I know there are a lot of threads like this but I just need to know which is suited to my current weapons. I am getting a shockburst brandish and I received an Antigua from a friend (he is legendary), I'm not sure if I should go Sentenzza or the Argent Peacemaker (blackhawk or silversix). My choice is blackhawk but I need a second opinion.
Blackhawk vs Silversix
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 00:55
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 05:24
#2
Argent Peacemaker
AP kills fiends and undead, which is useful for Firestorm Citadel.
Sentenza is supposed to kill beasts and gremlins, but it can't even hit its intended targets.
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 10:57
#3
also changing
Currently, Silversix/Argent and Blackhawk/Sentenza do split non-normal damage. This makes them hard to work into a coherent weapon set, and makes them do not very good damage overall. I do not recommend either one.
Darkbrady hinted at this, but the developers are actively considering changing the damage types of these guns (Argent to elemental, Sentenza to shadow). This change, if it ever happens, may require us to reconsider.
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 14:03
#4
gah!
i was was about to post that but u already did it almost exactly 2 hrs earlier. i hate you bopp–_– u gotta give us a chance too:(
Tue, 01/17/2012 - 21:07
#5
To be honest, if just had to
To be honest, if just had to choose either of those guns, I would choose the Blackhawk. Simply stated, it's only because the shadow damage makes it more viable in LD.
Thu, 01/19/2012 - 19:35
#6
Silversix Silversix Silversix Silversix Silversix Silversix!
seriously, why do u want to care about using Blackhawk in LD when silversix is good against almost every monster in FSC (also a replacement for blitz needle if ur team don't have it.) Trust me Jiasen, ur life will be much easier with an argent peacemaker on ur side. (AP makes u look better too)
P.S: Pros kicks people that brings a Sentenza on a vana run.
Thu, 01/19/2012 - 19:37
#7
Silversix Silversix Silversix Silversix Silversix Silversix!
seriously, why do u want to care about using Blackhawk in LD when silversix is good against almost every monster in FSC (also a replacement for blitz needle if ur team don't have it.) Trust me Jiasen, ur life will be much easier with an argent peacemaker on ur side. (AP makes u look better too)
P.S: Pros kicks people that brings a Sentenza on a vana run.
Plus, like Metagenic said before, landing a bullet on a tier 3 wolver is almost IMPOSSIBLE!
Thu, 01/19/2012 - 19:39
#8
oops
double post sorry! D:
Thu, 01/19/2012 - 19:54
#9
"P.S: Pros kicks people that
"P.S: Pros kicks people that brings a Sentenza on a vana run"
Vana is not the only thing that exists. If it was, why would people have Umbra drivers and such?
Anyways, AP is not the best gun to use in FSC. It is amazing on Vanaduke himself, but not great on the trash levels of FSC. This is because it is mostly AoE, where an alchemer will shine, and Polaris annoys the hell out of your group unless used to pick off a single mob.
So basically, do not get AP or Sentenza. Get an alchemer
If it was to change to pure shadow and pure elemental, the guns would be the best single target shadow and single target elemental guns, but still have 0 Utility and aoe.
So even if the guns were changed to elemental pure / shadow pure, you are going to want to have an alchemer for non-boss things.
And on the topic of using a gun on bosses, if the boss doesn't have some sort of barrier around it like Vana where we do not need to use barrier-penetrating guns, then alchemers may still be the best boss gun.
Lets take jelly king for example. You can shoot the bullets so that the split bullet that goes to the left clips JK, sometimes doing even more than hitting JK twice.
So that is something to consider, when AP and Sentenza go pure elemental and pure shadow, alchemers might be a better choice on bosses (where we use single target) due to the boss' size because of split bullet clipping. The more you know.
TL;DR alchemers are amaizng, don't waste your time with antigua lines - if you do not like either, you can settle with a *gag* Polaris for DPSing.
Thu, 01/19/2012 - 22:42
#10
Settle for polaris for...
Settle for polaris for... dps? Polaris only beats the alchemer in dps on a turret, and that is only because polaris can't push turrets. Even then, an alchemer is close with the damage output. The interruption is its saving grace, and just about the only reason it ever gets used.
Specially if your gonna troll...
Fri, 01/20/2012 - 08:01
#11
I'd like to see a video of
I'd like to see a video of someone who can actually consistently land bounce hits with Alchemers. The 45 degree backward bounce angle is extremely awkward. Most of the time, you will be fighting monsters in clumps, so the only way to land bounces is to aim at the monster in the back. This is pretty hard to do. And without the bounces, Alchemers are fairly weak. The charge shots are pretty nice when you can land all the bounces on one monster, though.
Fri, 01/20/2012 - 10:42
#12
Practice on lumbers. The
Practice on lumbers. The trick isn't to just shoot to the right. Think of the monster hitbox as a giant rectangle. Turn so that you can hit a flat side, with the shot ricocheting to the left, and hitting the monster again.
The point of dps'ing with alchemers is to bounce those shots. Its not a complete 45degree angle. If you practice shooting straight at a wall, you'll see that it bounces randomly between a right angle to the left, and almost directly back at you. Learn to do it. Its the same thing as learning to pulsar a monster into a wall to reduce the effect of knockback. Harder to do, more rewarding if you learn.
Don't treat alchemer shots like huge pulsar shots. Shoot for gaps between hitboxes, not at the one in the back.
Silver6 is elemntal, so if you want a gun to compliment your swords, then Blackhawk is shadow, and will help w/ the shadow based mobs and/or the ones that are strong against elemental.
However, the blackhawk has a nasty habit of being strong against the mobs that dodge guns a lot.
Sayin' that, Silver6 isn't much better, but is useful lagainst Vana by the time it hits 5*.
Basically, I wouldn't worry too much about either of these guns, and just get another gun entirely, if you want a brutally honest opinion. They're just not good enough right now unless/until they change dual-spec weapons.