While I understand that having good uv'd gear is always a good thing and that it's a driving force for many 2 star weapon making mostly in hopes to acquire a good uv'd weapon in the hopes of keeping it or selling it for a decent amount of ce. I myself have a asi med Glacius and enjoy the attack boost with my snarby gear. Then there's the poorly uv'd gear stuff with gremlin on elemental weapons or slime med on piercing weapons basically stuff that makes you facepalm hard. but then theirs the Asi high, vh; ctr high, or vh more or less uv's that make people jelly or pray that' their on your side of the fight and no I'm not writing about lockdown people go into runs just to kill weaker players for heat. these elitists gather in many guilds some popular some infamous either or many would deny access into guild due to the lack of uv's or just not care for the safety of other knights running with randoms. Many elitist would grief random runner's, informing them that a few of their weapons made them insignificant or is making the run a fail. Also I'm not referring to players that APM vana while a shiver blitz tactic is in play that would fall under people not following their job. But such elitist would bother complaining about knock-back that certain status inflictions would stop hence knock-back I've only had one elitist encounter since my start of sk but before we were done I had killed him, lulz. I made this basically to stay on top of my writing. So please discuss.
The threat to a good game, Balance vs. Elitism.
Well, everyone whom has all of these high uvs, etc, usually have one hell of an ego that envy's Mount Everest's height. But yeah these people whom think they're sooo high ranked will realize once they get ganged by a group of six on one, not to run their fingers with their mediocre idiocrisy.
Or, you can accept their criticism, learn something from it, and ignore/improve.
...learn something from it, and ignore...
How do you learn from something then ignore it?
Now why would I do that when they wish to be an egotistical little prick? Just type properly and they'll rage quit seeing as barely anyone in game can actually type a proper sentence. I've noticed this quite clearly during the little time I have been in game.
Ignore/improve. Implying there's a choice to be made
I've never heard of a guild that declines an application due to bad UVs. If someone thinks that UVs make bad players good then they're in for a surprise whenever they get a good UV. ASI UVs are barely noticeable from Medium to Very High. People may argue that it's very noticeable but a full combo with medium ASI isn't even close to a full second off from a full combo with VH ASI.
The threat to a good forum, awful blocks of text vs grammar nazis
Awww, are you sad? Here's a tissue as I don't give a f*** what you think. Quit riding my shaft kid. Also, that's a metaphor but you're too stupid to understand it so you'd take it into a realistic context.
Ignore/improve. Implying there's a choice to be made
I know, but when you choose ignore, whole sentence goes "etc etc learn something from
oh never mind
grammar nazis
hurr hurr u maed a funny except nobody was arguing about grammar here.
Did anyone else read that in the voice of a guy shouting every word with the same timbre and inflection? YAR YAR YAR YAR BALANCE BALANCE
Also, hey...guess what. Much like this entire game, there's no rules or regulations on Guild acceptance. If a guild wants to only have members with 3UVs on everything? so be it. It'd be a more operable guild than those guilds who'll take anyone with a pulse.
Why do you want to be a part of a guild who's members you find elitist? Is it that you want to improve your game to their level, or is it that you just want to be elitist too? I'm sure you understand that those UVs were BOUGHT, right? Do you fund your character with $50-$100/month? If you do, you can buy the UVed items, roll the UVs yourself, or by the 2* versions with good UVs and build them yourself. THen you can go join the elitist gang and make fun of everyone with 2UVs or less. Same goes with VHs....just keep rollin or buyin.
This term "balance" is getting tossed about a lot in the forums recently. Whenever I see someone cry for balance, I see a paragraph behind it about how they should be entitled to a more powerful gaming experience because of some reason they came up with in their heads. "I'm really good at CoD" or "I love MMOs, so I should be able to rule at them", or "I spent $30 on energy, so I should have carte blache to get what I want". Fact is, it's all a different version of entitlement rearing it's ugly head.
I was like that too! When I first started, I got butthurt about CE prices crawling up to 5K. I got butthurt about mist running out before I was done playing. I got butthurt about the cost of the sealed sword/antigua dropping after I'd farmed 2 of each. I was butthurt about the CE cost of crafting blowing up...I got butthurt a lot. I didn't get ANYTHING I asked for solved, isn't that a shame? Well, I'll tell you why; the devs made a good system that the majority of players either like or have learned to live with, and they really could care less about baseless squeaking over what is essentially butthurt about not getting what you want on a silver platter.
