Im ok with more time in between monster attacks but the Game Masters did nothing to greavers. It pains me to think whatever gate I choose there might be a chanch of 5 greavers rushing my back. Please make them slower.
Make greavers slower
Sun, 01/15/2012 - 10:18
Sun, 01/15/2012 - 10:59
#2
I must state how much I HATE
I must state how much I HATE greavers. T_T
A group of 3 or upwards is nigh on impossible for gunners. Their haze causes you to be stuck if you use your shield, and then they surround you so you can't move (and I can't just KB my way out of there). I have been known to retreat quite a distance to deal with even one of those fiends...
Sun, 01/15/2012 - 11:24
#3
I agree that they are more
I agree that they are more annoying than mosquitoes, but I think they are able to defeat.
Carry a BTB or FF and find a strategy that works
+1
Sun, 01/15/2012 - 11:42
#4
not needed.
even t3 greivers
not needed.
even t3 greivers are very easy to interupt so that if you have a sword (well a non shadow sword) you could prety much stand in a corner and spam attacks with 100% safty against greavers.
Frankly the only real issue was the whole status ignoring you sheild thing, and i could have sworn i read that got fixed in a patch recently.
Sun, 01/15/2012 - 12:35
#5
@Frosty:
As I said...
"The
@Frosty:
As I said...
"The nerf that slowed down attacks of mobs did actually nerf Greavers too; you're not able to shield their breath attack. Before the nerfpatch, Greavers breath attacks would simply ignore your shields,"
You're saying that greavers are easy assuming you just carry a non-shadow sword around.
Read that link I posted (the one like..two posts before yours) and you'll see that although that's a popular opinion, it's not always helpful.
That's like me saying "Gremlin Bomber waves are EASY! All you need to do is carry a 5* bomb around...you, in the Vog Cub set".
Not everyone has decent swords that match their tier, and not everyone even likes using swords.
I agree that some monsters should be more prone to attack from one of the three classes over the others, but Greavers can do serious damage to gunners, and in an ambush will simply end bombers outright. Sometimes it's not exactly fair to have 5 greavers unexpectedly gank you from off-screen and have to ce-rev because you couldn't get a bomb/shot/swing off before you got shock/freeze/fired to death by 5 of them attackin' you.
Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:24
#6
The game wants you to branch
The game wants you to branch out and try different weapons. Else they'd be all the same, along enemies, or knights would have just 1 weapon slot. So yes, "You have to use X weapon" is fine.
"but Greavers can do serious damage to gunners"
This is caused by another problem, gunners just dont have a standard pierce weapon.
Sun, 01/15/2012 - 13:42
#7
The problem isn't pierce,
The problem isn't pierce, it's being unable to escape. Since we can now shield their haze we just get impaled on it, surrounded, then dead.
Sun, 01/15/2012 - 14:52
#8
-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 Most stupid topic in X time
OMG Another silly thread, by player who instead of thinking before going into fight, run blindly into next arena, and when he found something that owned him and he couldnt kill it, instead of taking a lesson from it, thinking twice before blindly going into next fight, he wants to destroy fun and challenge for everyone and demands a nerf.
IF YOU DIE, ITS YOUR PROBLEM. Get better party, use tactic instead of bruteforce rushing, make better equipment, do lower tier runs, avoid those lvls. DEAL WITH IT, DOH.
This is getting pathetic "OMGOMOG I GOT KILLED, OOO PLEASE NERF THIS, PLEASE NERF THAT"
Greavers have wings, they are supposed to fly faster than knight can run.
Seriosly, stop with those nerf requests since they make you only look silly.
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Sun, 01/15/2012 - 14:57
#9
@Asukalanforum
You REALLY need to stop raging every time you see a thread topic you don't like. Rage feeds on more rage, so this is just going to end up a rage war.
Just say: what, why and how, then leave it there.
Your reaction seems like what others would do if the same player made 3+ threads on the same topic.
Really, just chill out. The OP's going to completely miss your point and just argue back about how he's not a 'sissypants', which you'll probably argue back he is, because of [insert point here], but again he'll totally miss it and rage back about how you're insulting him etcetc...
But if this player makes more than 2 threads on this, THEN your rage is warranted.
Sun, 01/15/2012 - 16:12
#10
Rage away if OP complained
Rage away if OP complained that Scuttlebots need nerfing, but taking one of the arguably most difficult enemies in the game and wanting it changed? not so rageworthy. Although I reckon he would have been better asking for suggestions/advice, rather than immediately jumping to a fix.
@Juances:
Lolfail.
You tell me that the game wants us to branch out and use multiple weapons, then tell me that "use this weapon" is a valid argument? Counterpoint much?
It either wants me to "use this weapon" in which case I might as well always just use a set weapon.
Or it wants me to branch out and use multiple weapons and tactics, in which case "use this weapon" is useless advice.
Good advice is what you saw on my thread that I linked. People made suggestions about effective kills for swords, guns and bombs. The people who said "use this weapon" also said very, very little else in the ways of actual useful advice. The people who offered more detailed instruction on what/how to use it were also the ones willing to think about how to beat them using different weapons to.
Take your own advice, branch out a bit and try different things.
