Spiral Knights - Was the kick justified?

Was the kick justified?

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Sun, 01/08/2012 - 13:48

Rouge-Rogue

I hope it's okay if I share this story, if not I'll remove the post.

Well I was in a full group the other day. One guy, who we'll call Bob, was pretty much 4-5* gear -- well beyond the gear needed for RJP. The other guy, who we'll call Billy was pretty much at the same gear level as me -- 2-3* gear. Well, we had just finished a graveyard and I assume Billy decided to use a health capsule due to low health, not to mention a few along the way. He apparently had some remedy capsules as well and for giggles I guess he spammed them for fun.

Well Bob wasn't too thrilled about this and yelled at him for doing it. I was confused about the remedy capsule part, unsure what he could have used the capsules for (maybe a stun? maybe just to make the animation go off?). I ignored it at first and we went to the next level, a deconstruction zone. Well my group was having a hard time here as well.

Again Bob gets mad, "I will kick you Billy if you waste anymore health capsules and remedy capsules." To which me and the other person in the group were confused. "What's your problem?" I asked, "What's going on?"

"Billy is wasting health and remedy capsules. I'm using a Faust (or GF, I don't know which he had) and it curses me and I need those remedy capsules and health capsules because of the curse!" Ok, maybe he sort of had a reason to be mad? Well then Billy grabs a health capsule that drops off a mob he killed. Bob eventually hits his breaking point and kicks him by the time we get to the Clockwork Tunnels.

Now, I don't know about you, but I think "bob" was just a bit too mad that day. And admittedly, for a Faust/GF user, I don't think I've ever seen someone cursed so much as he was. Every time I checked on his status, he always seemed to be running behind the rest of us and waiting for his curse to wear off. I have no interest in the weapon thus far, but I thought the curse was inflicted from the charge. I asked him whether it was swing based or charge based and he didn't say anything.
Was Bob's reason justified? I can't say much about the remedy capsule part because I never saw it, I know he used some Health Capsules though...

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 14:05

Shortnstubby

my point of view, bob was

my point of view, bob was just on his rag that day, yes the charge attack is the only way to curse yourself, and the other thing is im not sure how many weapon slots he had, but if you have 4 slots, 2 of your 4 weapons are only cursed at any time, and its usually no more than 3 of your 4 vials that get cursed. so when you curse yourself switch to a non cursed weapon and swing away. By the sounds of your story he sounds like a wanna be know it all noob. The 2nd swing of a faust/gran faust will have a chance of cursing your enemy but not yourself as well. And if bob had remedys and they were cursed when he used them he did more damage to himself by using a remedy than just switching to a diff weapon and fighting. Yes ive seen people use hp pods when they shouldnt, but like you said that was rjp, i mean come on how hard is it really? just educate the guy a bit if he listens great, if not oh well but i dont see a reason to up and kick. I think kicking should be party voted (yes that means OOO implement voting for kick) not just the leader can kick then cause whole party to be restricted...just my point of view.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 14:14

Fehzor

I'd say it was justified. I'm

I'd say it was justified. I'm a bit kick happy in SK though.... (You ce rev'd when I could have taken your heat? KICK)

IMO- if the party leader does it, it must be justified. It is the party leader's party, after all.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 14:34

Darkbrady

Have to agree with the last

Have to agree with the last statement. Whether it was entirely justified or not (and at least he had /some/ kind of reason, thin though it may be) is kinda irrelevant. If you don't want to get kicked, do as the party lead asks. It's his party, he can do what he wants. If people don't like it, there's nothin' stoppin' them leaving and/or making their own party, especially if the leader is helping you do a boss you would otherwise not be able to/have trouble with.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 14:39

Melisan

I wouldn't pty with him

I wouldn't pty with him again, although it was his right to kick you, he's an a$$. I would have gone solo at his first outburst.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 14:45

Mohandar

Party LEADER

Bob doesn't have to justify anything. Sure, it's a dick thing to boot someone for no reason or explanation mid-run. But that doesn't mean it's against the rules. Your first amendment rights basically say "Being a loudmouth jerk is not against the law". Joining a party means consenting to be at the mercy of the party leader as far as kicks are concerned. If you don't like that, you should always start your own party.