Consider this an open-faced flame. Use it as a catalyst to either quit and go play Maple Story, or to suck it up, put some cash in the till, and take some free elevator rides until you earn enough to get your big UVs. Maybe then you'll finally stop slinging mobs out of the way or into the face of your betters with your Calibur or Blast Bomb. Nothing makes me want to go solo more than someone in mixed T2 throwing enemies out of my 1-shot-1-kill attacks.
If you see a guy wearing 5* armor in your neck of the woods, FFS let them do the killing. They do it better than you, and it's not like they can ninja loot that's being equally divided anyway. Most likely they're as unhappy to be there (as they are trying to clear fees) as you are.
So much lulz.
This is all awesome, some wierd explosion
Don't hate on the best of the best...
Not all of them are wealthy annoying people, and most of them put a lot of effort into getting their good gear. Dismissing months of work is just arrogant.
As someone who is approaching all 5* equip, and occasionally do t2 or t1 runs for the lols, I really don't understand this idea of "sabotaging a run." I'll admit, I have had arguments with people in said runs about gear choices and such. These can get disruptive and irritating, but there tends to be reasons behind them. From one perspective, it may seem like they are being all pro and controlling, but most of the time they know what they are talking about.
The main one I can think of was when there was a Wolver and a noob in Proto. The one in Proto asked what sword he should get, which the Wolver responded by insisting that the Cutter was the best sword line of the game, shooting down (or at least trying to) my suggestions of the Calibur and Brandish. This got into a rather heated debate. In the end, I just gave the guy in Proto one of my spare ragecrafted Brandishes and left.
Other instances include me telling someone to stop spamming his Antigua on Mecha-Knights, strongly suggesting to someone that they should not buy a Pulsar and instead farm the tokens for it, questioning why someone brought Needle Gun into the RJP, advising an aspiring gunslinger to pause-shoot-pause with his alchemers, and asking a pulsar user to wield his weapon with taste instead of shooting it blindly.
In some of the situations above, I probably did sound a bit bossy and may of came off as a jerk, but there are reasons behind it.
As a sidenote: As amazing as it seems, people with 5* equips can actually die! SK is a game that emphasizes skill over gear. While good gear helps, the most skilled players don't need it. That is why there are videos of people soloing Vanaduke in proto armor. As with any good game that tests skill, a mistake can be costly. This cost dramatically increases based on tier, but it is still a cost. I can run around with full Skolver in the Royal Jelly Palace, but a lumber smashing my head into the ground will still hurt like hell.
As a second sidenote: Guilds want to have all the players be about the same skill level. That way, members of the guild can call upon others who are equally good to assist them in difficult fights, like Shadow Lairs. You really don't want to invite a guildmate, only to find out that he has bad gear and will die in a few seconds.
Okay, I tell people what to do in-game sometimes. Sometimes things like "Lemme go first" I say.
Sometimes I tell people to stop using certain weapons. Do you know why? It's because I want
these people to be more EFFICIENT. As it turns out, I like my dungeon crawls to take as little
time as possible, and sometimes it involves a little advice.
Most elitists with very powerful UVs are credit card warriors.
I'm not blaming them for buying energy because it supports the game, but if you pay hundreds of irl dollars just to get some really powerful ingame item, you'll look like an idiot in the end if you try to brag about it. You can play the game perfectly fine without any sort of UV; extra variants just make your experience slightly easier.
And anyone who denies access to a guild because of lack of UVs is a [person who should not be taken seriously] and should not be taken seriously.
Thanks.
Now I feel I am special having all those VH/Max UVs on my gear. By the way, you can buy some of it - check my topic in bazaar:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/33097
My prices are extremely low!
As for blaming someone for the lack of UVs - err... never saw that happening?
If you have been denied in joining a guild just because your gear is not good enough, well, that guild is not for you. Just find a better place to be.
Metagenic
"if you pay hundreds of irl dollars just to get some really powerful ingame item, you'll look like an idiot in the end if you try to brag about it"
So if you brag that you have a full-time job and don't mind spending a benjamin on a game you like, you look like an idiot...?
To me, people who spend years in a computer game and then try to brag about it need to get out more often... but then I myself spend way too much playing games ahaha!
