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Is my Arsenal the best for this game? (Updated) 4/6/2012

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Fri, 02/03/2012 - 03:32
Cocosnake's picture
Cocosnake

--------Armor-------------

Skolver Set Shock Max

Skolver Set Piercing Max

Snarbolax Set Shadow Max

Snarbolax Set Fire Max

Vog Set Elemental Max

------------------------Weapon--------------------

Divine Avenger CTR VH

Divine Avenger ASI VH

Gran Faust ASI VH

Acheron CTR VH

Combuster CTR VH

Glacius CTR VH

Voltedge CTR VH

Leviathan Blade CTR VH

Warmaster Rocket Hammer ASI VH

Barbarous Thron Blade ASI VH

Final Flourish ASI VH

Furious Flamberge CTR VH

Fang Of Vog CTR VH

Fang Of Vog ASI VH

Drad Venom Striker ASI VH

--------------Gun-----------------------

Argent Peacemaker ASI VH

Sentenza ASI VH

Blitz Needle CTR VH

Blitz Needle ASI VH

Magma Driver CTR VH

Hail Driver CTR VH

Storm Driver CTR VH

Valiance CTR VH

Callahan ASI VH

Polaris CTR VH

Polaris ASI VH

----------Bomb----------

Dark Retribution CTR VH

Shivermist Buster CTR VH

Ash Of Agni CTR VH

Dark Briar Barrage CTR VH

Electron Vortex CTR VH

Voltatic Tempest CTR VH

Stagger Storm CTR VH

Nitronome CTR VH
-----------------Shield---------------

Barbarous Thron Shield Normal Max

Volcanic Plate Shield Normal Max

Aegis Piercing Max

Crest Of Almire Normal Max

Grey Owlite Shield Elemental Max

Grey Owilite Shield Shadow Max

Royal Jelly Shield Piercing Max

---------------Trinkets-------------

Penta Heart Pendant X2 (HP +6)

all level 5 Module

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how do u guys think?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 03:41
#1
Fradow's picture
Fradow
Either you are troll or you

Either you are troll or you just have way too much money to spend on this game. I vote for the former.

And for your information, CTR on Polaris is meh, Magma driver is arguable compared to other alchemers, and no elemental/shadow shield is fail. Also, Shiver is a situational bomb which is only good for Vana, and pretty meh for the rest for experienced players. Other bombs are way better for everything else. Oh, and you don't even have a proper shadow weapon nor gunslinger armor.

So no, it's not the best at all. Frankly, you don't need all those shiny UV. It's easy enough to get capped for what you want in PvE.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 04:56
#2
Metagenic's picture
Metagenic
obvious wolver clone is obvious

…I think I'll let other people explain.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 06:21
#3
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
Gettin' a single max UV on

Gettin' a single max UV on your stuff, and then only have one of what you need? Pfft, hardly best ever.

A better arsenal would look more like:
Acheron: CTR, Gremlins
Acheron: CTR, Slimes
et cetera

Just goin' for a wolver line and no other armour? What you gunna wear in shock levels? Got a looooong way to go yet if you think that's the best in the game.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 06:31
#4
Cherubrock's picture
Cherubrock
needs more bombs and

needs more bombs and shields.

also only that many pieces of gear.

:-/

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 08:46
#5
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
Wut. Only one uv on those

Wut. Only one uv on those pieces?

And different uvs on the same kind of weapon?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 10:44
#6
Greenmagus
UV's

I'm also curious why you only list a single UV for each one of your options; some of your weapons are redundant with the other weapons you have, so if you have the cash you should add a couple UVs to them and sell the second copy.

Also, the people are correct you should have a shadow defensive shield. I'd also suggest a crest of almire as your best option, or failing that a dread skelly shield.

Also having health is good and all, but doing more damage (or doing it faster) is better. Perhaps consider some trinkets that boost either the ASI, damage, or CTR of your weapons?

And finally you may want to consider getting an item which prompts you to play nice with others; i've grouped with you a couple times and it's generally been an unpleasant experience.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 11:33
#7
Maeko's picture
Maeko
If all you have is those

If all you have is those Wolver suits... I really want to hurt you...

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 12:44
#8
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
Lol Maeko. Wolver clones

Lol Maeko. Wolver clones will be wolver clones.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:11
#9
Jaroche's picture
Jaroche
and no elemental/shadow

and no elemental/shadow shield is fail

No its not. There are very few places where you need another shield but BTS (like gun puppy danger room or Red Roarmulus Twins); BTS does just fine if you're good enough.

@Cocosnake are you still doing FSC with vog cub? -.- please, go and vendor that noob armor. Go get Snarby or Deadshot max fire set, its way more fun doing max damage than going with silly asi bonus. Also, Divine Avenger is for scrubs, get a Voltege or a Glacius.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:49
#10
Gpyro's picture
Gpyro
@Jaroche

you forgot combuster!

