I currently have a lightning capacitor and am wondering whether to get Ash of agni or Venom veiler ibstead.
I dont want tge shiver because use blitz in FSC and want a party friendly bomb.
Any others that would be good?
Thanks in advance.
Good status bomb?
Sun, 01/22/2012 - 12:04
Sun, 01/22/2012 - 12:20
#2
I have a blitz and dont
Really want to get 2 weapons just for fsc.
Any other help?
Sun, 01/22/2012 - 12:43
#3
I think he's trying to say
I think he's trying to say that he wants to be the blitzer instead of the bomber in the final fight. It's kinda impractical to do both. I will, however, say that the Blitz Needle is probably the most FSC-specific weapon in the game; all the other stuff you'd want down there (Shivermist, DA, and so on) is good for general clockworks too, so it's not "just" for FSC.
Voltaic Tempest is quite good in FSC as well (though not so much for the boss, shiv spammers will not take kindly to your shock breaking their ice), and generally good in the clockworks for some hybrid control/damage action. My favorite is Ash of Agni, which absolutely destroys arenas, especially in the final wave, but is useless in FSC. Venom Veiler's just not very good, and I've never seen a Stagger Storm, but friends of mine who have tell me it's only worth it in a full party.
Sun, 01/22/2012 - 12:49
#4
@Darkbrady Dude, VV is
@Darkbrady Dude, VV is awesome in FSC, both for softening up slag walkers in the levels and for doing a shiver/venom combo on Vana.
Sun, 01/22/2012 - 12:49
#5
Hmmm
So for damage, go AoA,
For control go shiver.
I like the fact the capacitor builds more damage in groups, but wpuld the AoA do more damage still?
because I want a damaging status bomb
Sun, 01/22/2012 - 12:58
#6
IMO capacitor is only really
IMO capacitor is only really useful against mecha knights, spookats, and, ironically, quicksilvers (they'll charge around and kill each other). On everything else, it barely interrupts at all, and isn't worth the reduced damage vs AoA.
what's everyone's opinion on Stagger Storm? Does the lingering effect make a real impact compared to just using sudaruska or callahan?
Sun, 01/22/2012 - 13:04
#7
So, get plasma for FSC
And get AoA for everywhere else.
Sun, 01/22/2012 - 13:06
#8
my two cents
You said you wanted a status bomb, but have you considered a vortex bomb? I have seen them used to great effect in FSC. Basically, you package up a crowd of zombies, and then a sword charge kills them. In a well-coordinated team, it really speeds things up.
I have also seen Stagger Storm used in FSC and elsewhere. Generally, I'm impressed: the monsters are slow, like Tier-1 monsters or even worse. However, there is some bug in how stun works, and it's really bad on Vanaduke, so I'd use this with care. Someone else can explain better than me.
Sun, 01/22/2012 - 13:14
#9
Soo...
I have a plasma capacitor( May not have mentioned it in the OP)
AoA would be good outside of FSC. But I should consider a vortex.
Bearing in mind Im not a full bomber, should I switch to vortex(and which one)
or just keep my capacitor and upgrade it.
Weapon wise I have 3 slots and have every sword damage type so bomb type doesnt matter too much.
Sun, 01/22/2012 - 13:27
#10
Don't get the Stagger Storm
Don't get the Stagger Storm for general clockworking. From what I understand, it's
really only usefull in LD right now because when an enemy gets out of stun, whatever it's
doing instantly executed, as in Vana could be end up bringing down that mace faster than you'd expect.
Really I think I'd recommend an Electron Vortex. I mean, it doesn't inflict shock as much, but it leads to most/all
of the enemies being stuck in one place, and when it does inflict shock, since all the enemies are
close together they all take damage from each others shock.
Sun, 01/22/2012 - 13:31
#11
@Batabii AoA doesn't have a
@Batabii AoA doesn't have a better dps output than VT when it comes to crowds. Actually, it's quite the contrary due to shock aoe property. It does less dps only when mobs are not close together (or when there are only a few survivors). You should have a sword/gun for the anyway.
VT is very good for RJP and FSC, as well as most arenas/danger room. In short, everywhere where you have huge crowds.
But, in fact, there is something better ... AoA and VT, used in alternation.
Sun, 01/22/2012 - 14:26
#12
I'm with Blaze-Breaker on the
I'm with Blaze-Breaker on the Electron Vortex, now that people use Glacius/Voltedge over DA they will love clumps of undead masses ready to receive some love.