Mon, 01/16/2012 - 11:00
#11
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Yeah, lets take all most difficult enemies from game, change them and make it Scuttlebots fest. One after another. Zomgies are done, wolvers too. Now its greavers time, what will be next? Fiends? Woods?
Also its intresting that those topics that some enemies are too strong are appearing just now. Guess why? Didnt we had recently big promo when ppl could get rich with real $$ very easly? Yeah, X-mass promo. It seems that in that time, many new players just bought their way into T2 and T3 by buying high star equipment without even learning how to play. They got owned there since they dont have skill or just bought stuff without thinking. And now? OMGOMG IMA ALL 5STAR AND I DIED. DAS THING IS TOO OP. OOO PLEASE NERF IT.
Mon, 01/16/2012 - 12:18
#12
I've been playing since
I've been playing since June...
Mon, 01/16/2012 - 12:46
#13
-1
I find Greavers actually way too easy. troika line swords absolutely deciminate them, if you know how to use it correctly. they (the Greavers, not troika swords)need to be nerfed so that they're faster.
No, seriously.
anyways, think of it this way. greavers are like strikers in LD. Fast, but weak. I mean, strikers give you a health decrease! I think. EIther that, or theygive you way less health bonuses than guardian and recon do. So they can be annoying, but they're pretty easy to kill. I'm not saying that strikers need to be faster (that would cause a lot of trouble in LD), I'm just comparing Greavers to them.
Mon, 01/16/2012 - 14:30
#14
@Asukalanforum
Dude, cmon.
You said that like 2 posts ago!
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 00:08
#15
Sadly...
...I have to agree with Asukalan. Grievers are not difficult, you just have to use the right tactic.
Please stop those nerfing requests, fiends are the only enemies left untouched so far, and even they aren't so much of a challenge to begin with.
You can beat them with a Flourish, a Calibur, an Alchemer, a Callahan, an Argent Peacemaker, hell, even with a Polaris if you kite them! Their attack is so powerful because it is interrupted by anything, so don't just stand there trying to shield because you'll be dead. ATTACK!
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 00:16
#16
(dis)agree with Stav
(dis)agree with Stav here...
Fiends are easy if you use the ideal tactic and a loadout of 5* fiend killing swords. For pure gunners/bombers fiends are a nightmare to handle, with hard hitting, dodging and a habit of surrounding you.
However, yeah; they shouldn't be nerfed.
And Asku, stop raging on threads like this. No one takes you seriously when you just go into a tantrum about it. We get your point, we agree with you, but when you blow your top, it makes people wanna disagree with you just becasue you're annoying. Talk rationally, dawg; people are on your side. There's always gunna be people whinin' for nerfs, won't happen unless there's a mass rally towards it, which will get the attention of everyone rational and shut it down.
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 11:39
#17
Tragic -1
I think even though Mr. Rage be ragin', he has a point. I think Greavers are the only things that haven't gotten massively nerfed...Alpha Wolvers used to be a huge threat, but now even someone with slow reflexes can dodge them unless they didn't even see them. I think the Zombies have been nerfed twice, their old fast and powerful melee attack is now much slower, and their jump-forward attacks are not difficult to sidestep away from rather than shielding. Let's see..what else? Retrodes' melee attack is also worthless now, their slow-but-powerful sniping laser is the only thing they have going for them...not to mention that Jelly King is the easiest part of Red Carpet Runaround now.
I really don't think this is necessary. While they may be very fast, and difficult to evade, they're not impossible to kill. Any pierce weapon (Gun or sword) will do the trick fairly easily, but any weapon at all with the exception of Shadow weapons will work on them, especially if you shield bump them. They're really only difficult to kill when you can't get by them but the Silkwings are healing from behind. In this case you will want to use a toothpick or cattle brand, especially in T3.
Point being, they're not Overpowered, they're simply powerful. We can deal with powerful enemies. After all the nerfs that have already happened, I think the only deadly force are the Slag Walkers, and if you're a pure-gunner, Greavers.
~Sev
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 13:22
#18
Fiends have never been a
Fiends have never been a problem to me. BAM!! Mr. Triglav Slash. You only need the right selection of weapons, just like you get prepared to fight wolvers do the same to fight greavers. What i think they should do with greavers is to make them not fly, instead they should walk around on 4 legs, they should also be a little fatter, have horns and make some kind of sound like moo or something like that.
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 13:31
#19
Feed Greavers with McDonald
Feed Greavers with McDonald leftovers, they will get slower.
Ever had a shock-Greaver ambush with them backed up by Silkwings? S'not pretty.
The nerf that slowed down attacks of mobs did actually nerf Greavers too; you're not able to shield their breath attack. Before the nerfpatch, Greavers breath attacks would simply ignore your shields, making a group ambush virtually impossible to handle if they came at you with shock/freeze/T3fire.
Slowing them down a bit would be a reasonable nerf I'd say, since they are (imo) the hardest mob in the game, but you definitely can learn to deal with them, making it not entirely necessary. That, and people have had enough mob-nerfs lately. Personally I'd have rathered see the greavers nerfed over the wolvers but oh well...Anyhoo!
Make a point of practicing on them on T2 floors when you see them; don't avoid them just because they're hard, make a point to actively seek them out and practice your technique against them so you're not at a total disadvantage when they catch you off-guard in T3.
Here's some tactics and suggestions for dealing with Greavers for all types of players:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/39692