How is it possible some people are using full two star equipment in Tier 1 Lockdown? They didn't allow inspect, but they had full wolver set as well as a flourish. It didn't seem like a bug as they were definitely hitting for 2 hearts each hit.
Using 2-star equipment in Tier 1 Lockdown?
Sat, 12/31/2011 - 23:29
Sat, 12/31/2011 - 23:48
#2
There was a thread recently
There was a thread recently about sightings of T3 geared players in T1 LD, this is probably the same bug.
Sat, 12/31/2011 - 23:49
#3
Ah, I should've clarified, I
Ah, I should've clarified, I meant bug as in like it was their costume or something. But yeah, I assumed as much that they were just abusing a glitch.
Sat, 12/31/2011 - 23:50
#4
It was a hacker
A while back, some 5* noob hacked/exploited the game and joined T1 LD with a Gran Faust and full Vog Cub. This is likely the same thing.
Sat, 12/31/2011 - 23:53
#5
Is there somewhere to report
Is there somewhere to report players abusing this exploit? Is it even worth reporting them?
Sat, 12/31/2011 - 23:58
#6
REPORT THEM, no matter what
If they got in a lower tier by accident and didn't have the decency to quit and send a bug report, then they automatically count as glitch abusers and deserve to be banned.
If they got in a lower tier on purpose by consciously exploiting a bug, then it's pretty obvious.
* * *
There should be a way to report these players in the "Complain" tab. If there isn't, call them out on the forums and post a screenshot of the guy using inappropriate gear.
Sun, 01/01/2012 - 00:38
#7
Use the "other" section of
Use the "other" section of the complaint thingie and report them for exploiting.
Also lol, even with overpowered gear he still sucks:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/nicoya/screenshot/596958051248519602?tab=pu...
http://steamcommunity.com/id/nicoya/screenshot/596958051248530022?tab=pu...
It's a shame, too, 'cause up until he showed up I was having some pretty fun games:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/nicoya/screenshot/596958051248513753?tab=pu...
Sun, 01/01/2012 - 00:56
#8
LOL
How come all these hackers suck complete ass even though they're practically boosting on lower tiers than their gear should be in?
Sun, 01/01/2012 - 01:16
#9
yea, he got me too. He's also
yea, he got me too. He's also bragging that his main is banned, and he's using his cousins character.
@Nicoya, that battle from the last screenie was literally the best LD fight I've had. I can't believe we came back from that. Nothing but sharks, baby. No guppies in that arena.
Sun, 01/01/2012 - 01:33
#10
@Metagenic Probably because
@Metagenic Probably because if they didn't suck they wouldn't have to hack.
@Tengu It was definitely one of my better games, swinging my hatchet like a madman. I'm glad I had you on my team!
Sun, 01/01/2012 - 01:43
#11
haha, Tengu and Nicoya, Nj
haha, Tengu and Nicoya, Nj and I came across the same guy (___-Yellow(who was a captain with a supposed main who was a Sargent) who was using the same excuse; we just trolled him telling him how bad he was that he can get wrecked by 'noobs' in t1 and made him lose every game by not participating and rallying the rest of the team not to when we were on his side=p They are quite horrible at the game aren't they? lolol.
Either way this guy is a serial Bug exploiter.
Sun, 01/01/2012 - 02:05
#12
yea, he's got the toothpick
yea, he's got the toothpick step-thing down that I can't hang with.
I connected a lot on him. I think he's got the HP to take anything a T1 player has one on one, tho. I imagine he's pretty screwed in multiple pro player situations, or against someone with any sort of competitive gear.
grrr he's also using a swift flourish. Piercing in a T1 game.
I think he was trying to reason with me that since I killed his brother or something yesterday, and his brother had a calibur, that means that somehow he should be able to wear exploited gear. I told him "well, if we're playing the what-if game, it's lucky I didn't pop in with my 2 pentas, ancient plate and my bombs."
I ended up on his team and didn't..do much. I went guardian/recon and tried to support the other players on our team.
