Honestly I wouldn't mind as it is if it at least had a different text color than the normal Zone chat, that way you could at least use it to browse over your already hard to navigate chat box a little easier.

We just really need some major re-working on the chat, that being said can't complain about them at least trying to respond.

Also No auction houses you usually only need those in games with huge player bases, its not necessary and honestly half the fun of the game is dealing with the market at least for me.

Do I even want to get into this?

Um. What?

/leave trade

What GodTaz said. The vast majority of those who are sending out trade chats do so in /2, and those that don't get informed pretty quickly. Pretty much all of the people who've been told once or twice use /2, and many of them are thankful to have someone clue them in.

We are Homo Sapiens, not Homo Economicus.

i know when i sell i just across all havens, and when i buy i just sit in haven 1 listening to trade chat.

and you smell

I could be nice and get my point across, but it wouldn't be as fun.

I'm tired of dealing with stupid people. It's exhausting in itself and even more so to pretend I tolerate them. Just don't feel like it. Anyway.

How could "common sense" bring me to learn that you toggled trade chat on and off? Common sense doesn't tell me at all. I read your posts, and it didn't paint a picture of a reasonable or balanced person.

1. You claimed that Everybody knows that the general population immediately turned off trade chat [How the hell did you even come to this conclusion? Did you take a poll? Ask the collective community? Or did you just turn it off, ask a couple people, and come to your nonsensical conclusion that no one else shares?]

2. You turned off both zone chats until a solution is made as if you were protesting the imaginary problem, even though it wouldn't accomplish anything even if it was real

3. You still seem to be under the impression that /2 isn't being used for trade, even though I and others have told you otherwise, not to mention you could just check the game yourself and observe

In fact, here, screenshots of what chat actually looks like when you don't leave /2, and when your sight isn't clouded by delusion.

[Haven 1]
http://i.imgur.com/tWzys.png

[Haven 2]
http://i.imgur.com/TD24h.png

[Haven 3]
http://i.imgur.com/iFS0Z.png

[And if you think I've edited these pictures in some way, or otherwise manipulated the game in order to produce these results, I'd like to ask others to also take screenshots of their game to show that /2 is used predominantly as the channel for trading.]

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All that there is for me to assume is that you're irrational, jump to conclusions and invent problems out of nothing way too quickly, and continue to defend yourself despite proof against your argument.

In my experience, the vast vast vast VAST majority of actual market advertising is now done via trade. Exiting the channel (if you really want to live in your own economic isolation and progress 20 times more slowly as a result) will result in near radio silence. Once in a while a few enterprising people will venture into /1, but they're few and far between. Rare. The exception, not the rule.

To state something along the lines of "EVERYBODY WILL TURN OFF TRADE CHAT AND NOBODY WILL USE IT ZOMG," ..... it's absurd, and I know that not based on meandering speculation (it does, however, seem to be the only basis for the complaint in the first place). I know it from experience. It's what I've seen in actual practice in literally EVER gaming session in EVERY Haven instance I've been in since the update.

It's being used.

A LOT.

For the purpose that it was intended.

With few-to-no repercussions.

Bearing all of that in mind, to go further and say that Trade chat will be "useless" is .... I can't even summon appropriate words to describe how wrong that is.

@Zedoshi:

You're evolving your argument in attempt to make it valid. You're stretching what you said originally. In your first post you said outright, as I even quoted, "Everybody knows that the general population immediately turned off trade chat". Then why is everyone using trade chat? "The few people using trade chat will soon quit after it's 'new smell' wears off." The whole community, you mean?

Worse yet, you're still wrong. I wasn't just proving that /2 is used as trade chat, but that /1 isn't being used for trading. There is the rare person who does, and I do mean rare, posts a message in /1, but they're quickly corrected by others and start using /2 immediately.

Aside from that, the separation of the chat is perfectly clear. /1 is for casual talking, /2 is for barter. Neither is for both, and thus serve separate purposes, which they do just fine.

I showed you 3 screenshots, not just 2 [for the record], and I will find you more if you'd like. Better yet, I'll record the chat and show you.

As for you thinking I look pathetic, well that doesn't mean much to me coming from you. I'd have more respect for you if you'd admit your argument/big claim is a lost cause with no substance to it. You're trying to save face and grasping at straws more desperately with each post.

.. But you're still correct and humble, and I'm a big meanie head who only knows how to misunderstand and insult, right?

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Here's that video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tU0owW5_Ck
[In response to Have fun finding more than two screenshots of that. :l]

Watch in higher quality if you have to. Yes, it's a 3 minute video of just.. watching people sell things in /2.

As I risk stepping into the burning flame itself, I would, first of all, and before this thread gets any more fiery, like to request that GodTaz and Zedoshi step down for a moment or two. This debate, though logical on both ends, seems to be getting out of hands, with the subtle (and occasionally not-so-subtle) stabbing at each other. I am rather sure that it is within the power of both of you to stake your claim in the discussion without prodding the other for a response.

Now then, from what I've gleaned from this discussion, and from today's use of /2 in-game (admittedly I was only on for about three hours, but still, something is better than nothing), Trade Chat is useful. Most everyone who seems to be trading posts it up in /2, and the few that fail to either realize their mistake (like myself on one or two occasions) or are told to otherwise, leaving /1 to be used for either players to ask for assistance, advertise for running certain areas of the Clockworks (like the Jelly King), or just have a little chat-up, if they are just a little too far away from one another to communicate with regular chat.

However, it can be a tad redundant, as Zedoshi pointed out, Zone Chat is used very little, and even with all the above cases, I didn't see but maybe one instance of the above mentioned examples (I believe it was someone asking about a type of armor).

I cannot find any reason for a mass exodus from the Trade Chat, as I suspect players who want to trade will /join it, and those who are not on the market will /leave, which I also suspect was likely the intended purpose of having the channels system setup as so. As that "New Chat Smell" (I really like that comparison, by the way) wears off, I honestly doubt there will be much change in it's use.

Now, on the mention of an Auction House.... I have played in other games that implemented such systems. I will likely never truly enjoy such devices, as Spiral Knights seems to be one of the few games today that supports, and even encourages 1-to-1 trading and personal communication. It also allows those that merchant away all of their belongings to get a feel for the market at their own pace (I, for example, just learned yesterday that apparently Blue Shards are worth upwards of 150 crowns, as opposed to the 30c I payed when I first started). Such a network of communication has also earned me quite a few trading associates through kind customer service, something that is far from possible through an Auction House setting, both in the literal, spatial sense, and in the anonymous trading of commodities.

It doesn't seem like there's any way of competing with the people that spam trade chat every 30 seconds to 1 minute with their 'We sell everything at the LOWEST PRICES' chatter. Sure, I've tried to respond promptly to WTB requests (check inventory to make sure I have several, send tell with price) only to either get an 'already satisfied' or no response whatsoever.

I mean, I want to sell off some mats, but I'm not willing to put > 10-20 minutes on it a day because, well, I'm in the game to play, not to be a merchant. The problem is that it seems that trade chat is flooded by constant chatter, such that one or two WTS requests get lost in the crowd unless you're willing to just continue spamming for a few minutes straight. It just doesn't seem like an improvement over spamming in zone.

I think I'm still working out what the PROPER prices are, esp. for things like Heavy Gears and Soul Dust.

Plus, hard to compete when you don't know the proper going rate :P