I'd write more but need to get back to work :P
Awww, are you sad? Here's a tissue as I don't give a f*** what you think. Quit riding my shaft kid. Also, that's a metaphor but you're too stupid to understand it so you'd take it into a realistic context.
Do you normally freak out over random posters on the internet? You may want to get those anger managment issues checked out, as funny as it is to watch you rage over nothing I do sort of feel sorry for you. For the record I wasn't even talking to you, nor had I even seen your post when I posted. Besides that even if it had been directed at you, resorting to pety insults over a non-serious comment makes you look childish.
And anyone who denies access to a guild because of lack of UVs is a [person who should not be taken seriously] and should not be taken seriously.
Eh, people can establish whatever rules for their guild they want really. Maybe they just want a guild of rich people sort of like the Wealthy Gentleman (?) guild that was around a while ago? I mean you can say it's silly, but if they aren't taking a superior attitude about it I don't see the problem. Although that being said, I can't remember any guilds that actually do restrict based on UVs so I'm not sure where the OP got this from anyway. Mind you the whole OP reads as though as he ran into one or two particuarly obnoxious people and decided it's an epidemic.
So if you brag that you have a full-time job and don't mind spending a benjamin on a game you like, you look like an idiot...?
To me, people who spend years in a computer game and then try to brag about it need to get out more often... but then I myself spend way too much playing games ahaha!
Well yeah, bragging about anything in Spiral Knights is silly. It's not an especially hard game nor one with an intense competetive metagame, bragging about anything in SK is shallow at best and attention mongering at worst.
"bragging about anything in SK is shallow at best and attention mongering at worst"
Criticizing how someone plays the game just makes you a scrub or a stop having fun guy. Even if they're legitimately griefing you, you can just report them, ignore them and/or go solo.
Edit: Note that criticism is different from simply advising- I always try to make it clear that you should pick equipment that you find FUN, whether it be for appearances, play style or functionality.
I really didn't read anything after a certain point....
not only that I didn't even read all of the original post because well... I think most of you understand why.
I'm going to say something that has REALLY irked me lately and that I'm completely sick of seeing in the game. I also strongly believe there are many others who will agree with this.
There are so many egotistical elitists in the game. I have had to deal with this when recruiting. I have kicked a couple of people from the guild for plainly not listening... because they thought they were better than me and many of the other amazing players in my guild. They had all five star gear with the UV's went on a shadow lair with some members of my guild and died and kept dying and when someone in the run tried to give them advice THEY DIDN'T LISTEN, even though the person giving them advice got tired of them and went solo and beat the boss and unknown passage on their own. Oh no, forget listening to someone who carried you through the run, and has only done shadow lairs like every day since they've came out.
I'm sick of people thinking they deserve special privileges just because you've put a lot of money in the game. I put in quite a bit of money in this game, too. I may not put as much as you but I do put a lot of money in this game, I would say I'm definitely an above average spender on this game. But you know what? I don't walk around acting like a buttface thinking they won't ban me in a second if I do anything out of line. I don't walk around acting like I'm the ruler of the spiral knights game. I know if you've been in a haven with me I make a big deal about spamming, but that's it. I don't rag on people and I don't say HEY LOOK AT ME I'M AWESOME, because frankly... I don't think I'm all that good at the game. I'm just a smart player and know when to stay out of the way and when to listen. I love running the guild, who has people like Milkman, Heatsurge, Retequizzle and Shisho. If you haven't heard of them? Well, you should. They are some stand-up people and really good players.
I'm sick of all this bullcrap about "my guild is better than yours" well frankly, no guild is better than any other guild. We all have our own preferences to guilds. We all look for different things within a guild. The question that I ask is.... How do you want the leaders of your guild to represent you? Guild masters and officers are literally the face the guild you are in. What do you want them to represent?
Also, I'm sick of people going up to Chris and Magnus in the havens and trying to get crap started with them. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of people trying to show how awesome they are at the game by trying to have like this philosophical conversation with them in the havens. If you don't like them, leave them alone. If you don't like what they represent? Leave them alone. If you don't like their posts in the forums? STOP POSTING IN THEIR THREADS. Seriously. I'm sick of it. No, they didn't ask me to post this and I hope they don't mind but really... they are just players in the game. Yeah I have had my own beef with them on separate occasions but you know what... I got over it. I may not like how either of them act on certain occasions. But, who likes how I act all the time? lol. No one. I do things to annoy people, I've done things to tick them off. But once again, we all got over it and got past it. I suggest you do that too. They are both very good players and can give good advice to newer players and older players. Please, I ask you to stop stirring stuff up with them.
