Spiral Knights - [Soloing FSC] Plasma Cap or RSS?

[Soloing FSC] Plasma Cap or RSS?

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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 12:03

Rangerwillx

At this point, my loadout for soloing FSC is good, but to have a bit more fun I'm going to add another bomb in.

My loadout would be one sword, one gun, and two bombs.

My loadout before my decision to add another bomb was:

1. Voltedge.
2. Final Flourish.
3. Silversix. (Great for vanaduke and a awesome solo gun for zombies with it's ease of use.)
4. Electron Vortex.

At this point, I'm looking to replace the Final Flourish.
It's great for trojans and vanaduke's body but the voltedge does a better job just about everywhere else.

So my new loadout would look like Voltedge, Silversix, insert 4* bomb here, Electron Vortex.

At this point, it looks like the most useful bombs would be a Plasma Cap or a RSS.

For soloing FSC, which do you think would be more helpful?

Thanks :)

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 12:38

Darkbrady

RSS, without a doubt. You

RSS, without a doubt. You can walk through D24~29 using nothing but RSS and not take a scratch. The only thing that causes RSS problems at all are Trojans, and you have that covered with your other weapons.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 12:54

Trying

seriously...

RSS used to be the go to bomb for Trojans. The bonus damage against fiends helps out a lot too.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 13:02

Darkbrady

Trojans make a mockery of me

Trojans make a mockery of me with RSS, but that's because I'm in the habit of DBB-Dizzying them, and RSS' fuse is too short for that; other than that it's chargin' them onto your drop, or doin' what swordies do. Or, if you have someone else, RSS can totally wreck them no hassle.
But generally still not worth the effort, better off just usin' swords, shiver, DBB etc.

For the rest of FSC though, RSS is the main man, the big cheese, the booyahkashah, the championey...

And all for the price of a 4* bomb! :D

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 13:30

Fradow

For solo, RSS without a

For solo, RSS without a doubt. Shock bomb is more about dps on huge crowds. You have that covered with your electron + voltedge combo.

On the other hand, RSS can OS a zombie and is overall a very fun and useful bomb to bring in FSC.

Note that I would have said otherwise for partying, because teamates hinder RSS positionning and shock bomb is very useful to a party.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 13:35

Nicoya-Kitty

I think the plasma cap would

I think the plasma cap would overlap with the EV a bit much to be useful in that loadout.

I've been using my VV (well, it's still a toxic atomizer at the moment) lately as a crowd optimization bomb in FSC, and it makes a nice support bomb for vana if you're on slag duty while the rest of the team is doing a shiverblitz. But again, you've already got the EV for crowd optimization.

I honestly haven't tried my sun shards against trolljans. From what I understood the fuse delay was just long enough to do a dizzy-spin, though obviously you'll have to do it much quicker and closer than you would with a DBB. Of course, the DBB makes easy short work of groups of trolljans when soloing.

Since you're soloing, you could go with a Nitronome. Mind you, there's not much challenge in just standing still and dropping the bomb over and over again while nothing even comes remotely close to touching you, so it might be a bit boring. :D

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 13:39

Darkbrady

Aye, RSS is pretty awful in

Aye, RSS is pretty awful in large groups because most players tend to have pretty horrendous manners towards bombers but solo, or even in a small 2man (maybe 3man) party with someone you know and are used to workin' with and have a solid gameplan it's definitely possible to work RSS' smoothly into teamplay.

But otherwise, wotFradowSed.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 16:05

Rangerwillx

RSS, :o

That's quite interesting, I was expecting a plasma cap crowd, yet RSS wins.
I'm glad I didn't go ahead and make my lightning cap a plasma, as it will be my tier two lockdown bomb now.
It's also nice that I have a sun shards lying around.

@Nicoya-Kitty Even though I have a super blast bomb lying around, I'm not very interested in the blast bomb line, as it's damage is low and I don't find it being a very fun bomb to use. Plus, if I ever want to use RSS in a party, sure I'll use it.
But blast bomb.. http://canitbesaturdaynow.com/images/fpics/3426/b4fb8e211b399cee2839832f...

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 20:11

Psycho-Dani

Yay!

Something I can contribute to! n_n

I suck with swords, but I do the occasional FSC carry, so this might apply to the topic, if not oh well.

