Spiral Knights - Guild Drama

Guild Drama

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Sat, 01/14/2012 - 19:22

Sylveon

Alright, here's the gist.
We have some people. For the sake of convenience, let's call them Ray and Rex

Now, Ray is a well respected member of the guild. He's been part of the guild for months. He is positioned as a veteran, respected for his versatility and his helpful insight. Everybody loves Ray.

Then, there's Rex. He is also a well respected member of the guild. He had recently jumped over to the guild from another, though he is a close friend of the guild master. He is positioned as an officer, for his maturity and his experience in other guilds.

Now, imagine Ray and Rex were in a party heading for Firestorm Citadel. We all know just how important having a well-coordinated team is for surviving that literal hell hole. You need the right gear, the right strategy, the right communication skills...

But here's the catch. What happens when someone's strategy differs from another? Disagreements, at best, all-out fights at worst.

Ray, Rex, and some other guy arrive at the terminal. While gearing up for the Baron's lair, Ray asks a question. "Should I bring a Shivermist?"

Rex bursts out in disagreement. He goes as far as to insult Ray for even mentioning that bomb.

A while later, Ray decides to leave the guild, speaking only to two other officers of the guild about the incident. They talk about it a while, and formulate some questions.

Should Rex be demoted for his conduct with Ray? Or just given a little slap on the wrist? A pat on the back?
Sure, not everyone approves of the whole Shiver strategy, but is it justified to fly off the handle?
Should a guild really have to lose a long-time and well-respected member over something as petty as this?

Sat, 01/14/2012 - 19:26

Blaze-Breaker

Is this game so serious you

Is this game so serious you just have to call someone stupid for asking to bring a bomb.

Sat, 01/14/2012 - 19:27

Meida

1- Kill them both 2- Watch

1- Kill them both
2- Watch them die
3- ???
4- PROFIT!

Sat, 01/14/2012 - 19:34

Iron-Volvametal

This...

Is the Main reason I don't Join Guilds...

Sat, 01/14/2012 - 19:43

Xairathan

O.o

That is not officer conduct. I mean, you can ask nicely to NOT bring the bomb. You can politely state that it's not a very good idea. You can even ask the guild for their opinion. But I don't think Rex acted in accordance with the role of an officer

In this case I think it would be best to call a guild vote while Rex and Ray aren't online, or do it by /tell. Something like, "Should Rex be reprimanded for his conduct" or maybe demote him to 'veteran'.

Sat, 01/14/2012 - 20:14

Psychodestroyer

IMO

'Rex' should be warned about his conduct while travelling in a Party. Ideas can be rejected, but not used to stomp the provider into the dust.

However if he persists in his hardheaded manner of playing after being cautioned, he should be demoted.

From where it stands, Ray sounds like a valuable member of the guild. Losing him over an argument over who, arguably, is a drifter with some respectable ability, is pretty bad.

Rex may be a close friend of the Guild Master, in which case said guild master should talk to Rex about what happened and find out what caused such an outburst. If the outburst was unwarranted, then the Guild Master should warn Rex CALMLY about his behavior, and explain why it causes trouble.

IF, somehow, it WAS warranted, then No action should be taken.

Sat, 01/14/2012 - 20:17

Haematite

They both sound like children

Sat, 01/14/2012 - 20:18

Rangerwillx

Absolutely terrible.

Demote him, if not removing him completely. That's completely outrageous for anyone, especially a officer to do that.

If I were Ray though, I wouldn't have left the guild over a little squabble like that.

Sat, 01/14/2012 - 20:35

Tengu

I agree with Rangerwill.

What would cause someone to pop off about a tried and true method for dealing with Vanaduke and usefully controlling zombies? Is it some sort of hipster B.S. "I don't NEEEEED a Shivermist" thing? Ridiculous. If it was my guild, Rex (the officer?) would be a member for a while and have to work his or her way back up.

It's odd that Ray would jump ship like that tho..I have to admit.