Sun, 01/01/2012 - 04:11
#13
@Tengu, with Spiral Scale
@Tengu, with Spiral Scale Helm and Armour you can have a decent piercing defence on T1.
I use level 10 Spiral Scale Helm on T1 Lockdown - I wish I meet this cheater one day :-D
With his lack of skills and elemental defence I'd have a good fun with my Static Flash and Static Edge.
Sun, 01/01/2012 - 05:27
#14
spotted the same guy
I spotted this guy tonight too. He said he didn't need any trinkets, and then proudly switched into his t2 wolver/piercing set. We were a bit distracted while we were reporting him. He still managed to lose.
Sun, 01/01/2012 - 16:21
#15
in T1, you shouldn't even be
in T1, you shouldn't even be worrying about piercing defense. None of the swords do piercing, and if any of the guns do, it's inconsequential in DPS. A Flourish, or in his case a Swift Flourish, is stupid-overpowered and completely unfair.
Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:48
#16
@Tengu Some people use Spiral
@Tengu Some people use Spiral Scale Helm since it's the only 1* helmet that doesn't have a status weakness (emberbreak/circuit breaker/frostbreaker are each weak to the other 2/3), while the circuit breaker armor is popular because it's mysteriously missing the fire and freeze weakness. But no, there are no weapons 1* or lower that do piercing (or shadow for that matter) damage.
Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:06
#17
Tell me, is it fair for T3
Tell me, is it fair for T3 players to storm in T1 LD games with ASI UV's and love trinkets, having triple health the others have? This guy is a dick and deserved to be banned for sure, but dont u guys talk about fairness...Sure you guys are not breaking any rules, but for me u and that cheater are in the same boat.
Love trinkets are fine for T3 LD, less in T2 and ridiculous in T1. Shudnt be. This is not in the spirit of a newbie PVP. How noobs that just ve started the game are supposed to know about these trinkets? Or to afford them, sure its cheap for us, but not for them. It's not in their priority list. The only pple with Love Trinkets in T1 are actually 4/5* players. It's even the case in T2...
That's very lame imo.
Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:26
#18
@ Omaroo
Using that logic
@ Omaroo
Using that logic everyone in T1 Should run around with unheated Proto gear.
Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:31
#19
U didnt understand the logic
U didnt understand the logic then...
Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:18
#20
@Omaroo I've made this
@Omaroo I've made this comment before in other threads, but the 1* heart trinkets are very easy to obtain, even for complete noobs. Worst case you only need to do 20 lockdown games (assuming you lose every one, and no krogmo bribes result in "free coin for everyone") and 2-3 T1 clockwork dives to get the mats and crowns needed to craft a pair of them. Alternately, a couple more clockwork runs will net you enough crowns to buy the enamorocks off the AH, so you don't even have to play a single game.
The trinket slots as well are very affordable, costing only 50CE each if you use your mist on days you're not playing.
All the rest of the equipment that I currently use in T1 can be had on the AH for around 3-500cr per piece.
You can match my entire loadout in basically one week of playing, without spending a single dime of real world money.
Perhaps your version of "noob friendly" is "I just installed the game 30 seconds ago for some steam coal and expect to be competitive in my first match after begging for 200cr in haven". If that's the case then, well, I've got bad news for you.
Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:21
#21
I've also ran into Cpt-Yellow
I've also ran into Cpt-Yellow this morning. Apparently, his main character, Sgt-Yellow, would be unbanned soon, he didn't mind getting banned. I opened a support request ticket to a GM and told them both of his accounts, so hopefully they will both be banned.
@Omaroo,
You're saying that just because it's POSSIBLE to PVP with starting gear, then everyone should not be using better gear? That's essentially what you're saying. If you're going to advocate not using heart trinkets for equality, then why would you allow some players to use starting gear, and some to have better gear? The "best" gear for T1 Lockdown is not expensive. Heating up gear takes time, sure, but if you're going to put in the effort, why do you not deserve an advantage? The same goes for all other aspects.
Not only with gear, but anyone who has advanced beyond T1, then return to it later, have a skill advantage. If you're going to start saying what should and should not be allowed in Lockdown tiers, then you might as well try and prevent higher tier players from jumping back down into lower tiers.
