Appeal to Blitzers (but not only) in FSC (but not only)

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Asukalan's picture
Asukalan

Most people say that Blitz needle is best weapon for killing trojans. Full charge with some minor buffs can one hit a trojan while shooting him in his back and having all bullets hit him.

Also Blitz is most common gun used in FSC run, where you have quite some of trojan encounters.

From what i noticed, many times blitz users grow overconfident and are being too cocky with a false belief that they are only mean to kill trojans.
I saw many situations when a blitzer got set for and charge attack to trojan (while someone else had aggro and was standing still) and he missed/got interrupted and trojan switched agrro on him, instead of doing as most ppl do (shield up and let assisting friends kill trojan) he simply starts running around and trying to hit him in back again, completly ignoring fact, that the person who had aggro on trojan before just charged his DA and was about to relase that right in back of trojan.

So, im making appeal to all of blitz users, but also to all knights who encounter a Trojan in your clockworks adventures, i know you are helpful, your blitz charges are best on trojans and vana, but please, dont forget that others actually can kill trojans too, and running around when a trojan has aggro on you, wont help that :) Same with other knights who fight with trojans. If he is aggroed on you, dont try to outrun him around. He spins on purpose with same speed as you. Just stay in place, get shield up and let your friends finish him off. That way it will be faster and safer.

Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
This is why I still solo fsc

This is why I still solo fsc in my 4*.

Knight-Solaire's picture
Knight-Solaire
Stereotyping everyone who

Stereotyping everyone who uses a Blitz Needle based on your experience witth one or two players... alright.

Much like every other type of player people complain about, the problem is the individual and not a trait of whatever group you put them in.

Exileddread's picture
Exileddread
It's not just blitzers that

It's not just blitzers that shouldn't move around. It's everyone. If someone doesn't realize that they need to bait the trojan slam attack then sneak around to deal damage then they aren't a good player. It isn't limited to blitzers.

Tengu's picture
Tengu
bleheheh I hope I haven't

bleheheh I hope I haven't done that when running with you. Mostly I just go into the nearest corner and wait to be smooshed. I figure I grabbed the heck out of that aggro, so I might as well give everyone not on my side a clean shot, right?

Take the hit for your comrades, blitzers! I do! I also try to take the hit when I'm the bomber too.

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Asukalan
Expanded topic

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Debianlinux's picture
Debianlinux
I hate the blitz needle but I

I hate the blitz needle but I carry one to Vana.

I kill all my trojans with swords. I stand in front of his stupid face and swipe for the charge. This triggers the aggro. I begin running around him as he smashes the empty space where I was. By the time I get to his back I'm charged and I one hit him. Why the heck would I use a stupid gun for this?

If you would fling enough water balls to clear the fireballs around Vana I'd eat his lunch with a sword too. Phase 1 I do.

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Nicoya-Kitty
I don't care what equipment

I don't care what equipment you have. Two simple rules with trolljans:

1: If you have aggro, run in a very tiny circle on the opposite side from where your teammates are. As long as you're moving a slight amount relative to the trolljan it won't attack, and your team can shove their toothpicks or peashooters up his butt.

2: If I have aggro, quit playing around with the slags and kill the god damn trolljan. I'm keeping him facing away from you for a reason!

I actually had a team recently kill every last slag at the end of D27 and spawn the second trolljan wave while I was kiting the first one waiting for them to kill it. Seriously, guys? Now we have three of them to deal with.

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Kalaina-Elderfall
Yeah, people are pretty

Yeah, people are pretty terrible with Trojan aggro. I usually get around that by just killing them while my party members work on the other mobs. They're really easy for a skilled Needler to pick off by just standing in one place to bait the attack and then moving around to the back, provided they aren't flanked by zombies and provided they don't use their charging attack instead of the in-place ones. The latter situations resulting in roughly 90% of my FSC deaths because speed > safety.

On failure occasions when the Trojan pick-off just isn't working I can sometimes end up causing problems to my teammates, but it's kind of difficult to be team-aware when you're trying to take down the beast. I try my best, though.

Anyone with Trojan aggro who's kiting without baiting is doing it wrong, though. Trojans are not meant to be waited out until they get bored and attack you.

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Nordlead
continuing from

continuing from nicoya-kitty.

