Should I get an avenger, dark thorn, or blizzbrand, and why
Unsure of which sword to get
For me, it depends on what you like. The Dark Thorn Blade is piercing, good against wolves. while an avenger has normal and elemental damage. It also turns into one of the most popular swords: Divine Avenger. The Blizzbrand is an ice sword, and turns into Glacius. It causes elemental damage, which is good against Lord Vanaduke, and elemental monsters. So if you're just a day to day explorer, I would suggest the avenger, since it has a high knockback. However, if you like going for the bosses, I would recommend the blizzbrand. I don't have the dark thorn, only seen it in the wiki, so i cant speak for it.
Get all 3
Dark Thorn Blade is pretty easy to get via Snarby Runs and some recipe hunting
Avenger is pretty easy to get via JK runs and some recipe hunting
Blizzbrand is pretty easy to get via some recipe hunting
This kind of question is asked all the time. My sword guide is written to answer such questions. It gives background information and concrete suggestions.
The short version: The most important criterion in choosing a sword is its damage type. You want a piercing sword, an elemental sword, and a shadow sword. Avenger and Blizzbrand are elemental, so they're largely redundant. Dark Thorn Blade is piercing. You haven't named a shadow sword.
Well, as far as shadow swords go there are only 2 choices: Acheron or Gran Faust. Gran Faust is the only weapon that deals curse, but the charge attack can curse you. Acheron, doesn't deal curse but it's charge attack won't curse you either. Other than that, Gran Faust is a slow sword like Divine Avenger, Acheron is a medium speed sword, behaves the same as the elemental brandishes but without a status. Plus it looks like a katana.
Otherwise, between Dark Thorn Blade, Avenger, and Blizzbrand, you've no reason not to get all of them. Just upgrade them in the order you get recipes.
You could be lame and get all three, or you can be a hipster and get something better. Just sayin'.
#feelsgoodtobeahipster.
How is elemental damage good against vanaduke? He's slightly weak to piercing during phases 1, 3 and 5, and resistant to everything except normal during his mask phases. And I don't know what you mean by "elemental monsters". If you mean it's good for FSC, then this is true for the avenger as well. Additionally, blizzbrand also has half normal/split damage (it sounded like you only thought avenger has) just like any other sword which isn't piercing or pure normal.
Many people presume that vanaduke is weak to elemental damage - because of his henchmen (The zombies) who are weak to elemental damage - they presume that because of this - vanaduke must be the same? (Excessive use of hyphens :D)
Anyyyyway - yeah, vanaduke isn't weak to elemental - I don't believe he's 'weak' to anything in general - unless you count piercing in some stages.
Anyway (Gosh) back to the original question :D
Avenger is good because of it's power, and its upgrade is great in Firestorm Citadel vs. the zombies.
Blizzbrand is fantastic since the brandish buff updates. It's upgrade the Glacius is COMPLETELY overpowered and I find it excessively useful in Firestorm Citadel.
Dark Thorn Blade is just great everywhere (Unless against construct) it's very useful vs. Vanaduke - as Tom-Awsm said, vanaduke is weak to piercing in some stages. (Hence it being excessively used against vana)
My verdict would be to get all 3!
No, don't go for Glacius AND Divine Avenger. Having 2 elemental swords in your arsenal is redundant and will not provide as much as having a diversified set of weapons.
Choose which type you prefer (brandish line or sealed sword line) and stick to it.
How about we change that blizzbrand to a silent nightblade?
Yes, covering every damage type is the preferred way to go. It means starting again from a 2* brandish (or buying a nightblade from AH), but considering most of the cost of an item is the upgrade 4* -> 5*, it's still better than having redundant weapon and lacking a shadow damage weapon.
Peircing weapons are a no-no going into teir 2. Both bosses are in stratas that resist peircing. If you wanna be well rounded, get drake scale armor and the angelic helm with a shadow and elemental sword. The two monsters you aren't effective with weapon wise will still be easy since the armors give you feind and beast bonuses. Plus you get 25% of all defenses, and half posin and curse ressist. Use crown of the fallen for PVP/costume though.
Now I agree that pierce weapons aren't as useful in T2 since people usually spam bosses, they are useful when you're...y'know, NOT spamming bosses.
Also, for someone who's clearly not highly experienced at the game and an expert at dodging any and all damage, don't go advising dual-spec armour and guaranteeing that they're taking 50~100% damage from almost everything in T2, it'd be like going in without any armour at all if they're not amazing at shielding/dodging.
Hell, even then....
Pshaw, always spam bosses untill you arent T2. For people who wanna spam vannaduke quick, get chroma. You can spam jelly untill your a 4* salamander, and your all prepped for FSC. Well, not all, but you can grind the levels.
Also, the angelic/dagon armor can actuualy take allot of hits. It puts you in 3 health, over time (convinient) and if you are hit while in 3 health by an attack insteado of instakilling you just go down to one bar. Now it's difficult to heal back up, but it can certianaly take allot of hits in the proper teir.
You're assuming that you always get a jump to basil which doesnt always happen.