You also forget that the majority of players in T1 Lockdown are an influx of new players due to the Steam event. They don't care to play seriously. How often do you see T1 Lockdown games starting prior to the event? How often were they newbies that were just starting out, and were willing to shell out 200 crowns to play each time, if they had it?
Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:22
#22
what is there to not understand?
@ Omaroo
gaining an unfair advantage through gear and resources? or is there is more to your logic of T3 players doing this? Cause this game is funded by having an unfair advantage through buying currency, so your logic her compared to other games would be flawed.
That guy just simply broke the rules, T3 players are using their resources to gain an advantage (which is how Spiral Knights is being funded and kept alive)
if I'm wrong please shed some light on your logic.
Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:57
#23
I had this problem the other day.
I had this problem the other day, I was playing ld, and then all of a sudden on my next game, me and several other people ended up in a T1 game, I was confused, I think it has to do with the amount of people playing at one time, if there isn't room for enough of one tier or another.
Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:02
#24
I don't feel anyone has
I don't feel anyone has reason to complain about heart trinkets since they're now easily available, but you especially have no reason to complain about them in t1. Obtaining them costs no more than the slot they sit in. That's the price you pay to have an advantage that's available to all.
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:18
#25
@omaroo
Yea, I'm T3. Gear-wise, I'm very T3. I get the stuff I want, and can usually supply the money for gear with 1 of my many alts that craft for me.
My quest to get 2 penta-hearts for a little more life in T3 was finished after a week of a LOT of cr and CE spent, as well as a ton of T3 battles. It was exhausting and many times infuriating, as I just don't have the ability to compete in the tweaked Flourish league.
I say this because, as a whim, I tried out a T1 game and found out HUGE amounts of players there. So, I went to the AH.
Each piece cost me around 1500cr a piece, except for the heart pendants which cost 2300 and 2400, respectively. I built a decent T1 set for under 10kcr, and with my skills lay some serious numbers up on the damage board.
10kcr. You know how to get that? a few clockwork runs, or a run + that mist tank you get for free + a few 1 star craftings for yourself. Heck...spend 100me on one day, buy the recipes for 1 star equipment from Vatel, and the next day you build your armors, weapons, do some more runs, and then you're playing T1.
This isn't elitism dribbling down from T3. This is completely legal, cheaply accessible gear that will immediately put you eye-to-eye with the big boys for the cost of a 5* material.
Now, back to the subject at hand. It's one thing to be wearing heart pendants, it's another to show up with a subamachine gun to a knife-fight, and that's what Yellow is doing.
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 08:56
#26
Protip
Something that has a much bigger impact in T1 is number of kills. A single heart drops only for the one who delivers the killing blow to someone, and one heart is so much more in T1 than in T2/3. This makes it so that skill is rewarded much more in T1 because you can stay alive for much longer, and being a T3 player you (should) have more skill than the average T1 player.
Anyway, I just hope the steam thing is done soon, all the leavers ruin it for everyone.
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:09
#27
I believe they should change Lockdown to match with clearance.
If a person with all 5* gear but a 1 star*, they don't have acess to tier 2 since they dont have a recommended shield. Now I don't know how they use this exploit and I know that you have to have 0-1* to get in tier one....this is more of a problem in tier 3. All a person has to do is get one 4 star item and they get in TIER 3 lockdown, when they themselves do not have acess to tier 3 in the clockworks. But back on the topic.... yes they need to fix this, it is mean to own noobs through this :( , it needs to be fixed before other people learn how to do it aswell. Sure, tier 3 people will have more skill and possibly 1* heart pendants but 5* gear? That is just sad.
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:19
#28
...Is it affordable for a
...
Is it affordable for a beginner to get heated proto gear? Yeah.
Is it affordable for a beginner to buy say a Hot edge? Yeah.
These are enough to compete. Lots of noobs have both in T1.
Now is it affordable for them to pay 300 energy for trinkets? No.