I personally carry with Voltedge, DBB, VT and Vliance, (Volty is just for mask phase and stragglers, <3 my DBB) but you can of course swap out Vali+DBB for Vort and your silly eagle :)
As for the bomb, I'd recommend RSS for fast kills on single mobs like trojans and slagglers (Bad puns :D) because with all the shock weapons you'll probably have no use for the Plasma cap.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 03:32

Darkbrady

Well the thing with VT is

Well the thing with VT is that although it's handy for AoE damage, it's still based around DoT damage and more of a support bomb; e.g, you'd use that THEN switch to your RSS anyways, and let the shock help you kill them, or you'd use VT and let your party lay into them. It's great as a support option, but when the situation dictates that you're typically solo and it's a choice between DoT or DpS, then the RSS will trash VT, as a straight up comparison between VT and RSS will have the DoT taking far longer.
However, it should be noted that it also does depend on the rest of your gear. Assuming you have some bomb gear bonuses there at all, RSS will stand up pretty quickly, but if you don't, then RSS will get progressively less impressive, whereas the VT will pretty much always have the same effect (since it's based around afflicting shock and letting that do the damage) so all you'd need for that is CTR. If you have nothing for bombs, then it's a matter of dropping a VT and swingin' your swords around, but if you have some bomb bonuses then the RSS will quickly overtake and let you blow the world up with that.

As for Nitro, that bomb really requires having VH+ bomb damage and max CTR so it's completely spammable with high damage. The overall damage per hit is about the same/lower than RSS, but it's not limited to numbers like RSS and has a KB which can be useful when utilised correctly. Main point of the bomb is that it's become quite niche and used mainly by pure bombers; if you've got a lot of sword gear in your loadout then it's generally not worth usin' a blasty.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 06:37

#10

Aquajag

Um, Plasma? Really? I would

Um, Plasma? Really? I would do Voltaic Tempest if anything. Not to knock the Plasma, but having used 4* haze bombs down there, the 5* is just so much better. The radius makes a HUGE difference in your ability to mess up mobs. If you're only going to go as far as 4*, to mach the cost of the RSS, then stick to RSS. People keep telling me it's over powered (as I mow them down), but I believe that's only because it's 4*. It's beautiful, really. I've had groupies complain about my shiver spam, but never complain about my RSS (except when they think the ideal way to do FSC is to hide behind blocks, because my RSS gets a little reckless with the block destruction).

I don't solo, because it's rather tricky with trojans and I'm a MAD bomber, so I die easy from status effects (still working on that). But when I do FSC, I carry two weapons: Shivermist, and RSS. And I can solo plenty of the sprite rooms: Freeze, move in and drop an RSS, slaughter. RSS gives me range advantage as well, something a bomber desperately needs at times. But if you're packing guns and swords, I'm wondering if Shivermist might be a better choice. The vortex you've got does do some crowd control, but it's a bit dicey (and rather butt slow). Shiver locks things in place, and gives you time to charge up your attacks.

Though I must say when grouping, I've loved it when someone has a vortex. They drop that, I drop my RSS right in it, and everything dies. It's a beautiful (and fast) pairing.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 07:49

#11

Rangerwillx

@Aquajag

I suppose I should consider VT, but I wouldn't have the funds to upgrade it for a while.
I'm not really considering Shiver because I've had it before and it isn't really a fun bomb to use, and that's what I'm looking for, with a added touch of usefulness.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:08

#12

Fradow

@Nicoya-Kitty On contrary,

@Nicoya-Kitty On contrary, Shock bomb + Electron is an awesome combo which destroy crowds ultra fast due to Shock AoE property. I tried it a little in RJP with a friend, it was faster (at least it seems to me) than Shock + Fire.

The only problem is : are you able to use both at once ? When I tried it, I was with a friend. When I use a Vortex, I tend to ONLY use the vortex and chain them so that mobs never get fling.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:07

#13

Darkbrady

If you're stopping at 4* then

If you're stopping at 4* then don't even consider usin' the haze; RSS will trash all the worth of a 4* haze in there.

And RSS is plenty fun and useful!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:13

#14

Nicoya-Kitty

@Fradow Well, the EV already

@Fradow Well, the EV already shocks the mobs, as does the Voltedge charge, so adding a VT to that is completely redundant.

Given that in S6 a VE charge does ~600 damage direct plus a few ~150 dmg explosions, whereas the EV does ~230 on its own (based on the GV's numbers, EV doesn't have the damage table filled out yet), doing EV+VE combos will net you a massively higher DPS and basically guaranteed strong shock compared with EV chaining.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:22

#15

Fradow

I don't know for Voltedge,

I don't know for Voltedge, but for electron, the shock ratio is far from being 100%, and only occurs at the end of the vortex.
Vt also have a non-negligible direct damage component (around 200 on undeads in strata 6).

But yeah, Voltedge is probably a better option, sure. Just because of the direct damage it probably smokes VT on a vortex, if you can hit all the mobs with the slash.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 18:15

#16

Aquajag

I agree with DarkBrady: if

I agree with DarkBrady: if you decide to go 5*, think about the voltaic tempest then. If you aren't going 5* for now, do RSS. Compared to any other 4* bomb, it rules. Do it! I understand about the timing of 5*, I only have Shiver and AoA so far... takes time to get to each one! I love shiver myself, but it does lend to a slower, more defensive play. If that's not your style, definitely go RSS. It's a blast.

Three of us in LockDown had RSS the other day. Really irritated the other team. ;)

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