That said, the loss of heat upon solo/kick DOES need fixing, as it is a big source of anguish as far as kicks are involved (and actually unfair).

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 15:16

Batabii

I think it's perfectly

I think it's perfectly justified. I hate when people waste vials.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 16:12

Thimol

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I don't know about justified, but Bob is an idiot who needs to prioritize.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 16:34

Psychodestroyer

Not justified.

Some people here I think are confusing justified with not including fair.

Yeah, he can do it when and wherever, but that means he has the RIGHT to, but doesn't mean if he does it that it's justified.

First, he should have asked billy to stop using the caps and explain why CALMLY, instead of suddenly blowing up in his face. If he's in T3, he should know better than to think that everyone has an extensive knowledge base about what works where and why. If he wanted to keep them, he should have just asked.

But if after being asked nicely, billy STILL didn't listen, then the kick was justified.

I really find it annoying how there are some people who expect other people to have memorized the wiki or something. Even I take time to explain to random people in haven about what to do.

I once had a situation similar to this. While I was still 3*

When I logged on, I received an invite from a friend. I asked him why, was he dead or something, but he begged me to join him. I was trying to save my mist for another time, but I figured he may need help, and didn't want to be so cold.

I did, only to find both him and is party leader alive and well beside the lift. The leader was 5*, my friend was not. There were a crapton of health caps and vials there, with a few vitapods.

After explaining, I found out my friend just wanted me there for support, although the leader was having doubts as to whether or not he could trust us on doing Vana, who was just down the lift. I just reassured him I'd do my best.

Then my friend invited ANOTHER noob friend down, and the leader was getting increasingly doubtful as to whether or not he could trust us with it.

The new guy realized he was in FSC and panicked a little. Totally not helping us.

WORSE. While the leader was talking to the rest of us, the new guy grabbed a vitapod and started using health caps. The moment I saw him, I quickly yelled at him to stop.

/picks up a bigger vitapod (+3 more health)
"What?"
/Uses ANOTHER cap.

I facepalm IRL, and I notify the party leader quickly. He freaks, and we're all immediately kicked.

I don't blame him, really, but I just wasted 10 mist and probably a few hundred cr going down, with NO gain whatsoever, and couldn't even invite a pro so my mist wouldn't be totally wasted when we tried to do Vana. (Never happened btw, party became restricted.)

THAT. SUCKED.

But WAS more or less justified.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 16:38

Darkbrady

Well justifiaction and

Well justifiaction and fairness do not come hand in hand. It wasn't fair, but was justified. And things can be fair and unjustified; just becasue he had a right, and reason, doesn't mean it was going to be fair. But it also means that he wasn't purely just doing it out of sheer spitefulness.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 16:54

#10

Psychodestroyer

"Well justifiaction and fairness do not come hand in hand."

How so?

To be justified, an action must have reason that makes its use fair or right.

For me to kick someone because they use a Polaris is neither fair nor justified, as my reasoning would be solely because I think they would spam it. Just in my POV, but to a bystander, totally uncalled for.

However if I kicked someone because they kept shield bumping blast cubes into me (accidentally), even AFTER being cautioned about it, that would be just and fair, because I'm losing a lot of health and its not helping anything.

However this would not be fair in the kicked players POV, because to him/her, it was an accident etcetc, but the points being that he/she was being a liability to the team, and people minded, and told him/her so.

But to other people, it would be fair, for the same reasons the leader kicked him/her.

BTW, I NEVER did this, and all general terms do not speak for everyone's opinion, just what I would think would happen typically.

And I have nothing against Polaris users. Or Blast Cube bumpers. (<--I do that one all the time)

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:12

#11

Xylka-Mkii

I'm with Psychodestroyer on

I'm with Psychodestroyer on this one (Hi! :D). Not sure about all of you but this instance was not justified.

First off, It should be obvious for any 4*-5* user that a Faust and GF will ONLY curse the user IF the charge is used, and due to the regular attacks cursing the enemy anyway, there no need for the Charge 99% of the time.