Some of these elitist players are literally running new players off. I know this post is rage and rage and more rage. I just took an opportunity to express my frustrations and did it.
Criticizing how someone plays the game just makes you a scrub or a stop having fun guy. Even if they're legitimately griefing you, you can just report them, ignore them and/or go solo.
I suggest you go back and re-read what you were actually responding to. I never said anything about how people are playing the game, I'm talking about arrogant elitists whom choose to take a superior attitude at the expense of other people. Unless you're actually advocating that their attitude is beneficial to the game and the community, in which case; no it isn't. If their "fun" comes from the expense of others, then they deserve every bit of criticism they get, and advocating that people just 'ignore' them is silly; MMOs are defined by their community. I would elaborate, but Jen more or less just removed any need I have to; that post perfectly articulates why those sorts of attitudes shouldn't be given leeway.
The General Discussion here is a wonderful example, every other week we have some thread about someone attacking someone else, in the last week or so we've had Meida's thread calling Chris out, Chris' thread getting at Ruby, and many, many more the further you look back. Harmless threads that don't even have anything to do with it get derailed, like the CDG video threads getting filled with accusations of their videos being sped up, Chris' threads almost always derailing into arguments when people who don't like Chris get at his videos or he trolls someone or whatever, the list goes on and on. Hell the Knightmare guild thread had a rather ridiculous derail recently.
These attitudes aren't beneficial to the game or the community, they turn new players away and discourage experienced ones from getting involved and the core of the vast majority of them is people bragging. Egos raging at one another, and all sorts of nonsense spewing as a result of it. The OP in particular is complaing about some really weird stuff, but if you look at it more generally there is a senseless amount of elitism on this forum, almost all of it over the most trivial of things.
I dunno if what you're talking about is Elitism. I know what you're talking about, and it's waaaaay worse than some in-game snootiness. I don't know if it's the pervasive cutthroat competition from console online games, or just a basic bad attitude, but there really seems to be a wave of kids (I'm assuming they're kids who do this) who come into SK thinking that they need to hack their way to the top of the heap by any means necessary.
I stopped playing console games well before the advent of online stuff. I don't have any of the big systems, although a PS3 seems pretty utilitarian. The last game I played through was Final Fantasy 12. I SUCK at FPSs; even Halo. I tried to play the original Call of Duty, and ended up ducking in a corner and throwing a grenade on myself.
Now....I think back onto my multiple searches for that Machinima dude who ubertrolls those games, and I think.."did those squealing angry British kids all end up trying to kick dirt around in SK?"
It's a ludicrous amount of competitiveness from what I imagine comes from kids who have no real life outlet for it, and though in a game like SK it can be largely ignored, there's always an issue with them wanting to be around YOU, either because they think you're uber and want to be/beat you, or they're just randomly harassing people because they had a bad day at high school. It really shows itself in LD, where there's CONSTANT smack-talking and blustery attacks on teams.
The thing is that the elder members of the game (I'm guessing I'm one of them at 36), and the more mature players honest-to-God DO NOT CARE. We'll treat you bad of off-handedly because there's no reason to treat you nicely.
they don't have fun! They can't have fun...it's all some sort of "urinating" contest of their own device that they can't even seem to win!
This is why people treat you badly in-game. You come up to us, unable to type or create any kind of meaningful dialogue. You don't try to role-play. You don't try to help a team. You're chock-full of a certain imageboard's quotables. (BTW, it's not cool. That imageboard does what it does because it's a sociopathic mob full of losers, not because it's bleeding-edge hip).
Not you, Dancinjen. You're fine. Keep dancin.
BTW...were you in Pocket Legends?
I'm one of the elder statesmen, like you, Tengu, at 30. I try to be nice to people, and yeah i have good UVs and I chose to put a bit of my money into the game to make it more enjoyable for me. I don't brag, I don't even get involved in the flame threads against Chris/Mag/Ruby etc.
This game is all about community, for me. My guild is a great group of people who enjoy each other's company. I remove players who have a bad attitude, I could care less about their gear.
