Spiral Knights - Charge attack for a Cutter

Charge attack for a Cutter

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Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:56

Skold-The-Drac

Going to start by saying I tried to search... but kept getting an error screen... didn't record the number so I can't tell you why. (First time it's done it on Chrome)

So, someone gets a cutter, they think it's a sick sword, willing to take it over the toothpicks. And then they see what the charge attack is...
Nice animation... pathetically useless. All because the enemy will not so much as flinch when being hit with the charge attack.
So this becomes a weapon with little utility compared to toothpicks. Simply due to the charge attack being among (far as I know) one of the only charge attacks that does not make the enemy flinch or even dodge.

It's simple... add a flinch to the enemy I strike on like, the 2nd or 3rd strike and for the final strike pls?

Is this asking too much?

Edit: In light of the comments below, I've decided to dedicate a list of all suggestions that have been made in order to better organize things.

Stagger of some fashion requested (4 supporters at least)
Foot movement incorporated (3 supporters)
Charge speed increase (increase speed of charge execution) (3 supporters)
Complete overhaul (2 supporters)

Is completely fine as is, *cough* still stated requires help *cough* (1 supporter)

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 05:54

Uuni

Only cutter charge that's not

Only cutter charge that's not completely useless is the wild hunting blade one when used on a single small target, it staggers it for the whole duration

IMO they should always stagger whatever they hit for the full duration, at least the 5* ones
Would be cool to charge it up and lock someone down with the charge attack in lockdown (lame pun) and deal heavy damage in the process

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 07:05

Fehzor

The cutter charges are great

The cutter charges are great in my opinion, as long as you can time it right and attack directly after enemies attack, and from an angle, you'll deal massive damage. Although I would agree with this, flinching on the charge would really make it more comparable to the charge of better swords, like DA, brandishes, etc etc.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 11:32

Skold-The-Drac

intention for uuni's comment

A stagger would be more helpful to a cutter's charge. It seems all other swords have at least a little stagger to them, cutter's the only one (in lesser star ratings at the least) with no manner of charged stagger for enemies... which makes no sense when you can swing away at the monsters and still stagger them a bit.

(I've hit many monsters with the cutter currently in my arsenal, it will stagger enemies (albeit shortly) if they're hit with the right stroke.)

A charged attack shows more effort put into your stroke(s) than the usual hack and slash.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 18:43

Diabound

Yes the charge attack

Yes the charge attack definitely needs an upgrade. But i doubt that OOO cares just like how they don't seem to care about the troika

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 23:04

Skold-The-Drac

Poor sword lines...

lost to the wayside whilst DA's, Toothpickers, and the like can just laugh at the person wielding them....

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 23:21

Severage

Yup.

Cutter lines really do need a new charge attack. It's all show unless you're fighting a single target at the perfect range (Longest distance possible) since it doesn't stagger and the enemy you're slicing to death can still hit you in the middle of it.

It's like they decided to make the charge attack for a sword an Autogun move. Autoguns can be difficult to use when kiting, swords are already vulnerable, let's just put them together and make the Cutter lines' charge unusable. lol

~Sev

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 23:26

Wolfkit

I find the charge attack to

I find the charge attack to be good against Vana's mask phase and Gun Puppies. Lumbers and Trojans too if you don't have a more appropriate sword.

But yeah, the charge attack could use a good buff. The charge isn't applicable to most situations, and takes skill to pull off in The situations when it is. Such a difficult to use charge attack deserves to have more oomph! to it.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 00:14

Trying

It's not that hard to use the

It's not that hard to use the cutter charge. The easiest way is shiver and then charge attack behind them. I do agree that the last swing of the charge should interrupt since a frozen lumber will turn around in just enough time to attack you right after the charge finishes so you are forced to tank the hit with your shield.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 02:52

Diabound

Compared to other charges,

Compared to other charges, this plants you down for a long time and also you can't break out of it. And Trying, alot of things are easier to do when they are shivered, hardly fair to say that only the cutter needs to have a weapons specifically to support especially considering the fact that the charge is not that powerful

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 10:41

#10

Erky

I have to agree with the op,

I have to agree with the op, the striker/cutter charge leaves much to be desired. I'm weighing the options here and I think a temporary stealth buff would be more useful than what it is now.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:30

#11

Windsickle

Maybe one of these.

I'd say that the Cutter series Charge Attacks need one or a combination of the following to balance it:

1: Whole Charge Attack speeded up so that it's about as fast as the average Sword Charge Attack.

2: Increase the Damage it deals to make it's long moment of vulnerability worth it.

3: Allow the user of the Charge Attack to move freely while releasing the Charge Attack at a movement speed similar to that of the movement speed of a Knight moving while constantly firing a Handgun, say, the Blaster.

4: Change it entirely.

5: Add the staggering mentioned multiple times above.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 17:45

#12

Aiolya

It would be alright If you

It would be alright If you could move while charging, pretty much like the the regular combo.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:28

#13

Skold-The-Drac

I think either damage or stagger

I think either damage or stagger would be sufficient enough to please me at least a bit more. Granted, each weapon should have their difficulties... but this? Sorry... it just doesn't fit. It isn't intuitive, and requires quite a bit more of the player than the norm. I enjoy the idea of moving a lot for the charge attack, and were it not for the spur line's usage of this concept for normal attacks, I'd say go for it.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 00:12

#14

Kimahsonite

Yes please. Cutter charges

Yes please. Cutter charges are useless right now.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 22:51

#15

Nubskills

What everyone said. +1

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 08:54

#16

Ztype

We need simple charge attacks

We need simple charge attacks to be upgraded, +1

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 15:11

#17

Orangeo

I'd like it if you could

I'd like it if you could cancel/turn. The only plus to the current charge is that you don't flinch, and thats useful as long as your enemy dosen't move and you don't run into spikes.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 15:13

#18

Tsubasa-No-Me

...

The cutter line deals normal damage.

From what I can see... OOO doesn't want you using normal damage weapons... I mean, look at all the nerfs on ALL normal damage weapons, coupled with the normal type damage ITSELF... Y-Y so, it seems to me... that they wont even think to fix this poor sword until they decide to unnerf the normal damage...

Sadly,
~Tsu

Sun, 02/12/2012 - 02:17

#19

Diamondshreddie

I agree

Tsu is sadly speaking the truth... just because we can deal consistand damage to all monster types... doesnt mean it should be less damage than a split normal special can do on an innefective type... :/ i mean come on normal damage should be able to out-dps .. or at least rival special damage on a neutral type

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