Second, Billy here grabbed the health/remedy capsules HIMSELF. If Bob was so 'pro' then 1) he wouldn't need them much for RJP unless using a FoV and 2) wouldn't mind that a player with less experience would be using them, as they would need them more to compensate with less HP.

And finally, he was just being stupid. Ok, its his party, I get that, but if he really was 4* or 5*, then maybe he should take a chill pill instead and solo. It may be his group, but he was the one who decided to leave it open to all, so its his fault for allowing random people to join. And if I were you, I'd solo myself. There are too many whiners down in the earlier tiers, that PUG groups are horrible to play with. I personally join them for a lift to basil before soloing (guilty) but if I find a group on a floor below basil, I would be fine playing with them if none of my friends are trying to join me, or if my guild is occupied.

If I ever meet people like this, I kick them before continuing any further, or solo if this person was the leader. The spamming /tells of their rage make me laugh, and I gladly share with the others in the party.

It's even better when they are underequipped and you leave just before the boss.

Solution: Join, play. If they rage, leave.

Nothing about this guy was justified.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:17

#12

Xylka-Mkii

Also for the

Also for the Polaris/Levi/Shield-bumper's entire debate. I use Polaris, but If someone INTENTIONALLY continues to shoot the enemies toward you, then kick. However If they're actually trying to get some damage in a large mob of [insert enemy name here], then maybe you should take a hint and fall back a bit, or better yet, ask them to switch tactics and use a sword.

My usage of a Polaris is normally when everyone else is dead or spread out. I would target one of my friend's larger enemies and shoot it AWAY from them.

Another idea is to spam it on their character, essentially acting as a shield for them to pick off the mobs one by one.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 18:46

#13

Kalaina-Elderfall

I almost never run a PUG

I almost never run a PUG nowadays since there's almost always a friend on to invite to come with, but the gist is this: I almost never kick anyone. The only reason a kick is ever a reasonable course of action is when you're with your friends or a new acquaintance whom you find entertaining, and there's another person in the party causing a problem. To date, I think this has ever happened to me once; if you're in a PUG and couldn't care less about any of the other people, you should go solo rather than booting out one person.

And part of the PUG contract is that you're probably going to be with people who suck and play in a way that makes things more difficult for you. After all, soloing is pretty damn easy. Kicking them for sucking is entirely unreasonable. If you don't want to play with terrible people, run solo or run with your friends.

Acceptable reasons to kick:

1) Persistent "Don't rev me it will waste your health" and lack of attempt to try. Begging for cr. Other such "I'm pathetic" noobisms.
2) Went AFK and you don't feel like waiting on them.
3) Being an ass in the chat and clearly not having fun. Includes being a jerk to people because they suck rather than trying to help them.
4) Blatant disregard for the wishes of the party. i.e. "We can't see anything because of your Nitronome!!" -keeps using Nitronome on top of the other players-

And with number 4 there's the stipulation that you must explicitly tell them your wishes, calmly, and you can't assume that they know any better. If someone's chopping at Vana with their sword while he's frozen and making you take a mace to the face, it's your own fault for not telling them not to do it and you shouldn't rage at them for it. If you do tell them and they don't listen to you because they don't speak English or they don't understand basic concepts, or whatever other reason, then you can kick, although you should attempt other courses of action first.

If anybody kicks because you equip a certain weapon or kind of weapons, because you're only at so many stars, because you're clearly terrible, or for any gameplay-related reason, then they're in the wrong on it. It's their party and they can hold whatever standards they want, but to use a Laytonism, they wouldn't really be a gentleman, and you shouldn't question whether or not their kick was reasonable; it isn't.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 18:48

#14

Batabii

My skills/equipment are good

My skills/equipment are good enough that I don't notice who uses pills for what, as long as they're not all being hogged by one person.