Of course all of you are speaking with an experienced player's perspective, and yeah for us the cost is nothing. For me even 5* Love trinkets are cheap. Put yourself in the noob's shoes. I remember when I was a noob, there was no way I could pay for these, I mean if I ever had 300 CE I would buy 2* stuff. Even when I was a T2 player I was still thinking weapon and trinket slot were too expensive. And this goes for the majority of T2 players I knew/know. Hence why you rarely, if not never, see people in T2/T1 with accessories or extra weapon slot.
You guys keep saying it's cheap, no reason to complain about this, its affordable, blablabla...Let's see the facts, how many players in T1 Lockdown have Love Trinkets? Not many, and the ones who do wear them are advanced T3 players. This should make you understand, that in the reality, real noobs can't afford these, they don't think about it, when they spare money they upgrade to 2*. I dare you to prove the contrary.
You tell me, how do you feel about fairness when you're out there alone with noobs all having 1/3 or half your health? You feel proud beating the crap out of them? You justify yourself by saying it can be bought easily? Well "I've some bad news for you" -.- . If it could, they would. They don't so that means you're wrong somehow.
See the edge that guy has over them with a piercing blade? The gap is as a big between noobs and that freaking cheater than between you people with love trinkets and fresh starters. In the end there's no differences, both make games completely unbalanced. Of course one has to be banned. The others, well, if they feel good about this, whatever.
Obviously Love trinkets should only be available for T3 players, like the modules are. That's my humble opinion.
Strangely this update only made things worse in T2/T1 but slightly better in T3.
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:21
#29
Let me put it in a different
Let me put it in a different way... if buying energy to get 'overpowered stuff' doesnt give any adavantage, how would OOO get money?
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:38
#30
There's nothing more
There's nothing more overpowered in Lockdown then having dubble the health or three time the others have.
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:47
#31
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Dude, I'm PRETTY sure that you can't use anything higher than a 1* trinket in Lockdown, UNLESS abusing that glitch which allows higher tier gear to be used in the lower tiers (Which I have NO idea whatsoever on how it works, so don't ask) In which case the average player can EASILY obtain them.
Step 1: play LD/BN lots -> Get 10 Krogmo coins
Step 2: Buy an Enamorock
Step 3: Make sure you have all the other materials
Step 4: Craft a Heart Pendant with 10 mist
Step 5: Equip it and beam proudly at your 1 extra bar of health.
I don't use trinkets, so I can't say too much. But for you to be grouping these players with a cheat? That's a bit harsh.
Things like UV's obtained via punch or luck are legitimate upgrades. People pay for them to better improve the effectiveness of their weapons. What you imply is that it's a bit mean for players to get better things that make it easier to beat those who can't fight back.
Hm...let me see...T2 wolvers were tough game for my Dusker set and Tempered Calibur, UV vs Beast Med (obtained by sheer luck) and Snarble barb, but it did make it a LOT easier when I got my Twisted snarble barb; I was barely scratched.
Look dude. These guys aren't trying to pummel new players into the ground BECAUSE THEY CAN. They just want to fight the good fight and win. If they were as sadistic as you say they are, then they WOULD find the glitch, and WOULD pop all their most powerful weapons and armour to DEMOLISH all of the opposition.
True, I am still T2 (even though I FINALLY got my 4* set, I'm still not cleared), so it is true I have NEVER used trinkets, or any such ce bought upgrades, but they aren't lying when they say the Pendants are affordable.
And who says the course of the game has to do with gear alone? I played in T2 LD, and was completely RIPPED TO SHREDS by ONE player. He had a Swift flourish and I couldn't take him out even ONCE.
Doubtless, he had a heart Trinket somewhere, but he was fast, he stuck hard, and I was left dead before I realised that I had been killed by the same guy 5 times.
My team of 5 got DOMINATED by just 2 people once. Likewise, they were fast and tough as well. End score was somewhere around 80-500.
Bringing a sniper rifle to a knife fight, as long as it isn't against the rules, isn't as unfair as you think, especially when there are other sniper rifles sitting around for the pistol people to pick up.
