status gun line (ignoring the frost gun), and it sucks because the ricochets break its own freeze"

Sometimes a bullet will actually not break the freeze entirely I notice, but it can be a pain I definately agree. There is a way though to use the cryotech to where you freeze a mob - ignore it - freeze another mob - ignore it - repeat while kiting. But the reason I think this freeze chance on a new pure pierce antigua is a great idea is because antigua series have absolutely no utility, and it would make killing dodgers with them much, much easier as well as sometimes even make swordsman happy that you shot a devilite.

Freeze definately does not over power it in the slightest.

And sorry know nothing about bombs.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 00:00

Nicoya-Kitty

@The-Rawrcake I'm actually

@The-Rawrcake I'm actually building a Callahan just for mender sniping so I definitely know where you're coming from. I think having more than one option would be nice though, and given that gremlins dodge and slimes don't the damage buff would be more useful on that side since you'll be landing fewer shots.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 22:45

Huhbum

RE: ISB

Honestly, the primary thing holding ISB back is its ridiculously long charge time compared to RSS.

Yes, it has a redundant damage bonus and its typing is less than optimal. However, if you saw its charge time adjusted to be the same as RSS, you'd see people spam the bejesus out of it in LD. Shock on a shard bomb is not to be underestimated(and, isn't the shard range on ISB larger than RSS? Not sure, I'd love to test it for kicks).

I could live with the Normal/Piercing type(with or without Slime bonus) if only the charge time was reduced. Heck, you could make it pure Normal and I'd be happy as a tomato in sauce.

Sat, 12/31/2011 - 00:01

Nicoya-Kitty

@Huhbum The charge time is

@Huhbum The charge time is definitely the biggest problem with the ISB, no doubt. I feel that a shadow damage ISB, however, would be a great improvement since most people suckered into crafting an ISB probably did so in hopes of having a slime-killing machine, not realizing that the piercing damage type makes it useless for that (I've had to stop more than one friend from going down that path), and similarly with the prevalence of skolver in LD a pure shadow bomb would do more damage more frequently.

Also, in the context of T2 lockdown, the RSB is overshadowed by the Sun Shards due, again, to the prevalence of Dusker armor (protects against pierce/normal which exactly matches RSB, but only 50% of Sun Shards as it is currently) and the RSB doesn't have the chance to shock that the ISB does.

A shadow ISB in the clockworks, meanwhile, would be an awesome gremlin and slime killing machine. I don't believe gremlins can dodge fast enough to avoid crystal bomb projectiles, and of course jellies and lichens just sorta sit there and eat damage anyway. It would also reintroduce sharding RJ, which got terribly nerfed when his royal pinkness got (rightly) turned into a normal slime-class monster.

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