Spiral Knights - OMG full fsc+vana speedrun in 6 Minutes video!!11111

OMG full fsc+vana speedrun in 6 Minutes video!!11111

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Thu, 02/02/2012 - 10:12

Ufana

What, you say "x3 time lapse video" is not considered an acceptable speedrun technique?
Awww T_T but...
Well the Video is still 6 Minutes :P

Enjoy ;)
FSC in 18 Minutes in 6 Minutes

And when you're done enjoying... we need YOU to:
- Post a run with a better time for additional motivation ^^
- Post a run with different equipment / playstyle so we can steal all your "techniques" *g*
( ...so we can become the best fsc speedrunners evar + possibly obtain world domination for some reason as a by-product :3 )

This run took us about 17:24min in normal time and we know, it's theoretically possible to still shave off A LOT. Not sure how to do that in praxis though. Just take a look... Vana took us a lot of time - we were trying to play it safe but even considering that the time isn't too good. There are quire a few small "fails" everywhere throughout the run that cost a few seconds each - no idea what those add up to. Some of our trojans weren't "optimal" either... Guess it should be possible to get close to or below 15 Minutes even, if someone manages to play "perfectly" and also combine a good speed-vana with a preceding good speedrun?

If we could just combine the very fastest rooms of all speedruns into one super-speedrun Q_Q - well, but something always goes wrong, so for now: someone just post a 17:05 or something pls, so we have another "close goal" to aim at :D

Here's the same run in normal time by the way (this time "swordie view" instead of "bomber view", too), for all the people who have an attention span longer than 6 minutes...: fsc speedrun 17:24min / normal time

GL & HF!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 10:54

Merchant-Chan

you didn't kill the

you didn't kill the enemies
You might as well run around in circles in haven for 15 minutes

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 11:26

Tom-Awsm

A total waste of 18 minutes

What Merchant-Chan said. This is just ridiculous.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 12:50

Pawn

The complaints above are valid

But um...still really impressive if you actually watch it :) I think everyone would be more impressed with a 25 min vana run where u did kill all (most) the enemies. I would make that your new goal. Beat FSC while killing most of the enemies under 25 mins :)

BTW, it's nice to see someone shiver vana and realize that you should also be on water duty. Warms my heart. To speed up the vana kill the ultimate is shiver->water->shiver->water->shiver->water etc. The goal is to make the shiver drop point exactly 1/2 way between the top and bottom water pedestals (or left and right water pedestals). So drop the shiver grab top water and throw, drop shiver bottom water and throw. Just alternate which water you grab. :) It feels even more boss when pulled off. Not always possible tho, depending on where the slags are, fire on the floor is, etc.

Anyhow, wanted to break the string of hatorade and say this video was very impressive for what it is :)

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 12:58

Nicoya-Kitty

I think it's a pretty sweet

I think it's a pretty sweet run. There's different ways to challenge yourself in games. Sometimes you mop up everything, sometimes you race through for the fastest time.

I mean, who would criticize a good Sonic speed run just because the player didn't pick up all the rings?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 15:14

Khamsin

Ignore the haters saying you

Ignore the haters saying you need to kill everything. There are different types of speedruns, not every speed run involves doing everything. Shoot, speed runs in a lot of games are about skipping as much as possible.

Also I'm a big fan of the jazzy music.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:03

Chris

Hi Khamsin!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:08

Rangerwillx

Nice run.

Err.. random much Chris? Nothing bad.. just weird :p

Nice run.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:12

Alice-In-Pyroland

lol @ people hating because

lol @ people hating because of them speed running efficently. Never check out the Speed Run Archives, you guys would probably have a stroke.

As for the topic it's a very impressive no glitch speed run, even if a few people parts could probably use a little refining. Including glitches the single sprite glitch on d25 would've saved you a lot of time, but I presume you were aiming for a no-glitch run. Hope to see more from you guys, although I'm not sure which other stratums would really lend themselves to speed runs.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:12

Eldibs

Speedruns by their definition

Speedruns by their definition are qualified by speed and not by thoroughness. In this case the run was getting through FSC to the core, not clearing FSC.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:19

#10

Xylka-Mkii

Yeah, but I think that it

Yeah, but I think that it would be more entertaining to watch a fight through there in the fastest time in real time and some actual fighting in stead of watching someone run through a mob of very slow zombies.