Sun, 01/22/2012 - 17:33
#13
The stun bug is roughly as
The stun bug is roughly as follows: If you stun a monster in the middle of an attack, its attack will complete immediately dealing damage, and then complete again at the stunned rate, dealing damage again. On vana in particular this means twice the mace-smash, twice the debris, and twice the shadow fire. Some people exploit this to double-spawn slags so that the first wave will be immediately killed and drop hearts by the second wave spawning, but sometimes this backfires and you end up with extra slags chasing you.
Also, while a monster is stunned its attack can sometimes be out of sync with its animation. Just today I got thwack-hammered in the face by a gremlin that I had hit with a stun vial, completely out of sync with the attack animation.
Stun is very effective in PVP though, as few if any people wear stun resist armor (save for the odd person running royal/brute jelly) compared with the number of people who wear shock and freeze resist (UV'd skolver).
Sun, 01/22/2012 - 20:24
#14
I still think you're better
I still think you're better off using electron vortex in that case. Otherwise shock is pretty much a crapshoot.
Mon, 01/23/2012 - 08:02
#15
Voltaic Tempest is superior
Voltaic Tempest is superior than Ash of Agni when you have a large tightly packed group. So, it is great in arenas, FSC, and RJP (certain areas). If the groups aren't tightly packed, then the fire will out damage the shock. If you team up with someone who has the opposite bomb as you, then you totally destroy everything. I use my Voltaic Tempest pretty much everywhere, but I do want an Ash of Agni. Until I get one, I'll just continue to alternate between VT and Combuster to get fire & shock.
I'd switch to an electron vortex over the Voltaic Tempst in some situations, but it'll take another 300 krogmo coins, and I'm currently in the process of earning 300 for the voltedge. I don't think I'll play LD long enough to get both weapons.
If you want to do FSC with a status bomb, then Voltaic Tempest would probably be your best bet as a first 5* status bomb.
Wed, 02/08/2012 - 01:08
#16
Wow!
ive been reading this thread through, and i must say theres some awesome tips here. i have now decided that the next thing ill go for is voltaic, to help me in fsc and lockdown, which will then help me get a stagger storm for use in Lockdown :D thx guys ! i also think i should get a mad bomber suit soon though .__.
what do you think?
Wed, 02/08/2012 - 05:58
#17
You may be asking the wrong
You may be asking the wrong question. If you read the bomber guide, you will see that each status bomb has advantages, and weaknesses. The weakness of AoA is if you end up in an arena with oilers, your team will hate you for setting them on fire.
I think the real question you should be asking is this: what do you want to be doing with your bomb? If you want a bomb that will cheese off your enemies in LockDown, go with Tempest: shock is way more irritating (to me, anyways) than anything else, because of the interrupt. If you want a bomb that does the best damage over time, so it can be a solo help as well, go with AoA. If you want a bomb that does the best crowd control, whether solo or not, whether FSC or not, go with Shiver. It's great not only in FSC, but Jelly as well, and can be great for slowing down arenas to make them manageable. For me, VV will be one of my last bombs, because it really seems best ONLY when in a group. Otherwise, by the time I poison and switch to my other bomb, it will be wearing off, and I could have just fired and shocked or blasted them to bits...
Vortex as not a bomber... wouldn't that be a bit slow?
The other question you need to ask: how much money do you want to spend? If you're already half way there with plasma, and you don't hate it, go with Tempest. It's not a bad bomb at all. May not be as great as you'd hoped (i don't find the shock interrupt all that reliable, but it is handy), but it's not like you just made yourself a Big Angry Bomb or something.
Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:09
#18
@Aquajag
thanks for the insight! ill keep it in mind. i had never really used my static capacitor, but i dont want it to go to waste, and i have 3 boosting accounts so i dont think it would be too much of a hassle :P
Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:24
#19
"Vortex as not a bomber... wouldn't that be a bit slow?"
at heat lvl 10 its fast enough that i can drop a vortex and charge a sword and release it into the crowd before the final explosion. alternatively if im just spamming the vortex and letting my teammates kill stuff my bombs overlap...
You don't want a shiver becasue you want to do FSC?
Shiverblitz is the most common Vana tactic in the game.
AoA will be useless in FSC.
VV will be useless in FSC. Moderately useful in Vana, but not half as much as shiver.