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Best shield against vanaduke?

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Sun, 01/08/2012 - 18:12
Batabii's picture
Batabii

I already have the Blackened Crest (working on Crest of Almire) and the Barbarous Thorn Shield. Is there a better one to stand up to his boss battle? I've seen people use the Volcanic Plate Shield and the Grey Owlite Shield, but I kinda don't want two shields that cover the same type. However, 5* shields are very limited. If I want a shield that has neither piercing, shadow, fire, or shock resistance, my only choices are:

Ancient Plate Shield (defeats the point)
Heater Shield (might be good elsewhere but not here)
Omega Shell (Bleh)

In fact, there really are VERY few combinations of shield. For example there are no 5* shields that protect against:

Shadow and anything besides normal
one pure type other than Normal
Curse
More than 2 status types
Stun + anything but fire and sleep
shock and ANYTHING
poison and anything but freeze

Maybe instead of more swords, the next update could use more shields.

Anyway, sorry to get off-track, but what shield should I get for FSC, and should I even bother getting an elemental resistant shield if it's just going to have the same status resist? And is the dragon scale shield really that bad?

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 18:22
#1
Trying's picture
Trying
If you can do FSC good enough

If you can do FSC good enough to get a Blacken Crest I dont see why you need a new one.
Dragon Scale IS that bad. I remember someone said it breaks in like 2 T3 gun puppy shots

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 18:24
#2
Aemicus's picture
Aemicus
Maybe Volcanic Plate for the

Maybe Volcanic Plate for the fire resist?

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:06
#3
Kalaina-Elderfall's picture
Kalaina-Elderfall
Crest works fine (and is the

Crest works fine (and is the best for the rest of FSC), but there are better options for Vana if you really want to optimize it. Those options are Grey Owlite and Volcanic Plate.

Vana deals Normal damage and sets you on fire and stuns you.
Vana's fireballs deal Elemental damage and set you on fire.
Slag Guards deal Normal damage.
Zombies deal Normal and Shadow damage and set you on fire.

If you're getting hit by the zombies a lot, then you have bigger problems to worry about than gear, so Shadow defense is not a high priority.

All relevant shields can take a Vana smash. You never need to take two consecutive Vana smashes.

So you're mainly targeting the fireballs and you might be targeting the Slag Guards (although you're really going to not want to be shielding them since they're likely to break it whatever it is).

Also in the Vana fight you're generally going to want to not be shielding. If you have aggro, you want to be on the move, and if you don't have aggro then you need to be doing something.

So Grey Owlite is the best pick vs the fireballs. Volcanic Plate is the best pick vs the Slag Guards, and by far the ultimate shield for taking the Vana mace, which is largely irrelevant but kinda cool.

You're going to want shields of each type, so if you're trying to avoid doubling up, focus more on the shadow than the fire and shock when you're deciding about Owlite. Quite frankly, fire and shock are the worst status effects and you really can't go wrong with having resistance to them.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:48
#4
Batabii's picture
Batabii
I want to beat vanaduke with

I want to beat vanaduke with a better than 1:5 success rate though, and I still want the other rewards (useless as they may be)

edit: seriously?! I shield every time debris falls, fireballs shoot out, or he slams his mace anywhere near me. What I guess I'm most worried about is the stun. But my currently Blackened Crest often seems to break in one single direct hit. The fireballs and slags are really of no concern.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:47
#5
Kalaina-Elderfall's picture
Kalaina-Elderfall
The easiest way to beat Vana

The easiest way to beat Vana is to use the standard Shivermist-Blitz Needle combo.

1) Shivermister freezes Vana all battle.
2) Blitz Needle shoots Vana all battle.
3) Everybody else kills zombies, puts out fires, etc.

If you've got a skilled Blitz on the team who takes Vana's aggro, understands when to shoot and where to shoot from (and to run away if things go wrong), a Shivermister who can place the bombs repeatedly while avoiding the summoned enemies, and auxiliary people who know how to prevent the slags from slamming into the Blitzer and the Shivermister, then you can realistically beat Vana without him slamming his mace down even once (although he'll usually get one or two in even in the better runs).

I wouldn't advise taking on Vana without a Shivermist unless everybody on your team has a complete understanding of Vana's aggro and how to manipulate it.