Sat, 01/14/2012 - 20:42

Tersakoff

Forgive rex, she was probably

Forgive rex, she was probably on her period. Or had nasty memories with that bomb.

Jokes apart, if re, was serious, not only messing in a friend way with ray, to thr recruits with him.

Sat, 01/14/2012 - 20:46

#10

Guyinshinyarmour

...What?

Call me crazy, but isn't shivermist generally desirable there, no matter what your tactic is? Is Rex a total noob? Because as far as I know, there is literally no way that shivermist can hinder you. And even if there somehow is, there's no need to blow up over it. It makes your guild look bad, and drives new recruits off quick-like. >_>

I also have a feeling the vet left mostly because the Rex basically got to skip rank and ride off his relationship with the GM more than his devotion to the guild. Goddamn nepotism. I know that alone woulda make me consider leaving, though I would never voice it. It also doesn't say much good for how the guild is run.

If you'd like to try to patch it up, you might be able to get the guy back if you demote Rex to a more suitable rank, though I expect Rex to throw a hissy fit and leave. But what do I know, I steer clear from guilds in all games due to crap like this. Unaffiliated ftw.

Sat, 01/14/2012 - 21:05

#11

Tengu

@guy

I've been on some elite PuG runs where a big-name player HATES shivermists down there. I think it has something to do with economy of time. If you're freezing stuff, you're not doing damage, and you should be able to not get hit, yadda yadda. for the majority of it, crowd control is a nice thing, however.

I distinctly remember one occasion with a player who angrily shot down shivering the end fight of 26, with the zombie spawns separated by the spikes.

I dunno. What's wrong with being polite?

Sat, 01/14/2012 - 21:21

#12

Dancinjen

I don't care if they don't

I don't care if they don't like the weapon that's being used you don't disrespect a person completely. If they don't like the weapon, go solo. Explain to them calmly why you don't like it and settle it that way. Everyone has their PERSONAL PREFERENCES.

I wouldn't have an officer that was disrespectful to the point someone left because of being disrespectful over a bomb.

Who would you want? The person that everyone loves and gets along with... or someone that is so "mature" that he runs someone off with something frivolous.

I've kicked someone because of almost that EXACT same thing about a week ago. Came into my guild trying to act like a boss and I kicked him for being rude.

Sat, 01/14/2012 - 22:53

#13

Guyinshinyarmour

Oh. He's a delusional elitist; even worse than a noob. Time saved is insignificant compared to the relative safety you get gluing enemies to the floor. Not to mention freezing them in one big group leads to massive DPS for DA users. The only way time matters over something like this is speedruns, and this doesn't sound like it was a speedrun.

It certainly explains why Rex is a guildhopper too. Very few guilds want players like that. This really makes the rank-skipping even more of a spit in the face to all the level-headed members.

Sat, 01/14/2012 - 23:10

#14

Wodanct

This sounds like a problem

This sounds like a problem that happened earlier in a guild. One suggested to the other to make a shivermist but the one guy said no that he didn't want a shivermist. Said player kept pushing the suggestion and once again the person said no. Finally after the 3rd push of the suggestion the officer told the vet to back off. They had a disagreement and later everything was forget. The vet even sent a PM to the officer saying he wasn't mad anymore and everything was ok. The guildmates that say it never thought twice of it because the ones that saw it both said that the vet and officer had their reasons.

A week later the vet suddenly leaves and blames it all on the officer after telling him everyone was ok. The officer left said person alone for the whole week not causing any problems because the officer respected other peoples play styles even if he didn't prefer shivermist. In the end the vet lied to the officer and everything really was no ok and the vet abused his friendship with the guild master (that was also friends with the officer) to start another fight by leaving the guild.

People see things different than others. There are differences, leaving a guild over it while the officer made no pushes towards the vet and didn't even demote/kick the vet is just childish.

Neither one is wrong, neither is right. Life goes on.

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