TL;DR
Have even ONE equip higher than 1*, and you're not in T1 LD any more. Saying it's unfair that these T3 players are popping Penta pedants and screwing over T1 players is as far as I know, and invalid argument. Even if I equip a T3 SHIELD with 1* armour/weapons, I'll end up in T3 LD, last I checked.
Gear doesn't always matter as well. I took out a guardian and a Striker in Frostbite at the same point once (the point closest to enemy camp) and guarded it for over half the match. I had no UV/upgrades on anything. Right strategy, right time, no super-skilled players to oppose me.
DUH it's a little unfair, seeing as they would have the advantage. That's the same thing Newbies will think when they get invited to T2 hand get pounded by the monsters. Then they learn about upgrading, UVs, trinkets, and are armed and ready next time.
My wake up call came in FSC while I was T2....that hurt....badly.
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:12
#32
>Now is it affordable for
>Now is it affordable for them to pay 300 energy for trinkets? No.
>Step 4: Craft a Heart Pendant with 10 mist
When do you ever need 300 energy for T1 LD?
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:19
#33
2 days (200 mist) and 100 CE
2 days (200 mist) and 100 CE (approx 5800cr) gets you 2 trinket slots. 50 more mist, 1000 cr, various mats you should be able to find in the time you're getting said 1000cr, and anywhere from 4-20 lockdown games (depending on luck of bribes and if you win) gets you everything for the T1 armor, a weapon, and 2 heart trinkets.
"There's nothing more overpowered in Lockdown then having dubble the health or three time the others have."
No, there's nothing more "overpowered" then knowing what you're doing. As I personally proved to somebody that was saying people using trinkets had no skill, took mine off next match and stomped his team again... ironically while him and 2 others were using trinkets.
PvP is competitive play, you use the best that is allowed. For T1 that means anything 0-1*, it does not mean that you can go in with Proto and expect to win. Sure you might, but odds are you won't. And just by having heated armor you double the health you have in T1 as a Striker... does that mean we should all be required to use unheated gear? So it's "fair".
~Gwen
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:26
#34
wait, where does it say that
wait, where does it say that T1 is for noobs only? I've seen good players leave T3 and go to T2 due to lack of funds and lack of connection. myself included. T1 is easy to get into by noobs, sure. What makes you think someone with half-heated proto has a place in PvP? IMO, the PvP situation in SK is actually more fair than other PvPs I've seen in other games, as there's no skills or character levels to worry about, only gear-based UVs and heat.
I remember back in the EQ days of guys deleveling themselves to fight lvl 10s with all their skills intact. I also know that when I was playing Pocket Legends, people would spend more money on PvP gear than they would end-game epic gear. 250k gold for a lvl55 Scarab bow, and 750k for a lvl10 Forest chain shirt.
I'm sure WoW, which I never played, had analogs of that too.
PvP has never been a noob zone.
Having said that, you can fully equip a T1 destroyer suit for 10k, and trinket slots go for far less in the AH than 150ce. Instead of a couple T1 runs, you'll have to do a weeks worth, in which you can still be joining in T1 LD and earning krogmo coins.
Lemmee point out something else; everyone showing up in Proto in T1? they're looking for the snowball achievement. A quick mouseover shows a wacky keyboardvomit name and no guild, and lo and behold, they quit mid-game. Why do they quit? Do they get owned too quick? Maybe. They'll either quit LD for a while and build up some gear, or they'll uninstall.
Hey, we're doing the forums a favor. We're ragequitting them before they get a chance to login here and complain about CE prices. Either that, or they get better. Maybe, god forbid...they'll actually play the clockworks.
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:28
#35
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So it's okay for a random T2 player to come and try to smite newbies? What if Roarmulus appeared in a Snarby fight? (May be a bit too drastic)
Or T2 Retrodes to appear in place of what you thought would be a bunch of zombies? Things like that SHOULDN'T occur for obvious reasons. Bringing a sniper rifle to a knife fight in this case is against the rules (for using a glitch in your favor) and because there aren't any "other sniper rifles" in the place. If the 5* Shield is keeping you from T1, unequip it. Imagine someone is capable of bringing a BTB or Gran Faust into that T1 fight. If it's One on One, and if the person has the skill to even use it, you're doomed. You were not prepared for some hacker to bring a weapon that you cannot defend yourself against. This is sad. The thing is, for newbies to enter high tiers, they shouldn't be there in the first place. Maybe they wanted a taste, but often this is not an accident, and they knew what they were getting into. For this, Protosword vs. 3* Flourish, you wearing Proto, he's wearing Dusker, you're up against someone you shouldn't have fought in the first place. If you happen to bring a brand new Calibur to T1, but are put into T2, that's so you won't pound on T1's anymore. If it's really a problem and you want to revert, get another sword.