Your shield? Not that big a factor.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:49
#6
Batabii's picture
Batabii
1. I neither have nor want

1. I neither have nor want shivermist, I'm getting glacius
2. Weapons are not the issue here.
3. I shouldn;t have to rely on those two weapons every time.
4. I currently use Blizzbrand, RSS, and DBB.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 19:52
#7
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Tralan
>should I even bother getting

>should I even bother getting an elemental resistant shield if it's just going to have the same status resist

What do you mean by this? Status and elemental damage are separate things. Most statues that do damage do Elemental damage, but having protection from elemental damage won't protect you from statuses, at least not completely. It's beside the point as far as FSC goes, though; according to the wiki, neither normal nor elemental protection lower fire damage, only fire resist does. I'm going to assume that having your shield up when you catch fire reduces fire damage, otherwise fire resist on shield would be useless.

Having an elemental shield or a shadow shield just depends on what you want protection from more: shadow will protect you on the way to Vanaduke and Elemental will protect you from Vanaduke himself, since he does elemental damage.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 20:09
#8
Batabii's picture
Batabii
What I had read is that

What I had read is that status resistance on shields affects how many hits which deal that status the shield can block. For example, if you had a shield that just had elemental resistance, and then one that had elemental AND shock resist, the second shield would take more hits from a Sparky before it broke.

And why do you think shields resist stun or Poison? those don't deal damage either...
Plus all of vanaduke's direct attacks deal Normal, as shown by the red-colored attack warning by his feet.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 20:17
#9
Kalaina-Elderfall's picture
Kalaina-Elderfall
Without the Shivermist/Blitz

Without the Shivermist/Blitz combo, the Vana fight is all about skill. It is decidedly not about gear. It doesn't matter what you equip or what you wear, Vana will kill the living hell out of you if you don't know what you're doing.

If your main goal is to kill Vana at a good rate of success, armor and shields are not the issue here. Weapons and understanding aggro are. Although I will digress and say that having Fire resist on your armor is important because without any Fire resist you're pretty much dead in two hits which is brutal.

The vast majority of FSC parties pull in a Blitz and a Shivermist. Even if you don't have either, chances are pretty good that your party will still break down properly to get it.

But as for the shield, I didn't mention that the falling ceiling is Elemental, same as fireballs. You absolutely MUST have a Fire-resistant shield in the Vana fight. There is no question about that, because everything sets you on fire. The things you generally shield in the battle are the mace, the ceiling (although you should be able to avoid it), the streams of fire, and mask phase fireballs. When it comes to the mace, any of the three main 5* shields can take one. When it comes to the streams of fire, any shield with Fire resist can take them. When it comes to the ceiling and the fireballs, it's Elemental you need.

In my opinion, Owlite is the best shield for the Vana fight. The only other options are Crest, which is inferior to Owlite, Volcanic Plate, which is a bit better than Crest but not really targeting the Elemental you want to be defending, and then there's Dragon Scale which has no Normal and probably can't take a Vana mace.

If your 4* shield can't take the mace (not sure how well 4* holds up), then you either have to dodge the mace, upgrade your shield, or go for Heavy Plate which has the appropriate amount of Normal defense and the Stun resist to take it.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 20:20
#10
Juances's picture
Juances
Vana's mace

Normal, with stun and fire. Volcanic seems to be designed almost specifically for that mace.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 20:23
#11
Nicoya-Kitty's picture
Nicoya-Kitty
Status protection on the

Status protection on the shield protects the *shield* from the status. That is to say, the shield's health is depleted less quickly from the status component of the attack. You can see this most directly when shielding against pure status attacks like greaver fog and zombie breath.

If you're in a party doing shiverblitz and you don't have shiver or blitz, you're gonna be stuck mopping up shadow fire and slags. Not the most exciting tasks, but useful to the team none the less. Resist the temptation to break the freeze if you're not shooting a blitz charge, you'll just annoy your team and possibly get them and yourself killed.

I've personally come to prefer the "crazy disco party" style vana fight where we skip the shiverblitz routine and just run around like crazy trying to pile on the DPS how ever we can.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 20:26
#12
Nicoya-Kitty's picture
Nicoya-Kitty
For the record, a 4* Owlite

For the record, a 4* Owlite can take a mace hit without breaking, though it'll be almost dead.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 20:30
#13
Batabii's picture
Batabii
I think I may go for volcanic

I think I may go for volcanic plate then. I rarely get my shield broken by the ceiling, and the fireballs I can keep my distance from. It's vanaduke's mace that cripples me. The stun means I can't reach the fountains fast enough to put the fire out (or evade further damage). I know the shield doesn't affect stun duration or chance of stun, but being able to block a direct hit would be nice, and that shield would be of use elsewhere than FSC.