No, Dragonscale is not good for JK, since they hit pierce/normal, and the puppies/lumbers hit mainly normal. With no normal defence in JK, absolutely eveyrthing would be hitting you for at least 50% of their damage, if not their fullest damage.
Dual-spec is better in T3 where there's little normal damage, but there's not many places where you'd need ele/pierce, and teh arsenal stations have made dual-spec (everythings) redundant.
Also.."always spam bosses". For the people who can't do the bosses yet? For the people who simply don't want to do bosses?
And...volc.sala for FSC? Elemental def/fire is nice for the lava tiles but...everything else hits shadow damage, the only thing you'd want chroma for is the fire defence and if you were goin' ele/fire set, why not just get a vog cub, 'cuz the slime:bonus is useless in FSC, and the ele defence would make it half as useful in JK as well. Is that purely just fro the fire bonus at 4* to save having to go to 5*? 'cuz if that's all it is, then fair enough, but if it's a 5* comparison there's some issues.
BUT ALL THE SLIMES IN THE TWO FLOORS BEFORE HIM AND THE REST OF THE SLIMES IN JK'S ROOM DON'T!!!
(and also all the spikes that flood the RJP)
Also, don't flare just because you made a stupid assumption about what I said.
POLYPS DON'T
Another fail because of another stupid assumption. Start thinkin' before flarin'.
My experience is that in FSC fire resist is about ten times more important than shadow.
For fire resist, I have a Vog cap. For shadow, I have a shadow: low UV on my ashtail coat. I mainly die from fire, and occasionally getting cornered by a Trojan.
Slags are just easy. Their only remotely threatening attack deals pure fire.
On the subject of RJP, yeah there's a lot of normal damage, but jelly spikes deal piercing and giant lichen colonies positively SPAM piercing.
My point was just that elemental defence on armour isn't that massively useful in there; you want ele defence on a shield for sure, but the armour...well, like you said; the fire counts more. And since it's ele, it denies the set being useful in pretty much all slime levels, too, which puts me off the idea of the set ever being useful, unless you're purely after a 4* fire set.
I wouldn't discount sally set that fast. It's great for beginning players who know enough about fsc to do it with minor fire damage...
Okay. Maybe not. By that point they should know it's better to get a universal boost armour. Or... really lazy new players who wants to run fsc asap.
"You're assuming that you always get a jump to basil which doesnt always happen"
By "spam bosses" I meant try to spam bosses. If you don't get a jump just go as far as you can. Chroma has fair normal defense and split fire and posin, so there's a fair chance it will be somewhat useful.
"Dragonscale is not good for JK"
Err, didn't say it was. It's just a fair "when in doubt" armor loadout for people who don't want to specialize with one weapon type. If you spam bosses, get chroma, if you play regular gates, get dragon/valk mix. Dragon and valkyrie can always get the job done in the right teir with the right weapons, save for FSC.
" For the people who simply don't want to do bosses?"
Dragon/valk. But I think spamming bosses is a good idea untill you get a good bit of T3 gear.
"Elemental def/fire is nice for the lava tiles but...everything else hits shadow damage"
Yes, becuase the new zombies are sooo hard to dodge....
"POLYPS DON'T [do peircing damage]"
Actuualy, the purple royal polyps deal less peircing than regular ones, in the sense that they spawn minis 50% of the time. Chroma has more normal tham peircing though, so I still think that it's useful. Sklover's a better way to go for the royal ice jelly though. Prevailing you have a sword.
I ran with pretty much the same defense as wolf when I was four star. I use volcanic demo helm, shadow low, and vog cub, shadow low. Fire friggin pished me off as a four star. At least in FSC. Plus the volcanic demo sheild is a good investment, becuase allot of enemies deal stun, and some neuteral enemies, like rocket puppies, flamethrower gremlins, and the random chance firebranders that pit bosses can make from regular devilmites, can also deal fire. Normal defense IS actuualy useful, becuase things like trojans deal pure normal.
"My point was just that elemental defence on armour isn't that massively useful in there; you want ele defence on a shield for sure, but the armour...well, like you said; the fire counts more."
Are you kidding? Ele's the last thing you want on a sheild. The elemental defense decreases the damage statuses do. Wheras fire ressist decreases the probability of getting set on fire.
"Or... really lazy new players who wants to run fsc asap."
Exactaly my point. Level it up on royal jelly with a nice elemental weapon and a plate sheild, then have a whack at FSC.
Also, elemental weapons are good on the royal jelly. It's weak to elemental since the initial strategy was to hit it into blast blocks (I think). The trick was to not hit the ghost blocks unless your life depended on it. Suddenly people just fire/curse/posin the crap out of it and badaboom. Not to mention planting crystals insde of it.
"The elemental defense decreases the damage statuses do. Wheras fire ressist decreases the probability of getting set on fire."
Um, no. Where did you get this idea from? There's no correlation with elemental damage and status effects. Elemental is a damage type. Period. Fire resist does what you said for armor; that's true. It also decreases the duration of the status. On shields, it resists stuff that ONLY deal the status, like traps and slag breath.
Also, RJ is a JELLY. They are weak to shadow. Elemental is decent, but damage is neutral. And the common strategy IS to vial the heck out of it, then beat it senseless. Blast blocks barely make a difference, as do ghost blocks.