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:41
#36
Talking about fairness
No, it's not okay for T2 gears player to come at T1 lockdown. It's a bug and been reported. But, it's just solid fine for advanced players to have solid T1 gears for T1 lockdown. @omaroo The logic goes like this... on any mmo games, you're given newbie armor and newbie weapon, then you expect it that you can win on PvP type game? Also, they don't even notice a level 5 proto set would give +2 hp, that would be a change for striker job from 2 health bar to 4 health bar. Double HP.
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:42
#37
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@Tengu
It's Newbie-accessible. That's why some fights may be easier- skill varies. Not everyone in T1 is a T2er or T3er. Again, if they enter PvP, it's their problem, but it's not fair to have them slammed by a hacker. It's like inviting Vanaduke to the T1 Clockworks to make sure new players quit before anything happens. Maybe they'll grow up, but it's not okay to make 'em rage. It's a person exploiting glitches in the system. What if someone came out of no where and started to kill you in haven, and you can't retaliate, and you must use energy to revive? Or someone's infinite selling items and not letting go of the item but still taking the money? Maybe the elevator won't let you go into the T3 Clockworks, but still taking your 500 crowns every time you click the button? Shows you to not waste crowns, huh? Invincible Vanaduke in first phase teaches you not to mess with the big guy.
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:48
#38
I never mentioned anything of
I never mentioned anything of what you said Psycho. I'm taling about 1* trinkets and nore did I mention gear prevails over skill (as long as any are involved in this game).
Yet you gotta admitt, T1 Lockdown is made for newbies. It's already hard for them to face an advanced player who knows more about the game mechanics, but apparently it's not enough, they have to beat someone that experienced and having twice their health?
"What you imply is that it's a bit mean for players to get better things that make it easier to beat those who can't fight back."
It's not a bit mean, it's completely unfair, it's vicious. I already said how these trinkets are not affordable for noobs. You never see a real newbie with it in T1 lockdown. Never. Nm, maybe one out of 100. So it means that somehow these trinkets are not affordable for them unlike what you're all stating. They're not in the logic of a Newbies PVP. That's my point.
Why you think it's alright to take your way to the victory like that? Wining against people, who have no ideas why you won't die after hitting u ten time? For [frak] sake, as I said, most of them are not even aware of these trinkets. And even if they were, they are not having the financial capacities nore it's in their priorities to craft them.
Now I dunno why you're talking about PVE to justify all this, cause this doesnt hurt any player, just the monsters, so that's out of topic.
But if people are ok with this, fine. Have fun beating beginners not standing a chance to hurt you. That's the spirit<3
@Mewmew...etc
Alright you don't need trinket slots to go with? Instead of trying to counter me blindly because you don't like what I say, try to think a bit before posting.
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:59
#39
I can and have beaten trinket
I can and have beaten trinket users in T1 LD without using trinkets myself
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 14:11
#40
newb here
I'm relatively new to LD, having just started about 3 weeks ago. Tier 3 was impossible for me to get into straight away. Tier 2 was a bit easier, still tricky though. So I gave Tier 1 a shot, to hone my skills. I quickly realized that I needed some heart trinkets to stay competitive. So now I'm a bad person for keeping up with everyone else? They enticed me into playing LD, I complied and bought some in-game items and I'm now in the same "boat" as someone that has discovered a method in which to load his T2 gear in a T1 match? The equipment, like heart trinkets, was "possible" for me to acquire - and it in NO way has made me stop playing. I had assumed that it would've inspired those that were being destroyed by me, to get some heart trinkets for themselves, or at least heat up their 1 star equips. I also assumed that what I was doing, was what I was SUPPOSED to be doing. To read that people are opposed to this idea of bettering their equipment is frustrating. I followed the leader, now I'm in a "boat" with an obvious cheater? I would think that our boat is a row boat, and his was a speed boat. Can't really compare the two.