I still hate when people energy revive right when I'm standing over them.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 21:17

#15

The-Rawrcake

"Acceptable reasons to

"Acceptable reasons to kick:"

Kalaina, you should have added begging to be put on tab:

random guy right before going down to next depth >"Hey sum1 put me on ther tab"
me >"no"
random guy >"yes im out of energy"
me >"then you go up"
random guy >"no someone put me on tab NOW or i dont go on elevator"
me >"no" (I kick the guy)

...

random guy whispers me >"hey can i have 10 CE plz"

it was hilarious xD

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 21:38

#16

Haematite

I do get annoyed when noobs

I do get annoyed when noobs continue to use health capsules even when i dont have any yet. i tend to let my team take the caps before me, but if they start using them unnecessarily, then i'll start taking them for myself. I also use the FoV for jelly runs, so i would prefer if people left their remedies for me unless theyre using a faust. Still, he really should have just suggested they let someone else have a pill before using it.

However, i find that the actual boss of the jelly run is actually a lot easier than the preceding levels.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 23:20

#17

Batabii

RJ used to be a LOT harder.

RJ used to be a LOT harder. I'm almost a little disappointed now.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 04:04

#18

Stavrosg

>_>

I used to be upset about people using pills for no reason until I reachede a point that I realised I don't need them.
Now if a member of the party is acting up, I usually go solo, even if I'm the party leader. And yes, the kick was totally unjustified.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 06:01

#19

Jamoo

I'll laugh when Bob comes

I'll laugh when Bob comes over here to read this!

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 06:10

#20

Kalaina-Elderfall

If I'm with randoms I am all

If I'm with randoms I am all over the health pills. I don't like winding up with no pills because I have vials to drop and the randoms already have a pill stack, so if I see a chance to pick up my first health pill I take it. Most of my health tends to go into reviving the dead people, anyway, so it's a bit of a wash. I like to have at least one pill on me for emergency situations where everyone else is dead and I have to stay alive, though.

Basically if you just don't trust your party with anything then they're less likely to screw you over by failing.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 07:06

#21

Metagenic

Unjustified kick

Billy might have been wasting health and remedy capsules, but in his defense, Bob (who was apparently spamming the charge attack of a freaking FAUST) wasn't that much smarter.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 11:08

#22

Fraxur

Unjustified since only an

Unjustified since only an idiot would be spamming the charge of Faust when he has only two weapon slots. And you should be generous to someone who is less well equipped than you.
This is probably the most unfair kick I ever got:
Once I was down at D27 FSC with two 4*s and one 5* (I was mostly 4* and the leader is 4*). The leader was an absolute noob and during the two major rooms of D27 he laid dead until the last enemy got killed. I am sure this was intentional since he got up as soon as each fight was over. I really needed heat since I was leveling up a whole bunch of gear at the same time and he knows it since I asked for it. No one gave me any and I assumed they needed it also. Then the leader kicked the other 4* guy and then me. I asked him why he kicked me and he responded with "you gear isn't good" I was dying less if any than the 5* and obviously gear is more important than skills to him. Don't you hate it when someone without the best gear let other people do the work and then accuses the people doing the work of not having the best gear?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 12:39

#23

Psychodestroyer

THAT.

SUCKS.

[End Transmission]

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 22:16

#24

Dremius

Hypocrite?

Frax, that's a problem I face a lot, as I like to wear 3* stuff as costume, when I'm 4* really. Sometimes, I join parties in T2 and I finish loading to see a party of a few other T3 people and almost as soon as that happens, the leader says something along the lines of "go away noob" and proceeds to kick me. EVERY... SINGLE... TIME. But I'm kind of a hypocrite in this sense as when I get into a party, I stick around a moment to see if they're any good. Usually, I leave to go solo and in the time it takes for me to load, 1 or 2 other people have joined and I kick them because I prefer soloing much more, except when I die, which forces me to self-revive. Off topic, but my favorite runs are with 1 other person I trust, because I got a guy to watch my back and the benefit greatly outweighs the increase in HP for monsters.

As for the OT's story, I think that Bob's action was justified, but definitely not nice and kind of odd. It was pretty fair, as he gave out a warning first instead of just suddenly kicking, but I'm confused as to why he would use the Faust charge so much. I mean, the second swing can deal curse already and if he's looking for a long distance attack, with the new patch, Acheron's charge is way more useful, while still dealing Shadow damage.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 22:30

#25

Nechrome

UNJUSTIFIED. BOB WAS BEING

UNJUSTIFIED. BOB WAS BEING SILLY.