(sorry if this sounds really harsh, im kind of tired... =_=)
It's weak to elemental since the initial strategy was to hit it into blast blocks (I think). The trick was to not hit the ghost blocks unless your life depended on it. Suddenly people just fire/curse/posin the crap out of it and badaboom. Not to mention planting crystals inside of it.
If in doubt? Why not a wolver, for the sword bonus. Most people do wield swords, even if they mainly use other weapons. Making a 4* set that will get dropped later, is a rather large amount of ce burned. Obviously not as much as a 5*, but enough to delay the crafting of a better set. I believe the great jelly of purple-ness has a weakness to shadow, not elemental. Poison was to stop the regen effect, otherwise it would have an effective hp limit of unlimited.
Most people, who has run T3 a couple of times, do try to dodge hits. Not all of us decides to tank slag breath, or run through fire pits. Why assume you will be hit 3-4 times every room, and instead concentrate on dodging, going around shadow fire, and shieldbumping? You do in fact, want elemental on a shield. What do puppies do? How else is your shield going to survive being thrown into a fire pit/shadow fire? Unless everyone you see doing fsc is using swiftstrike.. or something. Why else would people use owlite? If that many people uses it, there must be something right, or the game mechanics was confused by the entire playerbase.
Orange, the point that other people are trying to make is, why get a subpar set, when you can have better armour that upgrades into useful 5*. Why not.
It's amazing how we went from an eleven word question about three swords (none of which dealing shadow damage) to the best armor sets overall...
use the voltedge its easy to obtain and causes shock which is awesome!
Demonicsothe, I think that you're working from old information about the Royal Jelly. It has changed. The relevant patches are:
* 2011 October 19: The Royal Jelly boss fight has changed, adjust your strategies accordingly!
* 2011 October 21: Royal Jelly defense values brought in line with the rest of the Slime family
What. I quoted orangeo's post. I thought I replied to it. Oh well. You did it for me.
Sorry, Demonicsothe. You were definitely responding to Orangeo, although it didn't look like it. Cheers.
I just want to say thank you to the people who answered my question. For the other individuals who didn't think about it I already have a shadow sword that is why I DIDN'T ASK about it. Did you even considered that i even had a shadow weap?? And thanks for the armor suggestion but I'm going for skolver or vog
You're mad at the people who tried to help you? How were we supposed to know you had a shadow sword? It was difficult to infer anything from your initial post. Were we supposed to infer that you already had Combuster and Voltedge, since you weren't considering them? And what about Final Flourish? I still don't understand why you're not considering them. Bye.
I never wrote down that i was mad. If i had Final flourish i wouldn't need the dark thorn, if i had combuster or voltedge i wouldn't want blizzbrand or avenger. You guys didn't consider these and i was disapointed not mad there is a difference. But i did appreciate you guys to post stuff but they were not what I was looking for and it kind of went off topic. And it isn't hard to know if someone has a certain type of weap or not, if unsure just ask or just answer the question easy as that.
I'm glad to hear that you're not mad. The second and third sentences of your post #32 seemed angry to me, what with the capitals, the not-thanking the "other individuals" who so thoughtlessly didn't infer your current arsenal, etc.
You complain that the thread went off topic. That often happens around here. You could have helped keep it in topic by posting occasionally, rather than just making the initial post and vanishing.
We didn't consider the other swords, because you didn't ask us to. (Nevertheless, I gave you a link to information about all swords in my post #4.) Your initial post, and hence this entire thread, would have been more successful if you had written something like:
"I use two weapon slots. One of them is filled with Master Blaster, and the other with a sword. So far it's been Silent Nightblade, but I want to get an elemental sword and a piercing sword. Which ones should I get? So far I like medium-speed swords, but the wider swing of the heavier swords seems like it might be helpful."
I'm sorry to hear that you're disappointed. My one consolation is that I've put more effort into this than you have.
Edit: Yes, I now believe that it was a troll thread. Too bad.
@Darkazain: You do seem angry/annoyed/pissed for some reason. How is anyone supposed to know what you want? There are places where a heavy elemental will do better than a medium speed elemental. Have you considered that? Or maybe we don't have to help at all. Nobody wishes to aid those who do not want help. Actually, it is hard. We didn't even know if you knew of shadow weapons. And was it hard to say you have a shadow weapon without putting down the people who tried to help you?
Even between FF and BTB there is a difference. You would use BTB in wolver dens, where there is multiple enemies. If you are up against trojans, FF has a better charge.
Demonic you are right. Sorry Everyone. I should have been more discriptive with what I wrote down. i'll do better in the future. Apology accepted??
I'm not sure that you owed us an apology, but insofar as you did, I accept it. Happy travels, until we meet again. :)
Avenger is elemental damage. Heavy sword, 2 swings. Charge attack send out one flying blade for ward
Dark Thorn is piericng, fast, 3 swings. Charge attack sends flying spikes in front of you.
Blizzbrand is elemental, normal speed, 3 swings. Charge sends explosions in a line that deal damage along with chance to freeze.
Get either avenger or blizz, and dark thorn as a 2nd weapon.