Like Tengu said, I don't think it's an issue of being "elitist" so much as its an issue of "people can be dicks". Anywhere or everywhere you go, you will encounter these people. In some cases, yes, you may have encountered such folk who had the money to buy their gear, and start a guild for amazing uv only. Here's the thing: a UV only enhances skill. There are players on here who RUIN me who have no UVs and half the gear I have, simply because they are better players. A UV doesnt make you good. They help, but you sure can't buy talent.
Jen, I love your rant. It's close to bang on.
Oh boy, the rage is reaching critical mass! Typical Spiral Knights idiocy at it's finest.
Yeah OP, I gotta agree with you. The mass amounts of elitism in T3 guilds is horrible. Spending obscene amounts of money on crap doesn't make you cool. But hey, the truth is there's not much we can do about it. We can try to purge it at the very least, so we don't have good people join their ranks and become consumed and corrupt by the elitism of T3 guilds.
But once you've been on the internet long enough, you'll see the truth and have no reason to fight against this crap. Stand back, relax, enjoy the game and use your wits to obliterate any nonsense in your path, without using any real effort at all. Yeah, we can't change their minds, but we can get a great rise out of em. I've been vilified by a T3 guild by simply disagreeing with their elitism, because I have a soul and I enjoy variety. Have a nice day.
I find people at times simply mistake elitism as giving advice. I like to tell people to learn multiple ways to beat Vanaduke instead of just shiver/blitz.. because when time comes and you finally find yourself fighting Darkfire Vanaduke you'll learn that you can't shiver him. Might as well learn from the easier version before fighting the harder version. I have friends that use shivermist, spam polaris, etc etc but I never tell them to stop. I've probably found myself spamming my polaris at times just out of boredom.
What irks me more is all the begging, people that can't handle advice, or f2p players that run around crying about CE prices. My god man a 30 day elevator pass cost less than 1 hour of work. :( I don't spend $$ that much here. In my time of 7-8 months I've probably spent $50 and some of that being on the elevator pass special at xmas. I have some nice UVs on weapons that have been given to me (ASI High Glacius and ASI Med Dread Venom Striker). Also some lucky rolls like my Fire High on my Snarby Coat and Cap, but I have not seen people reject others based on their UVs. I play a lot with my friend Shennynerd and I took a look at her loadout before a Vanaduke fight... I saw only 1 UV on her loadout. For having close to no UVs she plays very well even better than some of the people I've done Shadow Lair runs with that were suppose to be decked out.
In short, play this game to have fun, play this game to get better, play this game to learn new ways to fight, and in the end play this with your friends because they make your gaming time that much better.
I should probably clarify my thoughts, even if it results in a tangent.
By advice, I mean giving a newbie the facts about a piece of equipment, or some technique, and letting them decide for themselves. I think it's good to lay out all the facts (even if you may be biased toward one way or the other). Criticism implies that you don't approve of what they are doing, and think they should change. Purely in terms of the game itself, I don't think criticism has any basis. SK is a GAME, and different players enjoy it in different ways. If you want to use a Blitz needle on jellies, I will advise you it's probably not the best tactic, but I'm not going to tell you that you have to change.
The problem is that blurry line where your enjoyment results in other people not enjoying the game. For example, if you are a serious hindrance to the party, I'll kick you with an apology and explanation or go solo, because your behavior/choice is ruining my enjoyment. Even then, I won't criticize you in that sense- you are free to use a Blitz needle on jellies in your own party, and I'm not going to tell you that it's wrong or that you shouldn't. Maybe you enjoy the challenge; I try to avoid judging people in that way.
What Dancinjen describes seems to be an attitude problem, so I admit I did go rather off-topic. I dislike the elitist attitude as much as anyone, but as a normal human being it'd be a lie if I said I don't enjoy a little preening. But I'm generally satisfied with leaving full inspect on; people can admire if they want, but I'm not going to openly brag about it, and I never boast about "skillz". People who take this to the extreme, starting fight threads on forum and belittling others for not having super gear, I guess I could agree that they deserve criticism- what they're doing is wrong, and they should change. The same can be said of the entitlement attitude. Perhaps that invalidates my first two paragraphs, but I feel that's less about the game and more about your character.
