I would like to see the recon and guardian time switched, just because of the ease that recons have with sneaking by everyone, especially on big maps.

If it's like that it should be .5 cloaked cap, 1.5 normal cap.

No.

You can't compare "team kill-class vs. team support class" for two reasons:
a/ that's hardly fair. In no game ever will that work out that a team of support classes will be better than a team of face-stabbers.
b/ that...won't happen. Not only are the odds of that happening naturally overwhelming low, but you can change class on a whim, so if it does happen, it won't stay like that for longer than 60 seconds.
You cannot say something needs fixed based on an entirely unlikely and unbalanced hypothetical situation.

Strikers capturing slower? Why? Just so they have to sit around and defend for longer, or to discourage them from running ahead? They're *supposed* to run ahead and quick cap, then either defend or leave; makin' them take longer would kill that.
Recons capping faster? Hardly fair. I can stand in a cap point uncloaked and drop haze bombs and no one can get near me until they bring in a gunner. If I capped twice as fast I wouldn't even bother droppin' bombs, I'd just run in, cap and cloak. Unfair.

It would also mean that if a Guardian is standing in the cap point, who would otherwise kick my ass, all I need to do is step foot in the cap point and suddenly I'm de-capping it. Drop a haze and just run circles around the guy; bam, I've capped it while he's inside it.
Fair? Yer maw it is.
(edit: re-read and understood what you meant about defence values, so this doesnae really apply)

Similarly, a striker wanting to get me out of a cap point will never work. He can stand and defend it all he wants, I take two steps inside and I'm cancelling his cap faster than he gets it. Cloak, run, cap, cloak, run cap...he'll never get me and he'll never cap it either.

There's no reason to vary cap speeds unless you're just making some ploy to get half the current strikers to dislike their class.

I support this idea.

I initially like the idea, due to Striker's being way more powerful than anything else...and since Recons get utterly slaughtered in LD. Still, I'm not sure that this will fix all our problems...because, like Darkbrady said, you can change classes whenever you want. Strikers may still kill everything, but Recons are going to cap like mad.

I DO think that this idea will help the overall outlook of LD, because as it stands, most people look at their teammates at the post-game stats, and check the Damage. If you have 10 Caps, but only 4K Damage, you're going to get dissed by your teammates when you lose. Yet people praise the Strikers with 1 cap and 13K damage as if they won the game themselves. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

Also, in accordance to Darkbrady's argument, Striker's don't really have *FAR* less HP, unless compared to Guardians. With a Health-boosting trinket (Pretty much all Strikers in the game have at least one Penta-Heart), they have about the same as Recon. In actuality, Recon doesn't have a lot more HP than Strikers. Guardians do, however, have boatloads of HP and can withstand like...4 GF strikes, depending on their defense. That's record-breaking. Except that Strikers run so many circles around Guardians they can kill them pretty easily, or simply dash up, break their shield, dash backward, and blast them to death with a gun.

The simple fact that Strikers move faster than Guardians more than makes up for their HP difference. If a Guardian happens to lose his shield in a Guardian Vs Striker 1 on 1, the Striker will likely not get hit before he murders the Guardian, unless teammates interfere. In fact, in order for a Guardian to be useful, he has to team up on a Striker. In other words, Guardians and Recons are both support, and Strikers are the most powerful. So Guardians and Strikers together will be able to kill other Strikers pretty easily. Which leaves out Recon. Anyone who uses Recon is only looking for caps anyways, because they're utterly outmatched in every way. Without trinkets they don't have much more HP than Strikers, their invisibility gauge is destroyed if they get hit while cloaked, they move at normal speed, and so on.

And the end of the day, I suppose I support this...except for my first point which is that you can switch between classes too easily.

~Sev

I think the capture difference ideal has potential. If Guardians or Recons capped just a little faster than Strikers, it forces Strikers to do what they are built to do- run around and deal with it. And often Strikers roam in packs (especially when winning) so even if a Striker were to cap a little slower, multiple strikers would still retake points quickly enough.

An alternative I just thought of would be to balance team capping speed by the difference in points, so that a winning team (or at least a heavily winning team) captures all together more slowly, while the losing team caps faster to help them have a chance at remaining competitive. I don't know how feasible that would be, or if in actually it would be a good one. I suspect most players would not care for such a solution. I'd have to consider it more myself, certainly.

Lastly, if you want to talk about adjusting classes, I think the most obvious solution is to either nerf Strikers so that when they get hit, their shield breaks like a Recon's and they have to wait for it to recharge, or buff Recons so their charge doesn't completely disintegrate whenever they get hit, but rather is reduced by some amount instead, reducing their cloaking time remaining without completely leaving them exposed for toothpicking.

Cool idea. Except I don't like the idea that recons won't be able to cloak while capturing a point.

Why? Because strikers will come flying in from out side my screen, and kill me before I have a chance to move off the capturing point and recloak. Also, it also means that my cloak will automatically drop whenever I step onto a capturing point. This would mean recons will die more often than they already are.

I think that Guardians should have capture speed 2.0x and Recons have capture speed 1.0x, since Guardians are the slowest class and cannot sneak around. Also, guardians should have reduced shields when they are on top of a capture point so that they can't just camp around.

By the way, I totally support the idea that when a striker that gets hit, their shield/boost breaks like a Recon's. I can't tell you how many times I managed to stop a striker with my magnus, only for the striker to zoom up and kill me.

Buffing Recons so their charge doesn't completely disintegrate whenever they get hit, but rather is reduced by some amount instead, would be overpowered. Especially if it's a Recon with a toothpick.

Any cloaked Recon on-screen can be seen by a Guardian shielding

NOPE

Guardians are the best all-around class and if you don't take my word for it ask any other decent LD player

edit: in terms of balance, you would be upsetting it greatly by removing one of the only roles of recon: single-target elimination

What you're suggesting is going to make Guardian the most viable option in the game. This is worse than buffing the shield. I would rather have a swarm of 4 strikers since I can actually take 2 with me than 4 guardians that overlap shields and have the ability to see my attacks coming

the only thing I can see happening is the capture bonus, with strikers remaining neutral and defensively all classes have the same rate

I would appreciate it if you played Guild vs Guild first, then you can see why this would upset competitive play. Guild vs Guild is completely different from random games. In any random game, a striker can easily dominate with skill. However in GvG, skill alone rarely wins games as most players use very expensive UVs and endgame equipment (See: Polaris, Max Pierce UVs)

the ability to see recons shouldn't even be suggested let alone thought of

Drain the Recon's Cloak a bit more Faster while Capturing a Point. All in Favor, say Iron.