I have a story where I was kicked before. I was at the elevator of Red Carpet Runaround, with uber-mega-epic blazing heat from revving my party memebrs so much. I wanted to heat up one of my equipts (forget what), and decided I had enough heat. I told them I wanted to go up, and dropped all my stuff for them. The party leader to me to go solo so that they could invite someone else to fight the JK (the party was full), but I said no, reasoning that I'd lose all my heat. The party leader told me to go solo again, and I said no. He asked me one more time, and I still told him that I wanted my heat.

I got kicked.

/RAGE

Was ^ justified?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 23:03

#26

Metagenic

You wanted to abandon the team and leave them with only 3 people...I guess the party leader was just pissed off.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 08:32

#27

Nordlead

eh. I think remedy capsules

eh. I think remedy capsules are pretty awesome considering I almost never throw vials myself (with rare exception when we are getting our butts kicked or if I have curse at the JK). if I walk into fire (or other status affect) I only take the initial hit worth of damage instead of sitting around waiting for it to wear off and possibly taking a lot more damage. Normally I pick up remedy capsules that people are tossing to the ground.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 10:44

#28

Demonicsothe

@Iamnoone Too much hate. And

@Iamnoone
Too much hate. And how hard is it to dodge fire pots thrown by teammates? Or not walk near exploding blocks? Its kinda hard to kill a teammate. Add better friends. Trim out that list.

Personally i never use vials. Unless it was fighting jk and the team is losing health too fast. Why are remedies bad? Unless you run perfect fsc solo, and is never ever lit on fire, or never hit by a status effect. Or just is never hit at all, in which case you shouldnt need pickups at all.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:22

#29

Mr-Chuck-Norris

Although I understand Bobs

Although I understand Bobs reasoning for kicking Billy, I dont agree.

Gf/Faust users benefit most of the Remedy yes, when u charge and get cursed. Although I never have to use charge except with the Royal Jelly fight itself. I use shield cancel or the double swing mostly.

Second, Bob could've asked Billy if he would kindly give Bob all remedy capsules because Bob really needs them. Then if Billy still would use the remedies and not give to Bob... then it wouldve been justified kick.

I dont understand why faust/gf users use charge so much (charge takes ages, curse renders u 40 secs useless if u only have 2 weapon slots)

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:08

#30

Chris

We often come across players

We often come across players like this in spiral knights.
Your best bet is to put them on ignore and avoid playing with random players.

The sk community is a bit shocking sometimes I must admit.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:47

#31

Xylka-Mkii

Its bad enough people like

Its bad enough people like this don't get perma-banned.

I think some of the better players should sign up for a job at OOO as moderators. We could do a great job :)

Of course Tengu says we're all gonna die with the game, so I guess we might as well let it.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:54

#32

Algol-Sixty

Add me to the list of people

Add me to the list of people who tend to go solo rather than kick when I find myself in a group of idiots.

I must admit, people who suck all the health out of a party are high on my list of players to avoid. Oh, and I'll stop reviving people if they die too often or I'm feeling low on health, so Nordlead would probably kick me. Him kicking me because I don't die and others do wouldn't bother me though, I know I can solo anything in the clockworks. (Well, except the shadow lairs, which I've never bothered trying.)

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 04:11

#33

Icycloud

Lol this is nothing. I was

Lol this is nothing. I was once invited by a socall friend to help him for rjp final arena . All party member died . I solo the giant lichen and killed it . There was a party member dead near the upper gate. I revived him. He have 6 pips of health when I revived him. I don't really bother to revive the rest, so I just procceed with the treasure box to make things faster. Ha ha the next moment I was accused of not helping him and loot the treasure . Before I could defend myself , I was kicked : d .

This is only a game. At most you just solo the level!

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 06:08

#34

Mr-Chuck-Norris

Once I joined some1, the guy

Once I joined some1, the guy kept dying, each time he would say: rev me rev me rev me... so I did...

Then later, he died again, I cleared the whole room to be safe and then I'd revive him. So I almost had the room cleared and went to revive him. He said: If you don't revive me I will kick you!!!!! So I revived him and just left the party/logged off...

