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Bow&Arrow, Two-Handed Swords, Dual Wielding

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Wed, 02/08/2012 - 12:00
Serell's picture
Serell

They should have Bow and Arrows. Essentially the same as a gun, except with a different attacking animation, with you pulling back the bow and launching an arrow. I'd be happy if they just did that, but i also have other idea's for the bow and arrows if you want them to be different from guns :

1. You can mix and match different bows with different sets of arrows. So instead of having a bow that deals poison, shock or whatever, you have different sets of arrows that you equip to your bow. So you could have a bow that deals light damage but fires quickly with poison arrows equipped, or a bow that deals heavy damage but fires slowly with poison arrows equipped. This would allow for a lot of diversity.

2. If you get right behind an enemy with your bow and arrow charged, instead of shooting them you pull an arrow out of your pouch and stab them with it.

3. People with bow and arrows cannot equip shields. This would be there biggest downfall, but with being able to do the 2 things up top that guns can't do, i think this would be worth it.

Two-Handed swords. The same as a sword, but deals much more damage and are generally slower than other swords in attack speed. You cannot equip shields, but pressing the button you would normally to raise your shield raises your sword in a defensive manner. Blocking with two-handed swords will generally not be as effective as using a shield.

Dual wielding. The ability to equip a set of two daggers ( not swords ) in place of your shield. You can not mix and match different daggers. You may use a set of two poison daggers or a set of two shock daggers, but you cannot mix them to create a set of one poison dagger and one shock dagger. Daggers generally deal light damage but have very high attack speed. General Charge attacks perform a light spin attack, not knocking foes back to much. If you use a charged attack near a single enemy, you stab them for massive damage like the bow and arrow, except stronger than that. People with daggers can generally move a bit faster than other players. Pressing the button you normally press to raise your shield will instead raise your daggers in a defensive manner. Daggers are very weak when it comes to blocking, they are weaker than a two-handed sword in defense.

This are my sucky ideas that people have probaly posted already, but i thought i might as well.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 12:05
#1
Maeko's picture
Maeko
Yes, this a totally new

Yes, this a totally new concept no one has ever thought of before. I applaud you creativity that is superior to all others.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 12:48
#2
Melisan's picture
Melisan
/clap Maeko

/clap Maeko

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 13:10
#3
Orangeo's picture
Orangeo
This is not original at all. Use the searchbar.

Oh, you forgot pets.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 13:12
#4
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
Add in pets and LD balancing

Add in pets and LD balancing then a quick complaint about Fiends bein' too hard and this thread will cover the most overdone threads in the Suggestions board EVAR!

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 13:19
#5
Orangeo's picture
Orangeo
Nerf the greavers.

In my defense, I do not own a peircing sword. Therefore, I cannot kill them.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 13:34
#6
Dau-Cu-Pace
You want to make sk a stupid

You want to make sk a stupid copy of mmorpg like wow/l2/aion/etc?

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 14:26
#7
Severage's picture
Severage
Ooh wow!

Someone took our advice, and used the search bar! They found all the (dumbest) most popular suggestions to date and put them all in one thread!

Nice job, OP. I salute you sir.

~Sev

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 14:44
#8
Blue-Phaze's picture
Blue-Phaze
I quite like the idea of

I quite like the idea of mixing different bows and arrows, I love diversity in games.
-1 for the rest though, suggested a million times already.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 16:00
#9
Serell's picture
Serell
seriously?

Guys, these are just some things i thought would be cool, knew that someone probally already had posted before, but wanted to do it anyway. No reason to hate, @Serverage, @Dau-Cu-Pace, @Darkbrady, @Orangeo.
If you dont like the idea, please simply say you dont like it. No reason to hate. I am fairly new to spiral knights, so i would appreciate constructive criticizim.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 16:58
#10
Blue-Phaze's picture
Blue-Phaze
I guess I should explain why

I guess I should explain why they aren't nice at all, since you're new to the game.
1 - I like it, but other people think it wouldn't add much to the game because it would be too similar to guns (ranged attacks).
2 - We have sword for stabbing.
3 - You don't know this because you're new here, but shields become more and more vital to survival as levels get harder. Nothing can replace a shield in SK.
4 - We already have swords like Troika for that kind of 'heavy' swords, and the lack of a shield would mess it up.
5 - Daggers just sound awkward to me. We are knights, not ninjas.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 17:21
#11
Severage's picture
Severage
Alright Serell..

I'll have mercy on you since, like you said, you are fairly new to Spiral Knights. Forgive my former brashness, but I just see these threads a wee bit too often.

1) - Bow & Arrows would be ineffective compared to anything else; they'd have to be slower than guns, possibly more powerful (but not likely), and would basically just be a re-skin for a gun. Just a bit useless is all. If anything, a crossbow would be better. Furthermore, it'd be difficult to use a shield AND a bow and arrow.

2) - Shielding is ESSENTIAL. I wouldn't use a sword that had twice the damage of a LV10 Gran Faust if it replaced my shield (Unless we're talking about LD..of course). You might not know it now, but later in the game, having the proper shield is better than having the proper sword.

3) - Daggers having a Movement bonus and less damage is an interesting idea (Maybe stacked with Mercurial the movement would actually be noticeable), but having less defence and NO way to shield is just useless. I don't really care how fast you move, you can't move out of the way of an attack if you're in the middle of a combo, which may only be cancelled with a shield.

4) - Other than shielding being the best way to survive anything, shield-cancelling is also essential for heavy weapons. I dare anyone to use a DA in FSC without a shield, and using the full combo. It's extremely difficult. Most people don't even use the second attack on weapons like DA and GF in higher tiers, because it's better to use the first attack, cancel, repeat. You save a lot of health that way. Making an even slower weapon, AND getting rid of shields, is almost suicide.