As long as we're on the subject, right now I have the volcanic demo suit and the mad bomber mask (yeah I got the combo inverted, but it;s too late for that). Would the Snarbolax cap (or Ash Tail in the meantime) help more than the bomber mask? I really don't want to start another helmet from 2 star, but if I have to I was looking into either Crown of the Fallen, Volcanic Plate Helm (this DEFINITELY has some use despite the minor asi drop), or MAYBE the volcanic demo helm.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 20:37
#14
Kalaina-Elderfall's picture
Kalaina-Elderfall
Oh, I didn't realize

Oh, I didn't realize Blackened Crest doesn't have a Fire resist. That would explain why it's not holding up.

Edit: As for armor, it's really all about fire, fire, and more fire. Just like the shield. I'm a gunner and I have to rely on UVs to get my fire resist (I have the equivalent of one piece of Vog), and comparing that to the time before I had any fire resist is just ridiculous in terms of hits I can take before dying, going basically from 2 to 4.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 20:34
#15
Batabii's picture
Batabii
Whoops, I didn't realize that

Whoops, I didn't realize that either. You'd think the "blackened" meant it has survived fire and thus resists it.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 20:53
#16
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Neonbarnacle
For a 4* shield, Blackened

For a 4* shield, Blackened Crest is really bad. You'd be better off using a Swiftstrike. It's only when you upgrade to CoA that it becomes on-par with other shields.

Honestly, you shouldn't be trying the shield the mace or the ceiling aftershock. They're both pretty easy to avoid. I'd have to say Owlite is the best shield for Vana, because of both the elemental defense and fire resist (I think it can take 4-5 hits from shadow fire). Volcanic Plate Shield can take two maces in a row, and is another good option. CoA is a good option, but not as good as the former two, at least against Vana.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 21:22
#17
Batabii's picture
Batabii
It's hard to dodge the mace

It's hard to dodge the mace when you're anywhere near vanaduke (and it has a vague hitbox), and the ceiling only has a fuzzy glow that doesn't always make it clear how close you are.

Well I think I'll go volcanic plate and wait and see how that does.

Until I get CoA should I just stick with my BTS w/ uv fire low? It's the only 5* shield I have at the moment.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 22:39
#18
Neonbarnacle's picture
Neonbarnacle
Well, if you're not using

Well, if you're not using Blackened Crest then you're not leveling it, and considering FSC is the single biggest source of heat...

I may have exaggerated a bit in my previous post. The BC isn't really THAT bad, you can get through the majority of the citadel just fine. The CoA is a huge improvement, so it's best to get it ASAP.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 23:08
#19
Batabii's picture
Batabii
I already maxed it to level

I already maxed it to level 10 a while ago, I just need the recipe.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 03:51
#20
Haematite's picture
Haematite
For me, the mace poses the

For me, the mace poses the biggest threat to my shield. Im currently using the grey owlite, which works excellently against touching lava (which i never do), falling debris (which doesnt do much damage to the shield anyway) and the mask fireballs (which i can just choose to avoid if my shield starts to weaken). I find vana's mace hits me quite a bit, since i tend to instinctly block, and for those times where i actually try to rush out of the potential blast zone, it sometimes hits me anyway.

I have considered getting a volcanic plate shield , but it's not really high on my priority list.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 06:13
#21
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Squishat
well..

As I see it.. APS works really well, better than CoA againstr trojans, better than BTS for all round spikes and whatnot.

Add me in-game for FSC runs :)

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 09:03
#22
Alice-In-Pyroland's picture
Alice-In-Pyroland
Assuming we're talking

Assuming we're talking defensively, Volcanic Plate and Grey Owlite are the best shields against Vanaduke himself, Crest is the best throughout FSC.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 09:10
#23
Fraxur's picture
Fraxur
To withstand a Vana mace

To withstand a Vana mace smash you need to have:
1. 4* or up shield with normal defense
and (not or)w
2. either stun or fire resist
The reason why VPS excels all other shields at taking mace smash is because it has tons of normal defense and more health than non-Plate shields and both fire and stun resist.
And I was really furious when I found out Blackened Crest doesn't have fire resist and shock resist like CoA.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 13:54
#24
Batabii's picture
Batabii
OK, Volcanic Plate Shield it

OK, Volcanic Plate Shield it is.
Squishat if you want to add me you HAVE to have steam (and voice chat enabled).

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