This is actually why I don't pug.

I learned a new (useless) term now. Pick-Up-Group

I don't really have much problem with random grouping. Everyone I work with seems to be at least as good as I am (which isn't great but still). And its a good way to add random people to my friends list so I can have more people to drop in on and rui-, I mean participate in their Jelly King run or whatever I'm interested in. Even without speaking, I tend to get a feel for whatever that group wants, or they'll figure out what I'm doing quickly enough (why is he setting those freeze bombs everywhere before we press on that button >:/)

Also there's a tinnnnny chance that all those players you met only had fire weapons. I started out with a Searing Edge entering Tier 2 (sure I also had a cryotech gun but that's me). Even when I didn't go in a stratum that was fire, sometimes the game would pull up a fire stage anyway, and then what do I do? At least, I had a decent other weapon.

Too many people want to spend too much time talking when you PUG. The ones that don't talk too much are incompetent.

I'll just do two runs instead of one solo in the exact same amount of time, thanks.

Wow, almost all of my group games have been great. I mean, a lot of the time guys die all over the place and generally suck, but then I just have more opportunities to revive them and take their heat.

Even if everyone is terrible, they still manage to break up groups and pull aggro, so the result is that we go much faster than I would solo.

One downside is that we have to avoid challenge areas, but I usually skip those when I'm by myself anyway, just because they take too long solo.

This isn't a competitive or a remotely skilled game, so try to have a bit of fun. If players are really new, teach them and help them out, that's what I always do. You get better runs that way, and you get the help someone out at the same time.

+1 to Tumble.

If you're serious about the game, don't "pug", right? If you use the word "pug" regularly, you're probably too good for the "pugs" anyway. Magnus has the right idea.

I'd rather play with someone who was bad at the game than a person who is such a classless douchebag that he would call out bad players by name on a public forum. Also, talking about a game like this in terms of pugs is ridiculous. This isn't a hardcore game. You are not a super elite snowflake.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

That being said, I never "pug" unless Im trying to get somewhere fast by myself everything else guild-mates can do and more efficiently thats what they are there for anyways and if they're not available I'll just solo.

P.S. Stop asking me for invites, I dont want to.

Softspoken said everything :)

@Softspoken:
Exactly.

@djbiznatch:
lol, that name is impossible...

If people are doing things I don't agree with, I just say something. If it's that big of a deal, that's why I'm usually party leader.

:D i dunno i think i'll start a new character called Boogersnotz for trollin

It's fine if you don't want to pug and it's not that desire (or lack thereof) that makes someone a jerkface. What does it is talking down to or about others.

Before WoW's LFD system was implemented I made tons of friends via pugs (way back in BC). Back in YPP I also made a lot of hearties jobbing. Eventually, in both games, I mostly ran premades though. There are advantages to both and both can be both fun or stale depending on what you're looking for in the game and how you go about accomplishing that.

@Hazel: No one was saying that you have to pug or group up with random players - they are just saying, if you choose to pug, it is absolutely unnecessary to flame them for being 'bad'. Rather, helping them or leaving the group are your best options, not to go around yelling about how 'stupid' they are.

"If you enjoy the game more via success and unhindered gameplay experiences": A group of random players can be just as successful, if not more, than an organized group of friends/guildies. But I'm probably just skewing your words and intent.

""If you enjoy the game more via success and unhindered gameplay experiences": A group of random players can be just as successful, if not more, than an organized group of friends/guildies. But I'm probably just skewing your words and intent."

Actually, by definition, assuming your guild is of appropriately skilled players and has some organizational tools at its disposal, especially if they use skype/ventrilo/whatever during dungeons, no pug group can conceivably achieve what they can, let alone aspire to to better.

However, I'm not saying pug groups aren't capable of success. I'm just saying it's a risk, and if the risk bites you, it bites hard. When it pays off, it doesn't pay off much bigger than not taking it. So ultimately, pug or no pug is basically a gameplay choice. For Recipe Runs, I prefer to solo. When going to D18 or D28, I prefer to group. I cannot imagine T3 pugs going well nearly as often as T2 pugs, though. Citadel aside, things in T3 still hit like trains.

Although, I haven't bothered pugging Jelly runs since they nerfed it to the ground, so it's possible that they payoff rate from Royal Jelly pugging is more skewed in favor of success.

Moreover, I wasn't in favor of calling baddies baddies when they're being baddies. If I'm in non-serious dungeon groups, I'll just work around the poor player and not say anything. If it's a point where everyone's performance really matters(danger rooms, later arenas, etc.) I'll offer suggestions. If the suggestions are met with unfavorable response(people defending how bad they are and resorting to insults in response, etc.), I'll just boot the dead weight.

I imagine T3 pugs are more likely to succeed than T2 pugs actually. Most people who have tried T3 know it's not a place to be taken lightly.

With the possible exception of danger rooms and arenas, if you're good enough you can basically carry a pug on your own. It's not like the enemies gain any new abilities or anything, you just need to do what you always do: kill stuff without getting hit.