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 14:11
#41
@GwenSo long for repeating
@Gwen
So long for repeating the same statements over and over. You explain me then why it's common to see newbies in T1 with heated armor and even 1* weapons but none with trinkets? Don't you understand one is easily affordable and the other is not, no matter what you say, the facts are there.
I'm sure when you were a newbie, your priorities were to get dubble trinket slots instead of uprading to 2* stuff right?
Now I dunno If I should take time to answer seriously seeing how you're considering skill so important in this game? You realize you're playing a child game with almost no skill involved, right? Anyways, you're right, having some experience rather then 'skill' is crucial to win in T3 PVP (I personnaly suck at LD), even in T2, but in T1 you mostly have newbies who play occasionnaly when they running out of mist, how do you think these people seeing how little they played the game have a clue about "knowing what they're doing". They can't play Lockdown all day like you guys can, add to this the non-affordable (yes they're not for them) love trinkets, and you may understand my point.
@Tengu
Well it's full of newbies. It's not exclusive to them but yeah, it has been made so they can play PVP as well in fair circumstances. It was pretty fair until the love trinkets update. Now it's always the same, one T3 guy shows up, destroys all the noobs, wins...So much for fairness.
If you're looking for fun by doing this, I hope so at least, what is so funny in [destroying] newbies? Serious question.
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 14:39
#42
Who said I was having fun? I
Who said I was having fun? I want krogmo coins. I take no joy in dismantling a teams worth of noobs. I DO take certain pleasure in destroying Steam achievement hunters, and running in and smashing the snowballs out of their hands gives me a distinct happiness in my heart. I have also found joy in reaaaallllly good games in T1; the best PvP I've ever had.
Do you think the noobs you're standing up for in T1 want to be there? No. Those noobs want to get their achievement and uninstall. I watch them say as much in the pre-fight foyer, whining about snowballs and how boring the game is. They use profane language because as soon as they get their achievement, they leave for good.
These noobs aren't gonna play SK. They aren't bring money in, as they burn off their mist on bribes and never return. They don't know how to shield. They don't know how to attack. They don't have the slightest interest in learning either.
These aren't noobs, Omaroo. They're something far worse. Real noobs attempt to fight, attempt to learn, and attempt to upgrade...as is something you do in competition.
I don't have fun slaughtering noobs. When the score hits 250 to 0, I simply stop and sit down. I try to stop my team from spawncamping. If there was a way to speed up the win process, I would. I try and be as chivalrous as I can in LD.
You can complain up and down about the heart tokens, but why aren't you complaining about the KC-only recipes and items? T3 wouldn't be packed with skolver/skolver/ff/penta/slash modules if it didn't somehow speed the game up a bit one way or another, or if people didn't like destroying their competition. WIth only one outlet to get these items, you better believe people are going to make sure they can get it done fast.
I'm in a tier that allows me to 1) win a lot, insuring quicker recipe purchasing 2) allows for a high level of competition between good players 3) allows me to say "bribe = snowballs" and have the non-players believe me.
Also, at this point you're obviously belaboring your point for trolling. You're wrong and you know it.
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 14:57
#43
i use trinks
oom, did you read what the other people wrote about 1* trinket costs? also, its not all noobs in t1. from what i hear in t3, its about who has the better connection, and who hit first. in t1, to quote nicoya kitty, its a noodle slapping game. One good player does not mean insta-win. It only means that if ur teammates are smart enough to notice the absence of enemies, they go cap points. I have been on both sides, and i hope you know how hard it is to hold 3 points solo.