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 16:02
#11
Sypsy's picture
Sypsy
Hmmm

Heyo Cocosnake

Few things:
1) Meh on the Skolver helm w/ shadow max. Seems redundant with your other stuff.
For PVP, I'd get another max pierce skolver then work on getting a shock high/max combo to be immune to VT.

2) You should get a swifstriker buckler for ASI High. It works for guns & swords, so you can apply the bonuses to almost all of your weapons. I suppose a max normal UV would make sense, but it could be whatever else you want. It's not hard to dodge (even in T3) so a strong shield isn't really needed.

3) I would work on some CTR swords outside of the DA. The brandish line of charges are good. Acheron & at least one of the other elemental brandishes.

4) VT for that shocking fun in pvp.

5) Gunslinger armor for the next step. Deadshot works well for fsc, as Jaroche mentioned.

With 2&3 paired, you can have max ctr & a decent ASI to pair with it while using your trinkets.

Then you can do things like this:
JK Run.
Skolver set -> vhigh swd dmg
Swiftstrike -> high asi
trinkets: swd asi & dmg
DA -> vh ctr --> w/ everything: max ctr, ultra asi, max dmg
Acheron -> vh ctr --> w/ everything: max ctr, ultra asi, max dmg
Polaris -> vh asi --> w/ everything: max asi
4th slot --> whatevs you want.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 16:27
#12
Dark-Flare's picture
Dark-Flare
o_o

1) Talk to this guy first. http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/39730
2) Talk to Spiral-Hipster next.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:07
#13
Metagenic's picture
Metagenic
Okay [I bet some of these have been said before]

- No gunner armor

- No bomber armor

- No elemental or shadow shield

- Shivermist Buster (worst bomb in the game, only worshipped by FSC wolver clones) hinders kiting and is only useful in giant crowds

- No shadow gun

- No good bombs (Dark Briar Barrage, Radiant Sun Shards, Voltaic Tempest, Electron Vortex, or even Nitronome)

- 2x Fang of Vog is unnecessary, because Combuster beats FoV in almost every aspect besides not being able to deal fire with normal swings

- Sentenza is the worst non-normal gun in the game because gremlins and beasts dodge it (meaning that you'll be lucky if even ONE of your shots connects)

- Too many redundant weapons

- Your Snarbolax Set and Skolver Cap have totally irrelevant Max UVs

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:26
#14
Alynn's picture
Alynn
WOAH WOAH WOAH

Shivermist is the WORST bomb and HINDERS kiting?? wtf are you talking about its good for arenas, mass kat places, devilites, and pretty much everywhere
you can kite, which is basically hit and run, perfectly with shivermist......

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:42
#15
Usef-Berrys's picture
Usef-Berrys
He isn't really trying to ask

He isn't really trying to ask if he has the best he wants people to come on here and fan him like he is a god, when people with less UVs can out skill him. He is just trying to show off with some items I doubt he has, pretty pathetic

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:50
#16
Rangerwillx's picture
Rangerwillx
@Alynn

I hate shivers, except when they're in devilite levels or vanaduke.
Shiver is my least favourite bomb in the game, by far. Good at vanaduke, devilite places, and that's it.
Not pre FSC, just D28.

My vortex can destory anything ~3x faster then using shiver.

All the shiver does is create a wall of death.

@Metagenic We need to party sometime, =D

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:51
#17
Alynn's picture
Alynn
@rangerwill

when you use shiver you make a wall of death?
wow........
I guess im a pro at shiver cause that never happens to me

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:23
#18
Metagenic's picture
Metagenic
Why Shivermist sucks

- Kiting: Shivermist Buster STOPS enemies from moving, which hinders kiting as none of the mass-frozen enemies can run at you

- Good for arenas: wrong, Ash of Agni and Voltaic Tempest do it better

- Kat places: Electron Vortex can wreck Kats better, shock ruins their attack pattern and they can't fly at you while they're in the radius of suction

- Devilite places: Why would I even bother with a status vaporizer, I'll just bring a Dark Briar Barrage

- Crowd control: Electron Vortex + Combuster/Acheron charge attack kills crowds, instead of just immobilizing them in place

- Turrets: Just avoid the bullets and use Radiant Sun Shards

Basically, the only thing Shivermist does is buy you some breathing room when you're being surrounded, otherwise there are better bombs for any other situation.

…

@Rangerwill I've been reading The Ranger's Apprentice recently, I assume that's where you got your name? :D

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 01:40
#19
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
@Shiver discussion:No one's

@Shiver discussion:
No one's sayin' that shiver is "the best bomb" or anythin', what we're sayin' is that it's the best at what it does; that is, crowd control. FSC Wolvers worship it because they don't realise that there's better solutions to the problem than crowd control, but even in FSC there's times when Shiver does the job pretty damn nicely, and outside of it, shiver is excellent and giving you what you need, when you need it. It's not a bomb you run around spamming everywhere, it's a secret weapon you carry with you and when you do use it; it never fails you.