Im def some1 who favors solo runs but I also STILL do pugs.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 06:44

#35

Nordlead

@algol-sixty

Throw in some common sense with my post. I won't kick people just because they don't rev people, but those that refuse even if it means someone now is going to have to spend energy to revive. I was with a guy that refused to revive anyone right from the start. I spent all my health reviving the other guy and then I got killed by a stray bullet. The guy just goes on and wastes all of our heat (I needed mine). Those are the kinds of people I kick. I too won't rev people who die constantly in all situations, but I will when I have plenty of health and the area is clear of danger.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 02:41

#36

Stavrosg

-_-

I too encounterted most of the abovementioned situations, but because I never start a PUG, but rather join them, I just go "meh" and go solo at the next depth (or before, if I'm not heating anything). I can solo most content anyway so no big loss for me. I try to endure pugs if they showed that they are at least trying to carry themselves in the shallower depths, or if I need extra heat tanks for something I'm heating during that run (tee-he-he)

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 07:21

#37

Stingrae

When it all comes down to it-

When it all comes down to it- it *is* Bob's party and he can kick whoever for whatever. But imo- they were both derpin' hard. OI am extremely kick-happy, but the one that I felt was most deserved was doing a jk run with a friend and two other randoms. One of which, I am assuming was a she, was just very difficult to party with. She was a pill-hog and I think she used every pill she picked up (which was every pill dropped in the level mind you), not to mention she died probably four times through out the first level of our jelly king run. I had finally had it after sending numerous lumbers my comrade's and my way and setting a bunch of oilers on fire. I told her that her hard work has been recognized and she has earned the day off, then I kicked her. She responded in private message by telling me how she pretty much carried the team and called me a bunch of names I am not going to repeat. But yeah, that is my kicking story.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 10:17

#38

Gfjmember

I was kicked on my first FSC

I was kicked on my first FSC run. The person wasn't to know I was new to it.

Only reasons I can think are

1) I was wearing a Spiral Culet as an armor costume, however my Spiral Bombhead mask should have suggested something.
2) They didn't like my equipment overall? (4* gunner gear, cryo driver, shadow driver and Wise owlite shield)
3) They wanted someone else?

I don't think I was there for even a minute.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 11:34

#39

Redfevrier

Unjustified

Mmmm I think this was unjustified, but both Bob and Billy are at fault here.

Billy should have understood what he was doing being part of a party, not a leader, but a helper. If Bob had told him to stop (albeit calmly would've been better) then he should have. Of course, if Billy was really a noob and didn't really know anything, then everyone should have adjusted to being a little more understanding of the situation.

Bob also should have been very aware of his responsibilities. As a leader he should've known that Billy was a noob and needed to be allowed a little leg room. I mean, sure, noobs annoy us all, but if they're never allowed to make mistakes then they're never going to learn. Part of being a good leader and a good friend is being understanding of other players' faults.

From a personal point of view, I have a lot of computer issues- from connection failures to super-lag- which causes a lot of annoyance on the part of my party and me (mostly because, to them, I'm slowing us down, and to me, I'm making myself look like an idiot). The issues have gotten to the point where I can no longer just join a random party because I will almost always get kicked because of them. However, despite the freezes and crashes I always try to come back- and I'm always able to come back. Kicking for computer issues may be a justified reason, but it kinda hurts to get kicked, especially when it happens right as I return. Ever since the last kick, which was in a part of the RJP that I definitely can't solo, I am always the leader of the party, which helps a lot. I'm always conscious of the strain I put on the party, and I hate it and having to apologize for lagging, because it feels so much like whining, but imo if they can't handle allowing me a little leeway (because rather then a behavioral issue, I can't do anything about my computer really), then they can solo or start their own party.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 11:43

#40

Trihelix

Bob used a Faust charge, so

Bob used a Faust charge, so anything Bob said or did can't be taken seriously.

Honestly, though, there usually aren't many Health Capsules to spare on RJP runs and are needed (especially in low * parties such as yours) for the boss itself. If Billy were burning up the HC's I would've told him to quit, too. But then again I wouldn't be using Faust charges...