Not hating, just saying. Good run either way.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:27

#11

Klotz

Real time video was linked as

Real time video was linked as well. Scroll to end of first post :)
Normally most people don't want to look over 15 minutes at some gameplay vid, so Ufana created a ffwd version.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 18:41

#12

Athaza

Subject hometown here:

Really enjoyed watching this.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 20:49

#13

Mirmulnir

I watched with a =O face and

I watched with a =O face and i laid my face on the pillow when it finished. True story.

Great job guys.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 22:25

#14

Yumpoptarts

yeah............ pretty much

yeah............ pretty much a waste you didnt kill that much monsters.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 22:28

#15

Renpartycat

Unoriginal.

Anyone can beat FSC.

Sorry, but I'm tired of the trillionth "LOL OMG FSC RUN ON YEWTOOB SO PRO XD!!1"

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 22:37

#16

Mirmulnir

To all the haters: Do it

To all the haters: Do it better then.
This video is awesome, even more because it shows the whole dungeon on 6min, which is a great tool to convince people to play.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 22:38

#17

Mirmulnir

To all the haters: Do it

Sorry, double post.
Dont tickle me to death please.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 22:56

#18

Renpartycat

@Mirmulnir

Sorry bro, but there are no "haters" here. You don't need to get upset just because someone doesn't like what you like.

Me and my friends have beat FSC enough times to get a Fang of Vog and Ancient Plate Set. FSC videos aren't impressive at all, not only because FSC isn't that hard, but because there are so many videos of it out there that it's gone out of style.

Yeah, I COULD do it better than anyone else here, but when you've done FSC long enough to have all of the rewards you don't NEED to do it better. That's like saying "Kill the royal jelly better" or "kill that gun puppy better". It's something that's been done so many times that it doesn't matter if you do it "better". Sure, you made a nice video, that's cool and all, I'm JUST SAYING that it's pretty mediocre.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 22:55

#19

Demonicsothe

Yay! Rens back!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 23:31

#20

Eldibs

Sigh... The point was not to

Sigh... The point was not to beat FSC, but to beat it fast. It was not to gain crowns or heat from clearing all the monsters, but to beat FSC fast. What part of "speedrun" aren't you getting? The "speed" part? The originality in this video is that he went through the trouble of going through the entirety of FSC (rather than just Vanaduke) with the goal of completing it as fast as possible. I've seen plenty of FSC videos, and plenty of Vanaduke speedruns, but I've not seen a speedrun for all of FSC yet. Provide a couple of links, give your claim of unoriginality some basis.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 00:58

#21

Renpartycat

@Eldibs

Doesn't matter. This thing has been done a billion times, it's not impressive, I don't care if Three Rings gives you infinite energy for making the Mona Lisa of Spiral Knights videos.

And yeah, because a non-profitable Vanaduke run TOTALLY makes you cool. Enjoy losing profit you silly hipster.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 03:03

#22

Eldibs

Actually, it was still

Actually, it was still profitable. The FSC run earned him a bit over 3700 CR (plus tokens), and if started at Basil, cost 50 energy. For this run to be unprofitable, energy prices would have to be at least 7400 CR per 100 CE. Even if it started at Emberlight, considering the MINIMUM value of the Almirian Seals (1000 CR each, 30 tokens gets one Ancient armor piece, which sells to a vendor for 30,000 CR), the run is still profitable. Maybe actually do the calculations before you declare it unprofitable.

And you claim speedruns of FSC have been done "a billion times," I'd like to ask you, once again, to actually back that statement up. Youtube links will be sufficient. I'll settle for videos of three separate speed runs. Three is significantly less than your exaggeration, so it shouldn't be too hard. And before you run off, they have to be speedruns of ALL of FSC to count. Speedruns of just Vanaduke don't qualify.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 03:06

#23

Alice-In-Pyroland

Don't mind Ren, someone

Don't mind Ren, someone forgot to give him his medication.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 08:55

#24

Jamoo

@Renpartycat

This is a thread, with Ufana just advertising his video.

FSC videos aren't impressive at all, not only because FSC isn't that hard, but because there are so many videos of it out there that it's gone out of style.
Anyone can beat FSC.
Anyone

I question that statement!
Could a new player who just got into haven beat vana? Hm???

Annnnyhooo

Yeah, I COULD do it better than anyone else here
Bragging rights are not permitted.

I'm JUST SAYING that it's pretty mediocre.
And your point in saying that is?

Bye! Jamoo bids everyone farewell.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 12:08

#25

Riodaisho

@Renpartycat

Wait, let me take your post and comment it a bit, shall we?