@Nicoya, tengu, and fallout: you guys gave me some real fun lockdown games the first day i started playing. and i also learned how to fight better. thank you guys :D
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 15:15
#44
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@Tengu
We were all newbies once. How are you to be sure these new ones are not going to become like you, or good players? Imagine yourself being trolled continuously by hacked players. Do you hear yourself? You're aiding a hacker, here. Hacking is no good. Tricking is on your own conscience, but Hacking is altogether not acceptable. You would HATE it if someone sold all your equipment to Strangers for little money, then gave it all away. Hacking or abuse of glitches cannot be tolerated. Skill is one thing. Tricking and lying is another (not exactly illegal). And cheating the game itself is (again) unacceptable.
In another note, why would a person just download a random game, complete a stupid achievement, and delete it? That's completely stupid and done in vain. It would get no one ANYWHERE in life (or in the video game).
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 15:48
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@Heavy-Duty
I don't see how Tengu is aiding a hacker. He is just disagreeing with Omaroo, I doubt he was talking about the hacker all this time.
Btw, I've overheard MANY of the noobs mentioned saying "I'm just here for the achievement, then it's insta-uninstall xD"...
@Omaroo
I see what you mean, but trinkets and trinket slots are still very affordable. If someone wants to prioritize their PvP, they should aquire the necessary information on which gear is best etc. It's not hard finding out heart trinkets are good, finding out you can buy trinket slots with full mist and so on.
And this gap between players is present in T3 LD as well, just not as pronounced. Someone just getting T3 gear going to play Lockdown is eventually going to meet someone with a UV'ed GF and FF + double Penta's + full Skolver, is that unfair too?
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 16:07
#46
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@Tom
First Point: Okay. Just saying hacking is bad whatsoever and it's a better idea to let some people have chances.
Second Point: Why are people playing for an achievement? I don't get it. One of the biggest mysteries of mine is why install to get a low level achievement to uninstall? Why install in the first place?
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 16:09
#47
@Heavy-Duty
I didn't mean it's ok for them to hack/glitch in. I'm totally against that. I mean legal/legit advantages are fine, but people shouldn't think they are suffering when the answer to their problem is just another step away.
Yeah, sniper rifle to a knife fight is a bit of an exaggerated example, I should have said Gun to a knife fight. But my point remains the same. If the game said 'free to use guns', but everyone pulls a knife, they can't really complain about a gun user. (Crude example)
@Omaroo It's not that T1 trinkets are too expensive, they don't know how to get them. I made a few of them myself, and sold/gave them away. They're fairly simple to get.
I think the reason there aren't many T1 LD players with trinkets is because not many of them are even here to play. Steam achievement, remember?
Also, most of the T1 players are probably in the rescue camp, so they can't get to the Krogmo alchemy machine to craft them anyway.
Seriously, unless they play LD full time, no clockworking/craft to sell whatsoever, then its fair to say they can't get the pendants.
Twice their health? That can be easily be duplicated with the guardian shield.
I tried T1 LD once, Proto gear with a Hot edge. I got creamed.
My argument may be a bit off, I'm a little distracted and drowsy, so my focus isn't as sharp as it could be, if it can even be considered sharp.
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 16:20
#48
The steam achievement is part
The steam achievement is part of their holiday contest thingamajig, so there is some incentive for doing it.
Besides, achievements always seem to entice people more than what's logical. Just look at the achievements in SK, we don't get squat for completing those, yet people spend time and ce to get the dauntless delver for example.
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 16:30
#49
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@Psycho Okay. Got it. Same with Tengu.
@Tom Thanks for explaining. Dumb move from OOO -_- Besides removing some pretty legendary monsters, this arguably has to be one of the worst things it had done to the player economy. Anyone have a say against this? It has to be fixed one way or another...
Tue, 01/03/2012 - 00:39
#50
the achievement did something
the achievement did something to your Steam account...qualified you for rebates or discounts or free games or something.
Now the point is moot, I guess. The Steam activity is over, and apparently the only thing in T1 is tumbleweeds and crickets again.
The point isn't moot about glitching into a T1 game with competitive T2 equipment being bad, and Heart pendants and trinket slots being affordable for someone who wants to be competitive.
They're exploiting bugs in the game, simple as that.