@Ranger/Alynn:
Pretty much what Alynn said. If you Wall of Death yourself, that's just you using it wrong, not the bomb being bad. Shiver was the first bomb I ever owned and used and I've managed to never lock myself in a corner.
Should be noted that a lot of things can kill groups faster than Vortexes too; does that mean they're useless? As I'm about to say repeatedly; don't compare Shiver to dps weapons or of course it'll look bad, but that's not the point or what makes it a good bomb.

@Meta:
Kiting: Shiver stops enemies from moving. When this is a bad thing, you don't use it. However, you're treating it as if it's never a good thing. Sometimes a pause button is perfect for the situation, especially for bombers. Frozen enemies means you can take your sweet time to safely place a bomb wherever you want. You don't always need to kite, especially when the discussion is crowd control; kiting is a different kind of control altogether.

Good For Arenas: Actually, you're wrong; it IS good for arenas. He never said it's BEST for arenas, but it's damn good. Especially when there's healers or Greavers floatin' around; a single Shiver will let you pick out the problem mobs. It does it's job perfectly there via crowd control. Your suggestion was DoT and killing them as a group, but that's not crowd control at all.

Kat Places: Don't even joke, Kats can fly right out of Vortexes and there's no way to stop them short of having them fly into a post-det Vortex and having it explode; and that's only good for damage, not crowd control. Shiver is vastly superior for dealing with Kats becasue it freezes all of them in a wider arc and lets you just kill them, or even plant a vortex at their feet.

Devilite: Pretty much agree with you there, but that's not to say it's not useful. Nothin' like havin' every Devilite face one way and be frozen solid, lettin' you step behind them and spam the DBB with greater safety for your team. Again, DBB is damage, Shiver is crowd control; you can't compare them.

Crowd Control: Shiver is the definition of crowd control. You're talking about ways to kill them, which is besides this point. Shiver controls a crowd perfectly and indefinitely. Take the last room in IMF for an example; the three mobs spawn infinitely. Your suggestion will lead to endless killing; what you want there is crowd control. Dropping a shiver every ten seconds does just that. Every other point of this discussion is based around this point, and you're mistaking what that entails. "Kills crowds" is not crowd control, you're thinking of AoE-killing. That is not Shiver's job, therefore it can't be compared. Apples and Oranges.

Turrets: Again I agree, but it's not always an option. Ever been in the danger room on T3 where only Turrets and Scuttles spawn? With about 15 turrets surrounding you shooting 6 bullets each "just dodging" isn't an option. Yet again, your suggestion totally diverts from Crowd Control and goes into dps. Wanna kill a turret? Sure, spam RSS and get potentially shot. Wanna kill a turret SAFELY?

Basically, Shivermist buys you some breathing room, which is an amazing option to be able to have as an when you want, especially when you're surrounded. You seem to be forgetting that Shiver is **crowd control**, it's not there to kill the fastest, it's not there to be the best, it's there to control crowds, at which nothing in the game does a better job. Vortexes control crowds excellently, but with their continued movement and explosions KB it's not as high a level of control as "you lot; stand there and never move again".
Stop mixing up Crowd Control with AoEdps.
Shivermist does its job perfectly and is unmatched at that job. If you think it's useless then you're using it wrong.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 02:21
#20
Metagenic's picture
Metagenic
@Darkbrady

You make some great points, and I admit that I was probably using the Shivermist the wrong way. However, I still stand by my final resolution:

Shivermist Buster WOULD be a useful bomb if the nerfstorm hadn't hit Cradle. Now that monsters are so slow, there's really no reason to use it over other bombs.

Not trying to shoot down your post, but that's how I see it.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 02:53
#21
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
Nah, totally agree with that.

Nah, totally agree with that. Ever since the Nerfstorm (I love that, and am stealing it) I've found myself usin' it far less too. Most of the areas in FSC that it used to be useful are done far easier with vortexes now, since you won't get clawed fifty times before you know what hit you.

I mainly use it in the last room of IMF, with Greavers if I happen to have it on me when I meet them, Kats and just anywhere else I happen to need to chill. I only really use it on Kats because I cbf ever chasin' them around with a sword, and RSS is way more effort than it's worth on them :(

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 09:35
#22
Trying's picture
Trying
umm

Have any of you used a vortex in a T3 arena?
Last wave:
1. Vortex
2. Gremlin Healing circle in vortex
3. Toss poison vial or use VV
4. ???
5. Profit!