Either way, the kick was and wasn't justifiable. I wasn't there, so I don't know the whole situation. If Billy was a random that I didn't know, and was burning up our Jelly supplies in STRATUM 3 (not even halfway yet!), I would've kicked him as well. I'm not particularly mean or kick-happy, but if he is bringing down the party after being told specifically not to, it doesn't bother my conscience to give him the boot and get someone in with some sense.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 11:54

#41

Demonicsothe

I have to disagree with pills

I have to disagree with pills being rare. There's usually enough, if one plays smart and only gets hit by the occasional flying jelly. I run RJP with my friends, and I'm decent enough a player to not take a load of damage each run. So I'll hold three, and drop them for my friends to use.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:53

#42

Griseolar

Since we're all discussing various cases of being kicked...

(This just recently happened minutes ago from the time I started typing this post)
A guy on my friend list joined at depth 15 of JK. Unfortunately for him, he forgot to change his gear before joining, and so was stuck with a snarble barb and heavy pulsar for the rest of d15 and a majority of d16. After clearing the 3rd room at d16, he said he'd brb and returned to haven to change gear, which caused all his items to poof up around the rest of us who were standing on the 4th room's party button. Despite knowing he would return, and also because the items were all around us so we would definitely have to walk past it and thus pick it up, we picked up most of the items dropped and continued onwards. When he returned at the end of that 4th room, he asked who took all his stuff, to which I replied "We all did.". He then proceeded to throw a tantrum and demanded we return EVERYTHING back to him - this included 3 health pills, poison and shock vials, and a +10 vp. Despite him picking up a +6 vp that someone left behind and me giving him 2 pills, he continued demanding that he wanted everything he had before back, even after I said to him that he's not going to die if he didn't get everything back. Needless to say, he continued with his tantrum of not getting on the final party button, and I promptly removed him from my friend list (don't ask how he got on the list, I honestly cannot remember) and kicked him from the party.

On a totally separate case, I was kicked because I delayed on getting onto the elevator by 5 seconds. We were waiting for the level to change to arena, and I switched to my internet browser for just 5 seconds before I started hearing someone spamming his gun. I switched back, noticed they were all on the lift, and proceeded to move towards the lift before the loading screen popped up and I realized the douche leader had kicked me. His name was Ooc (this incident happened a long time ago). Before this happened, I noticed he had been kicking several people because they were lagging just a few seconds behind, whether it was because they were still loading or just picking up stuff. Justified kick? I think not. Perfect example of an impatient douchebag who's ironically playing games.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 18:08

#43

Xairathan

My Derp Story

In the case of stories, here's one. This is in my pre-Rose Regalia Redux days, when I wore an azure bombhead mask and my blue spiral culet for my costume. The following conversation occurs as I'm loading

Party Leader: Another [oh my stars] noob... I'm going to kick
Person 1: I hate noobs and their stupid proto gear
Person 2: What's that weird hat?
Person 1: Kick 'em
Person 2: They're still loading
Party Leader: Alright, let me do this
Person 1: WAIT, GREY OWLITE SHIELD!

*kick*

=5 minutes later=
/tell from the Party Leader: can you help us? We all died.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 18:33

#44

Psychodestroyer

LOL.

Hope you didn't help them. They sound like total holes-up-in-unsanitary-areas.

People always judge by gear.

I was in a party with a 2* guy in T3 yesterday, he asked for an invite.

But despite his gear, he survived longer than I did. He was really really good at dodging.

Unfortunately, he couldn't deal enough damage to end it quickly, so that's where I had to come in.

But really, people are always judging :/

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 19:18

#45

Iron-Volvametal

...

PUGs? Like, as in Dogs?

Fri, 01/13/2012 - 06:58

#46

Metagenic

PUGs = pick-up groups

as in a group of randomly selected players

Fri, 01/13/2012 - 15:28

#47

Geekfox

It's okay. I asked the same question in-game. :v

In two occasions, I was in a party with just the party leader. He was kicking out any players with noob gears. I told him to stop kicking players. A minute later, he kicked another joiner, so I said "Bye," and left the party, leaving him FOREVER ALONE.

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