I know this topic probably already came up somewhere else, but I wanted to see people's opinions on the fact.
I was actually thinking about going for a mix of the two, vog cub coat for the elemental defense and skolver hat for the increased sword dmg because I usually use a dread venom striker.
Thoughts?
People only have vog cub because (not including atk speed for berserkers) vanaduke is the current end game boss and does fire/elemental stuff. Once that goblin guy comes out and starts shooting off poison/shock/piercing attacks (or whatever it is he does) everyone will change gear.
You underestimate the allure of attack speed.
the problem with attack speed is that it can max - and if it's maxxed, then the attack speed buff does nothing for you.
You may want to redo the question, though - it's not which one to get, it's which one to get first. If you're wanting to run Vanaduke, for example, Vog Cub is the obvious choice - and if you run him enough you can pick up a Tooth of Vog to go with it (and they do go together quite well). In the long term, though, why wouldn't you take both?
Unless your Dread Venom Striker has an Attack Speed UV or you're using a Swiftstrike Buckler (which you shouldn't be on anything remotely difficult if you're asking about 5 star sets) the attack speed is better even with the cutter line.
In my opinion, get both, but you're better off getting Vog first.
On the subject of freeze resist, wtf does it even do? I've noticed a huge difference in having fire and stun resists but I haven't really noticed any difference going into freeze strata with freeze resist maxed out. I seriously hope freeze resist does more than just mitigate the damage you take when you're broken out of it by an enemy.
It takes two Vog Cubs and a Swiftstrike to max it.
How is maximum attack speed bonus bad again?
Really? That is good to know. I'd been mislead about the ease of hitting the speed cap by things I'd read elsewhere. You'd know, though.
Just a clarifying question, though, to be sure I understand properly (and I'm getting this off the wiki, so if I'm wrong about any of this stuff, please correct me)...
- My understanding is that there's a max to any buff of Ultimate (+6). Swiftstrike (High: +3), Vog Cub Coat (Medium: +2), and Vog Cub Cap (medium: +2) already kicks it up to +7, crossing over that cap by 1 point. If you're wearing those three, then whatever sword you have is already going as fast as it can possibly go.
- I'd heard from marginally less reliable sources that there was also an independent attack speed cap - that the sword wouldn't swing but so fast - and that it meant that swords that were slower initially could take advantage of more points worth of attack speed buff. Dread Venom Striker (I have been told) is one of the fastest swords in the game. If it isn't limited by the swing speed cap, then basically nothing is. If it *is* limited by the swing speed cap, then presumably you'd need +5 or less swing speed to get it to max speed - either vog coat + swiftstrike or vog cap + swiftstrike.
So you're basically saying that there is no (or at least effectively no) independent attack speed cap? That's cool, if true, but I want to be sure.
Thoughts on having one piece vog cub and one piece skolver?
Sirrocco, I'm pretty sure your second point is false. For example, I have a Dread Venom Striker with a medium attack speed UV. UVs on a specific item will show their boost in the item's stats (in this case, the Speed meter is actually maxed at 10 bars whereas a normal Cutter type sword has roughly 9 bars). I am almost positive that my attacks go faster using a Swiftstrike Buckler though. While the difference is small to the human eye/ear, I believe the effect is actually noticeable in my ability to control monsters before they are able to recover and attack.
Regarding your first point, attack speed is so good that it's basically better to have a point wasted and no bonus damage than a point under and two bonus damage. Many of you are simply thinking in terms of DPS but attack speed allows you to control your character much better.
If I had a UV Ash Tail Cap with Elemental Defense High would that make a better Skover Cap or Vog Cub?
Does anyone have any numbers or other info that shows exactly how much better attack speed is compared to the damage bonus? Like, what's the % increase in swings per minute or, more practically, will it allow you to get in an extra hit on an enemy before you have to shield? And for damage bonus, what's the % increase in damage, or will it help you kill enemies in less hits than before? I honestly don't think it's possible to make an informed decision unless SOMEONE can be bothered to do some research and present findings. Right now it just sounds like everyone is being brainwashed into the attack speed hive mind.
EDIT: Like Dorael's post.
Awesomest: Go do a zombie filled floor with an Avenger two times. Once without any speed bonuses and once with. Let us know how you feel about attack speed then.
Lerysh: Vog Cub. You want to stack defenses of a type, not try to spread them out. The reason is that you can usually tell the theme of a stratum and gear toward it. It's not too useful right now as there are too many things that do elemental damage versus things that don't but I suspect/hope it'll come up more later on.
Edit: Awesomest you're being too general in thinking with your assumptions. You can't figure out how many hits you can make before having to shield because 1) it depends on the specific enemy, 2) it depends on when you start attacking that enemy and what action that enemy is performing as you start, and 3) you're thinking in terms of one single enemy and not multiple. In all of those cases, finishing an attack animation faster means you can shield, move, or attack again faster and those are calls you have to make on the fly depending on the situation. Attack speed allows you that option sooner. With a cutter series (which I predominately use) it also allows you to move more quickly while attacking because your attacks come faster, which has a huge difference in your ability to dodge around the battlefield.
I'm a bomber. ): My only worry is charge time.
Vog Cub is better in almost all ways.
Elemental defense > Piercing defense.
Fire resist > Freeze resist.
Attack speed > Attack damage. Though, it's been argued for very fast weapons, attack damage might be better. I still think the difference might be negligible at that point, though. And it surely isn't enough to get crappy Skolver.
Skolver has the benefit of making use of your Primal Sparks. That's about it.