> Enjoy losing profit you silly hipster.
Those guys are playing since May, I'm not sure about Yekko here but who cares, they have all the equipment from Vanaduke. Why the flying f--- should they care about profit? Oh and you are kinda disagreeing with yourself, aren't we?

>Yeah, I COULD do it better than anyone else here
The point is about doing it faster and not better. And if you want to take this as an argument, then do it. Geez people and their big mouths ...

>I don't care if Three Rings gives you infinite energy for making the Mona Lisa of Spiral Knights videos.
I DON'T EVEN...

>you don't NEED to do it better.
I guess you aren't really the helper person in your guild then?

The point is about doing something challenging for yourself or are you still taking a SL as challenging? Then you might be wrong in the speed challenges just like Echoez said.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:34

#26

Jamoo

Oh lookie here.

Look, I'm going to explain this again so throw your ego out the window and listen.
We start with a description of a ego, I fail to see where that is expressed within this thread.

Now don't act like I don't get your point, because I do. Yes - Firestorm Citadel videos are up by the masses on Youtube, but can't you show a little compassion? This person, Ufana, most probably put allot of effort into making this video, and you just pop up and make all these comments?

nothing in this game is a challenge anymore
How about...soloing Darkfire Vanaduke (The whole shadow lair) in full proto (Weapons + Armor + Shield) without picking up a vita. So what do you say to that?. Oh and no deaths

and the lot of you derail this thread into personal attacks just to inflate your ego.
I cannot see where we launched personal attacks. Nor am I seeing someone try to inflate a ego. All we are doing is stating the obvious. The whole purpose of this game is to have fun, no? And performing and recording Firestorm Citadel runs is a way to have that sort of fun.

Bye! Jamoo bids everyone farewell.

EDIT: Nice to see that as I posted this, his post was removed :|

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:39

#27

Demonicsothe

wait a minute

Is ren trolling us and trying to get more nerdrage to heat his new weapons? Wonder what he crated this time.

So a non gm/dev did a speed run, without using keystrokes and crowbars. Isn't that new? Wouldn't the first fsc video, the first solo vana, the first proto fsc run, the first proto vana kill, be new? Or are they all old, mediocre, not interesting, because someone else already posted a fsc video?

Like others have said, this is a new grouping of fsc videos. Just like how a proto vanaduke is different from a solo vanaduke, this is a speed run that contains both vana and the levels before it. Of course, if you have seen other videos of a speed run that contains both, please tell us.

Honestly, besides asking you to back your claims up with other speed runs of fsc+vana, which you say have existed for so long and is so numerous, where are these personal attacks you speak of? Is Eldib's post of mathematics an attack at you? Besides the medication comment by a poster above, there isn't any attacks directed at you.

But if you wish to continue with the whole mediocre, all already have been done arguement... Hating isn't new, neither is calling things mediocre.

Edit: Where did his post go o.o

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:44

#28

Treizeknight

I've come to hate speed

I've come to hate speed runners due to TAS videos. But after all my runs with FSC, I'm impressed with what I saw. Gives me a reason to invest in that vortex shock bomb too.

To people complaining they didn't also kill everything or FSC has been done to hell and back. Just take the stick out of your ass and just enjoy an efficient run.

Granted they could have been more efficient in a few areas, but beats the hell out of my attempts.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 17:53

#29

Psychodestroyer

Tbh

I don't see why there are haters, especially for someone who has 'party' in his name, I find it surprising he's such a party pooper.

Way back last year, before the 'big nerf' of the jelly king, I finally managed to solo him with 2* gear, one energy revive.

Needless to say, I was ecstatic about my achievement, as I'd been aiming for that ever since my friend told me: 'Solo JK is sooooo hard', which was back when I first started.

So I made a forum topic about it, detailing everything I did. The replies weren't so bad. There was: 'Cool', 'ZOMG wasn't that impossible?', 'Nice achievement' 'Pics or it didn't happen' etc...

Fortunately, I didn't get haters. There were some people who tried to let me down easy, with like: 'Nice, but this has been done before' and 'solo JK is no big deal (having not read the 'I reved once' part and thought I reved lots)' etc... (I no mad)

Then I, along with some other nice forumers, had to explain that this was more of celebrating a personal achievement than bragging about mai pro skillz.