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 09:46
#23
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
Vortex is all I use in the

Vortex is all I use in the last wave of Arena room3s. Just run in a big circle droppin' vortexes, everythin' will just die one after another. Any other party members needn't do anythin' other than go after the healer and just run with you, maybe toss some bullets or vials into the vortex.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 12:18
#24
Rangerwillx's picture
Rangerwillx
Shiver.

@Metagenic Yep, love the RA series. =D

@Darkbrady I actually don't even own a shiver any more, I crafted it as my first 5* weapon, and it worked OK.
A month or so later, however, I joined my fabulous guild The Risen.
The founder of the guild, you've probably heard of him Velcro, is the person who shined light upon the Vortex series.
Ever since, ILU vortex 4eva! <3

I was ragin' a bit, but shiver really does ruin my vortex attempts sometimes.
It's quite annoying when a shiverer puts down a vortex and I know that the vortex could get the job done a lot faster with my brandish.

Also, nothing is as fun as then just planting vortexes over and over in a arena full of mecha knights.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 12:21
#25
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
Shiver was amongst my first

Shiver was amongst my first 5*s too, but I used it as a control bomb, not a crows killer.
Cannae say I've heard of Velcro, but when I started usin' Vortexes myself, I still hung onto my Shiver; like I said in my other post, it's very easy to use them in tandem smoothly, they're just not to be used for the same things.

If someone else is in the party screwing up, again that's down to improper use and bad tactics, but it's not the bomb being inefficient at it's job. It's like Nitro; the bomb is great, but put it in the hands of a fool and you'll hate nothin' more. Put it in the hands of a pro and everythin' flows velvetty smoooooth

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 21:12
#26
Jonathansiu's picture
Jonathansiu
lol I love how the topic has

lol I love how the topic has changed from he ultimate gear set to the fight between vortex and shiver XD but it does arouse my interest in owning an electron even though I have a shiver alrdy. if I aim to use just one bomb in FSC and esp UFSC, which one would be better if I aim to keep my party and myself alive?

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 20:48
#27
Encross
TL;DR no

Originality is a concept desired by many, yet obtained by few.

TL;DR feels good to be a hipster

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 03:03
#28
Dingleberry-Muffin's picture
Dingleberry-Muffin
@ cocosnake: no

@ cocosnake: no

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 09:45
#29
Embodien's picture
Embodien
Seeing as topics have changed.

I like turtles.
Shiver = cool (situational)
Vortex = large amount of mobs e.g. zombies jellies etc

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:08
#30
Culture's picture
Culture
Hmm

@Cocosnake nice arsenal.

On the topic at hand... I carry both to FSC since I like to play bomberman there. I use Vortex any time there are more zombies than I can hit with my charge attack. I'll drop it then combo it with Voltedge charges, they are all dead after that. Shiver I'll use if there is an errant Trojan and for Vanaduke. I used it all the time when I first started doing FSC (and before I had EV/Voltedge) but it is quite unnecessary if you have a good party.

TL;DR Shiver in FSC = easy-mode. If a team is good enough to not need easy-mode then skip it, enjoy the challege and finish FSC even quicker.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 19:09
#31
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
@Jonathansiu: A bomber is all

@Jonathansiu:

A bomber is all about versatility and bein' able to do strange and unique things as/when they need. Having both gives you more options; sometimes shiver is better, sometimes a vortex is. Sometimes both are just useless. Sometimes you could use either.

So own both! :D

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 02:19
#32
Stelli's picture
Stelli
I think you should get one of

I think you should get one of every piece of armour / weapon. With your cash input in this game, it shouldn't be very difficult~

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 07:28
#33
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
I think you should read the

I think you should read the last post date. With your grasp of the english language, this shouldn't be too hard to understand.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 07:45
#34
Whimsicality's picture
Whimsicality
3

Poor Coco was waiting two months for a reply, don'tcha know?

>No Cautery Sword
I am severely disappointed.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 10:22
#35
Quasirandom's picture
Quasirandom
The right piece of gear with

The right piece of gear with no UV is better than the wrong piece of gear with arbitrary UVs. I don't actually believe that you have all of that stuff with those UVs, largely because there are such gaping holes that I'd think you'd have realized in the time it takes to get all of that stuff--unless you basically bought it all with real-life money. If it's the latter, then thank you for supporting the game and driving CE prices down.

Shivermist buster is a very nice bomb for the situations where it works well. It's also pretty much useless against freeze mobs. For the final wave of non-fire arenas, ash of agni is vastly better.

Your shield selection is woefully inadequate as well. You have absolutely nothing to defend against elemental, shadow, poison, shock, or freeze.

Fri, 04/06/2012 - 13:23
#36
Cocosnake's picture
Cocosnake
Actually i've updated my

Actually i've updated my gears a lot if u dont believe it

you are welcome to add me as a friend in-game

to see it

IGN = cocosnake

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