Personally, I try to follow the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Since SK is just a game, I don't invest too much negative emotion into it; if you want to harass or attack me, I'll just ignore you and move on. (just in general, didn't mean to sound like I was directing it at you Echoez since I think you're a pretty thoughtful and reasonable person)
Oh I agree with you in that respect entirely, I frequently run through FSC with newbies and give them advice. But there is a vast difference between giving people advice, and the sort of personalities I was referring to, although perhaps I didn't make that clear enough. Or rather I was talking about the elitist mentality that gets flaunted around here, not how anyone actually plays the game. People have every right to pick and choose the people they want in their parties and if say doing a speedrun or want to run efficently kick people whom aren't contributing, that's not really being elitist. I'm mainly refering to the sort of people who actively condecend and attack others over these sorts of things, and would rather condemn someone for being a "newb" as opposed to actually giving them pointers and helping them improve. That and the big egos on the forum who specifically seem to go out of their way to wage war on each other for no better reason than their own inflated self-importance.
I think the real players who all have gravitated to this feces-storm can all agree that this game is a teamwork-oriented game, and if a player doesn't show teamwork...inform in a polite but assertive tone. If failure continues, solo or boot.
I just had this happen a few hours ago. FSC, myself in business attire as well as another big boy. A third player and ex-guildie of mine in T3 dress down, and a 4th player from the other big boy's guild, 4*d up in Seraphic.
Now, I get it. I went down in Seraphic that I was heating for Heavenly, and I HAAAATED the experience. Playing defensively, especially in the midst of some rather slam-smash players who're clearing hard makes sense. This player was really REALLY not engaging though. Plinking with an AP, sometimes breaking a freeze. Shieldbumping enemies away from my Blitz blast or Combuster charge (it's undead medium :P) I was pretty annoyed, but I let it go, as people need to sometimes be carried and who am I to not share the profits? The thing I noticed was the other Big Boy was riding this player. It started in 26, and it was obvious Big Boy was annoyed more than I was.
riding is a strong term. "get off of the healing pad and engage" was more the thrust of it, time and time again. "you're playing awfully defensive for someone in good gear". "Join the group please". Things like this.
I felt bad for the Big Boy. I was content to not go for Vanny, and so was the other ex-guildie of mine. THe actions of this player were reflecting poorly on the guild that Big Boy was a member of as well...and the pout at the elevator down to Vanaduke pretty much sealed the deal.
me: "okay, well I don't think we're doing Vanaduke"
Big Boy: "yea, we're not a good team"
X-guildie: "aww, ok"
Seraphic: "we wouldn't live anyway, you guys aren't good enough"
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o.o
so I asked to kick him, Big Boy said "please!" and the three of us continued on to kill Vanaduke with the only death being me when I sorta...ran into his club with my face a couple times in a row in Phase 1.
You know what? That's the kind of situation that gets whined and ranted about on the forums. I bet that's the kind of situation that started this thread, and I think it's pretty obvious from the "lulz were had" response from OP that I'm right.
See kids, it's tiring. Older people aren't mad at you or anything, we're just tired of you. There's a big difference. If we're mad, it means you're a part of our mental drive for good or bad. Growing weary of your shenanigans means we just want you gone. You won't divert our paths, and you won't get our goat. Go troll someone closer to your age or skill level.
hoo, rant, yo.
"Well, everyone whom has all of these high uvs, etc, usually have one hell of an ego that envy's Mount Everest's height."
Pshaw, people with ego's like me are too good for UV crap.
"I've only had one elitist encounter since my start of sk"
One person; extrapolate: huge problem in SK
It's an RPG, and people like having good gear because they like being good. Most people who have and use good UVs are good players, too, and the excellent gear just augments their existing skills. And most importantly, not all of them are arrogant dicks (those that are are just a very vocal minority).
In my experience, SK has an excellent and very helpful community compared to what I've come to expect out of games and the internet in general. Yes, there are some [jerks] and no, you shouldn't trust a random stranger any further than you can shake a stick without reason, but on the whole these are things you come to expect out of the human race and it's not worth ignoring all the friendly helpful people to focus on the bad ones.
Did anyone read the part where he said people get good gear to kill teammates for heat?
Also the line on how op killed the one player he encountered with elitism mindset.
I work on UV's because I have nothing better to do with the thousands of crowns coming in from the nth Vana run.
They make very marginal difference in actual play.
And what Tengu said cause I'm 33yo myself.
Those forums reek with elitism, so many people try so hard to prove that they are the best or maybe to get some attention. This is also a major problem here [the first line].
....You sir have to be an elitist since it takes one to know one.
As much as you are sire
:C Omg, I read it all, my brain hurts!