Forums › English Language Forums › General › The Arsenal

Search

Best gun for Vana mask phase

11 replies [Last post]
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 23:05
Misten's picture
Misten

Hi, i'm a player from asia and i forever have one bar of latency which is partly the reason why i'm a gunslinger. It take around 1+ sec before the game register me as shielding. I always have to click shield before the monster shows any sign of attack in order to block. Therefore, during the vana mask phase when i move forward to hit the mask after throwing the water, the moment i saw the fireballs on the screen coming my way, it is already too late to shield and i will be hit.

So the question is, what is the best gun against vana mask phase, preferably outside the radius of the encircling fireball and its projectile? Thanks.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 23:39
#1
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
Best gun? Blitz needle. Huge

Best gun? Blitz needle. Huge damage is huge damage, regardless of a small resist against it. I'm not sure about the range though. Argent peacemaker is a decent gun for the mask, and for the body as well.

Basically any weapon you use to fight vana, can be used to take the mask. Although, polaris doesnt seem as effective on it as other weapons.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 00:51
#2
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
I use Pepperbox; high base

I use Pepperbox; high base damage, especially if you toss off a charge and there's no resistance; can knock of well over 1k damage with a full charge. I'm not sure how much damage is reduced from Blitz, but I imagine that'd probably be about as effective.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 01:13
#3
Misten's picture
Misten
Hmm

But if i charge shot from outside the radius of the fireball to the mask, won't the needle be too spread out and only hit half of them? or does the 1K damage number already taken this into account?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 01:18
#4
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
You can't stand miles away or

You can't stand miles away or you will miss too many to the side, but you can safely stand close enough to the mask to land all 15 without being hit by fireballs. Keep in mind though that this is a charge, and not practical if you're solo. However, even the regular shots will still do a fair chunk of damage and allow you to stand farther away if you're jittery.

EDIT: just noticed you said needle; my response was about the pepperbox. The Blitz should allow you to stand slightly farther away and hit them all since the bullets are more direct, while the Pepperbox has a wavy motion charge, but you should be quite safe using either, if that's your main concern.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 08:45
#5
Otaia's picture
Otaia
@Darkbrady The mask resists

@Darkbrady The mask resists quite a bit of damage. I'm not sure how much Blitz does without damage bonuses, but here's the damage values for charged Blitz at Vana with +4 (Very High) damage:

Body (face): 180
Body (back): 194
Body (poisoned): 218
Mask: 128

The damage to the mask is about 71% of the damage to the front of his body. Pepperbox probably does a little more to the mask.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 08:50
#6
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
Ooft, that's a pretty big

Ooft, that's a pretty big jump!
For comparisons sake, since you posted figures:

I don't have my Pepperbox to 5* yet and I don't carry gun damage gear (altough last time I was in I had Undead:low).
Last I recall hitting the mask for with a 4* Pepperbox and Undead:low was 71 per charge bullet. It's pretty easy to let every bullet hit.

5* and VH damage could probably up that considerably, should be able to, at the very least, match off the Blitz's damage on the Mask, if not slightly more. Unfortunately that's not something I can test out, since I completely lack gun:damage gear :(
Also, completely cannae mind any damage against Vana himself, but that's neither here nor there.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 09:15
#7
Mrtechnodragon
@darkbrady

I am a junior gunner and was wondering what gear guns and possible bomb would be good for me.

Waffelzz =^,..,^=

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 16:04
#8
The-Rawrcake's picture
The-Rawrcake
Volcanic Pepperbox is the

Inside the circumference of the cirlce = Volcanic Pepperbox DPS-wise (mask takes normal, resists everything else)

Outside of the circle = Valiance for safety.

Do not compare damage number that you experienced to someone else though, you both need the same exact damage bonuses and heated at 10, 5* guns.

So the damage numbers you might have read above could be a bad comparison.

My conclusion:

If your goal is a mask-oriented gun, get the Valiance. It is so much safer than using the Blitz / Pepperbox on the second mask phase. But you might not need a mask-phase oriented gun, once you get good at it something like a Polaris (what I use) will suffice.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:26
#9
Misten's picture
Misten
Thanks

Thanks for all the advice. I will first practice with blitz needle (very close to the borderline in order to hit) and if it somehow still can't work well that i would build a Valiance for it.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 03:18
#10
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
But you might not need a

But you might not need a mask-phase oriented gun, once you get good at it something like a Polaris (what I use) will suffice.

I think that's probably the key point to this thread, in all honesty. The mask phases are the "simplest" of sorts and the least important to have high dps. Sure, you're being timed on your damage, but it's not the end of the world to need to throw another fireball, and havin' to trapsie all through FSC then do three other far more dangerous phases with a weapon you took solely for the mask phase will generally not be worth it; you'd rather a weapon that will really help everywhere else and just use that on the Mask.
As for Pepperbox, I use that anyway for everywhere else and just happened to luck out that the mask still receives normal damage regularly; but I wouldn't bring it JUST for the mask. Just use whichever gun you want for FSC/Vana and just fire it into the mask. If it happens to be normal, you're jammin'. If not, s'not gunna kill you to throw another waterball or two.

Weeeeell, it might! :D

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 03:18
#11
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
But you might not need a

But you might not need a mask-phase oriented gun, once you get good at it something like a Polaris (what I use) will suffice.

I think that's probably the key point to this thread, in all honesty. The mask phases are the "simplest" of sorts and the least important to have high dps. Sure, you're being timed on your damage, but it's not the end of the world to need to throw another fireball, and havin' to trapsie all through FSC then do three other far more dangerous phases with a weapon you took solely for the mask phase will generally not be worth it; you'd rather a weapon that will really help everywhere else and just use that on the Mask.
As for Pepperbox, I use that anyway for everywhere else and just happened to luck out that the mask still receives normal damage regularly; but I wouldn't bring it JUST for the mask. Just use whichever gun you want for FSC/Vana and just fire it into the mask. If it happens to be normal, you're jammin'. If not, s'not gunna kill you to throw another waterball or two.

Weeeeell, it might! :D

Powered by Drupal, an open source content management system