TL;DR: Stop being such killjoys. This person probably was just like: 'Oh yay, this happened' and wanted to celebrate, like how a collector would be like: 'Oh yay, I got exactly 999 of every material :D'

So just chill and let the dude have his fun. Like others have already said, speedruns are not measured by their thoroughness, but by the time taken. Otherwise all anyone'd need to do is find the highest Damage per second weapon in the game and just whack everything that moves, then move on.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 03:35

#30

Ufana

Thanks for the feedback! Pawn

Thanks for the feedback!

Pawn wrote:To speed up the vana kill the ultimate is shiver->water->shiver->water->shiver->water etc.
Thx! Didn't have luck with that though...Our vana keeps breaking loose if I don't have "double shiver" on him most of the time - I guess that's because we all have different CTR / ASI and the dmg dealers are usually firing away as fast as possible instead of waiting for the slower charges. Maybe we should go for 4 blitz instead of 3+shiver if we let him turn & club around anyway... but dropping nitro from my loadout makes some rooms more risky / dropping shiver would take away our "time buffer" for trojans we make spawn too early or in the wrong place (such "risks" tends to "add up" over the course of a run :/)...

Echoez wrote: Including glitches the single sprite glitch on d25 would've saved you a lot of time, but I presume you were aiming for a no-glitch run.
Yes... we did avoid that. Getting the team coordination in d25 right was a lot of fun, too. The times where we accidentally got water with less than 6 sprites we did it again from the beginning. This speedrunning sure tought us to HATE that §($)%/ing koalas inability to count, no matter if it's water too early or no water with 6 D:<

Echoez wrote: I'm not sure which other stratums would really lend themselves to speed runs.
We couldn't think of any that were as much fun as fsc for us :/
Jelly Palace might be a good place for 100% runs, but I think that'd just come down to a normal run with "perfect spawn management" in the end... don't know if there's really many choices to make there? Except maybe: NOT pressing the shield button ever xD because in such a 100% speedrun I guess single jellies that fly away from the "slaughtering area" would add up to most of the time you can loose there.

Echoez wrote: the Speed Run Archives
You mean general / other games speedrun archives or is there something SK-related that I missed? Been searching, but all I could find were speed-bossfights + one single "solo d24+25 with glitch"...

Eldibs wrote: 3700 CR (plus tokens), and if started at Basil, cost 50 energy
I don't usually pay attention to "clockwork cr", so all I know is that after some fun evenings of "speedrunning" when much of my AH stuff came back, I was surprised to find an extra 200-300k cr that the sold items couldn't possibly account for. I think we had elevator passes for that time though, so not sure how it works out without those.

Treizeknight wrote: Granted they could have been more efficient in a few areas,
If you see anything besides the obvious things (= mostly us getting the timing on trojan spawns wrong and having to run after them -.-" ) let us know please :D. We've been trying hard to find anything that doesn't come down to either "luck" or "minor imprecisions" that just tend to accumulate if you're playing so "recklessly"... so any hints are appreciated! We also have been wondering if doing vana with swords would be faster (there was a really great video of that around a while ago, but I can't find it any more -.- anyone know where it went?) even though we can't dress up for that in an optimal way due to the preceding speedrun... but I'm afraid that maybe even with training we'd only manage to do that 1 in 5 tried which would make a "full perfect run" way to improbable...

Oh, an there was one other thing we noticed during fsc runs without shields: Strangely, at times some rooms actually were faster than in our speedruns. So maybe we're still accidentally bumping too many zombies out of the "killing zone" with our shield cancels? Need to take a closer look at that :3

Still hoping for someone else to join in on the fun btw :D
We could really use a time to beat + a video with some new "techniques" to do that so we have something fun to do until those missions finally come out.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 03:57

#31

Rubyeclipse

I think this is really

I think this is really impressive! My guild team and I have been speed-running FSC + Vana for months now, and it's more fun than some might think.

Good work to you guys! I'll see if we can record / upload one of our videos sometime so you can see our techniques.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 06:55

#32

Klotz

The swordie vana vid is here:

The swordie vana vid is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkUrALD7rTQ&feature=related

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 17:01

#33

Ufana

/me drools all over that

/me drools all over that vana-video (again)
That would be an awesome end for a speedrun - wish we'd manage to do that as efficiently. Maybe with some more practice (only tried that tactic three times so far)... but still I fear, then our "speedrun loadouts" might get in the way... no idea how important maximizing team DPS is for avoiding "accidents" there.

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 18:58

#34

Riodaisho

*yawn* I'm still waiting for

*yawn* I'm still waiting for you guys to improve or other people posting faster runs! GO DO IT NOW! ;D

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