This morning on D27 I was dancing infront of the trojan and my team decided that they would rather deal with the zombies after they took a few pot shots at the trojan. I would have left the area if I knew they would change their mind and take out the 1-2 zombies on their side of the stage. They could have easily fired their blitzs over the fire pit, but instead I died fairly quickly as I couldn't move due to fire/zombies/spikes and then the trojan wiped out my shield.

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Mysteryzx
I just say this then....

I'll go with anyone who actually wants help in FSC provided I have the time to go. Feel free to add me, just tell me why first. I haven't taken a gun or bomb down there in a month now and I haven't really had any trouble......man I love my Combuster now......at any rate, yeah, if any of you need help, I'll go when I can.

Frozenballzz
I duno, only when i first

I duno, only when i first started doing FSC runs did i have problems. nowadays i usually kill the slags, leaving one or two alive at most for the team to kill, and then i kill the trojan as soon as it spawns. but i spose because i run in the same group of people, they all know that i will 1-hit kill the trojans, so they deal with the slags and let me kill the trojans /shrug

still, even while i tend to do alot of pug-runs, i havent really seen this problem on a large scale. i spose people see a full gunner with max damage and think "leave the trojans to him" lol. but yeh, i know what you mean.

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Lukehandkooler
"Most people say that Blitz

"Most people say that Blitz needle is best weapon for killing trojans. Full charge with some minor buffs can one hit a trojan while shooting him in his back and having all bullets hit him.

Also Blitz is most common gun used in FSC run, where you have quite some of trojan encounters.

From what i noticed, many times blitz users grow overconfident and are being too cocky with a false belief that they are only mean to kill trojans.
I saw many situations when a blitzer got set for and charge attack to trojan (while someone else had aggro and was standing still) and he missed/got interrupted and trojan switched agrro on him, instead of doing as most ppl do (shield up and let assisting friends kill trojan) he simply starts running around and trying to hit him in back again, completly ignoring fact, that the person who had aggro on trojan before just charged his DA and was about to relase that right in back of trojan.

So, im making appeal to all of blitz users, but also to all knights who encounter a Trojan in your clockworks adventures, i know you are helpful, your blitz charges are best on trojans and vana, but please, dont forget that others actually can kill trojans too, and running around when a trojan has aggro on you, wont help that :) Same with other knights who fight with trojans. If he is aggroed on you, dont try to outrun him around. He spins on purpose with same speed as you. Just stay in place, get shield up and let your friends finish him off. That way it will be faster and safer."

What does blitz have to do with being a bad player? Anyone holding a charged weapon can make poor choices.

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Xairathan
+1

I fully agree with this topic: I've had many a time where either I'm going up for a charge attack and get rudely interrupted by the Aggro-ee moving around, or where I'm the Aggro-ee and everyone else is elsewhere, leaving me with the Trojan.

I'd also like to point out that another efficient Trojan-killer is the Barbarous Thorn Blade. In full Skolver and BTB, it can one or two-shot a Trojan. Without any buffs, it can three-shot a Trojan (at least, in my case).

Anyway that's besides the point- whoever's got Trojan Aggro, for the love of god stay still and let us frag him. And if I've got Aggro, well please save me... being stuck between a rock and a Trojan isn't fun

Nergee's picture
Nergee
=/

too many people just wanna kill the trojan themselves like they get a damn cookie for it. they know what to do but choose not to.

Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
S'why I don't do FSC without

S'why I don't do FSC without my shiver. That at least guarantees a degree of stability with even te most hopeless of teammates.

Evilduck's picture
Evilduck
I disagree with the idea all

I disagree with the idea all blitz users are useless because I like to think I'm pretty useful with mine. But +1 for people learning how to deal with trojan aggro. I can't count the times I've charged my blitz only for the guy with aggro to circle the trojan and, more often than not, get me thumped. Hello, I'm walking around with a charged blitz which means a) I walk slowly, and b) releasing my shot leaves me immobile for a second. Stand the scupper still and stop being a moron.

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Xylka-Mkii
This is why I carry more than

This is why I carry more than just a Blitz needle and only use it for Vana and Trojans

My FSC weaps

DA
SilverSix (will be AP)
Polaris
Blitz