5) - Finally, Daggers/Bow & Arrows sound more like "Rogue-Class" items to me; if you want a light-damaging, status-inflicting, long-combo weapon, use a Striker. If you want a Bow & Arrow...just use a gun.

~Sev

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 19:01
#12
Orangeo's picture
Orangeo
"No reason to hate,

"No reason to hate, [@orangeo]"
???
I posted three complete sentances >.>
I can understand your new, but that dosen't mean you shouldn't check to see if something hasn't already been thought of many, many, many, many times.
"knew that someone probally already had posted before, but wanted to do it anyway."
My point.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 00:05
#13
Diamondshreddie's picture
Diamondshreddie
an idea

for two handed swords, when you block, it would only defend from the front, and defense stats would be attack type and amount , but if u break ur sword you have to wait in order to attack

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 03:38
#14
Tsubasa-No-Me's picture
Tsubasa-No-Me
Aha!

A thread where i hope to balance the things most say is impossible is coming! ... its just horrendously long... -.-;

Just remember, its a sort of me, grabbing anything I want to, and trying to balance it, so if something comes up that you have thought of... Remember, others CAN come up with the same kinds of ideas...

But that's beside the point, I'm hoping to get feedback from not only enthusiasts, but from people who like balance... like Sev... ^-^

Hold on till then,
~Tsu

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 03:59
#15
Severage's picture
Severage
@Tsu:

lol, Kudos to you for trying to tackle such an idea. I'm not sure that it's impossible, but it's so...not Spiral Knights.

It'd be like..taking Chess and adding Guns so that they can attack each other from a distance. Not a lot of sense there.

But good luck nonetheless.

~Sev

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 04:09
#16
Melisan's picture
Melisan
Chess with guns would be cool

Chess with guns would be cool sev

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 04:24
#17
Severage's picture
Severage
@Melisan:

lol. I don't think Chess was invented in Italy. If it were, there would likely be guns of some sort. And it wouldn't be called Chess either. It'd be called...scacchi.

It would also be very unbalanced. The Queen would have an M60 and the King would have a Pistol. I mean..really?

~Sev

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 04:35
#18
Tsubasa-No-Me's picture
Tsubasa-No-Me
XD

...SK IS real time CHESS! ...WITH GUNS~! XD oh, man... but it'll be great Sev... and, aren't bombs and guns not knightly at all? O.o

~Tsu

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 06:36
#19
Dau-Cu-Pace
I don`t hate ffs. I was just

I don`t hate ffs. I was just saying you had that ideas from other mmorpg. And every game needs it own original features, not copied from other games.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 08:01
#20
Serell's picture
Serell
Sorry

Ok. You guys are right. I should check if anyone else has posted something similiar to what i want to post. I am sorry. I now realize that shields are essential, and that two-handed swords and daggers are a bad idea. But i would still like to see bow&arrows. Even if its just a re-skin for a gun and nothing else, i think it would be cool. I dont know, for some reason, i just want a bow&arrow with a neat little animation of me pulling back the bow and launching an arrow.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 10:04
#21
Tsubasa-No-Me's picture
Tsubasa-No-Me
Rargh!

Its almost doneeeee! Wait a moment! You shall see these bows...

Here! http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/43109

~Tsu

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 09:55
#22
Diamondshreddie's picture
Diamondshreddie
BUT... BUT..

BUT BOMBS AND GUNS are SPIRAL knightly .... ':D? right?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:06
#23
Orangeo's picture
Orangeo
BUT... BUT... TSU ALREADY

BUT... BUT... TSU ALREADY SAID THAT? Right?
Right? Indeed random capital copy paster! And I quote Tsuba;
"and, aren't bombs and guns not knightly at all?"
You bring no new information at all, read before you write.

"Remember, others CAN come up with the same kinds of ideas..."
Well of course, but they should check still. If I was a shut in and never touched a history book, then invented the lightbulb without knowing of thomas edison, would I get credit? No, I wouldn't. No patent whatsoever. I'm not saying all the ideas here are terrible or anything, I'm just saying they have already been thrown out there, and Serell agrees with me to boot.

Also, to be technical, knights did have weapons that used gunpowder. Not that the spiral knights guns/bombs use gunpowder...
I'd like a crossbow gun. As in a crosbow shaped like a gun, not a gun that launches crossbows. Prehaps it could pass through multiple enemies?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:54
#24
Serell's picture
Serell
why not have bows that shoot

why not have bows that shoot tech-like arrows? why must it be bullets and lasers? i think bows/crossbows that shoot explosive arrows would be cool.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 19:47
#25
Tsubasa-No-Me's picture
Tsubasa-No-Me
-.-

Orange? Has u seenz mah thred?!?! ...hehe, but seriously... the crossbow that I made seems to fit your specifications well...

~Tsu

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 23:22
#26
Fuzzyblackangel's picture
Fuzzyblackangel
Brava, brava

Really? Is this Native American times? PING! I shot a monster! Basically what you're saying is using bow and arrow in World War II. I know that there weren't any monsters in that war, but isn't an appropriate comparison? Don't use bow and arrow against the Nazis (I'll continue my history lesson) You'll die.

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 00:15
#27
Robodoom's picture
Robodoom
Bow and arrow just as a gun

Well the bow and arrow is a nice Idea but I think would be better if it were just a handgun instead of making new type of weapon(Because that would be too long).And just another copy of a handgun

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 00:15
#28
Robodoom's picture
Robodoom
Bow and arrow just as a gun

Well the bow and arrow is a nice Idea but I think would be better if it were just a handgun instead of making new type of weapon(Because that would be too long).And just another copy of a handgun

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