I am not 100% sure but I've been told by a couple people plus third party observations that:

fuse time: nitronome < angry bomb < irontech
knock back: nitronome < irontech < angry bomb
damage: nirotonome < irontech < angry bomb *fixed thanks to deckard*
walk speed: angry bomb < irontech < nitronome
bomb radius: angry bomb/irontech < nitronome

Seeing BAB and Irontech in action really turned me off on making them, even for testing. I do have the 4* irontech recipe and I'm waiting on 5* but I'm not sure I'll go through with BAB. The damage is higher but the DPS is lower and the set-up is harder to do because of the fuse. At d26 or d26 Nitro does 200 dmg while the BAB was doing ~250.

Keep in mind I've never used BAB or Irontech but I don't think having higher knockback isn't really as beneficial as it may seem. With a faster fuse on the nitronome and small knockback you can essentially keep hitting the same targets over and over every time since they'll make it back to the larger radius before the 2nd explosion goes off.

tldr: nitronome is the best of the 3

Hi guys. I'm trying to decide whether to get either a mad bomber suit or a nitro bomb. Which one should i get 1st? Would getting nitro bomb earlier enable me to solo in t2?

I already have mad bomber helm, heavy demo suit, fausts x 3! Silversix, shivermist, ash, graviton bomb and master blaster.

Note: All the items are none uv.

Thanks a lot.

@pngmm: You should be able to solo T2 with what you have now. I used to solo T2 all the time when leveling Fused Demo Suits/Master Blast Bombs. Anyway, I would go for nitronome before mad bomber suit if I had to choose between the two but Mad Bomber Suit will max out your CTR and give you an additional +2 to dmg w/ bombs so going that choice would be beneficial as well. No clue what dmg the master blast bomb does in T2 but the nitronome gets scaled down anyway so the damages would probably be similar and you'd get faster CTR but less radius.

I have 3 haze bombs with construct, undead, and fiend to turn into the fire, ice and poison lines. Any recommendations for which should be which?

Fiend - Ice

Freezing greavers is a great way to avoid getting killed in about 2 seconds on tier 3 fiend levels.

Ionized salt/Rock salt bomb causes shock on hit and will result in a 'knockdown', good to use on fiend and wolvers.

Yo team bomber!

Quick question.

For an ionized salf bomb and a nitronome which are the best uvs? im using a mad bomber hat atm.

I was thinking for ionized get a uv vs gremlin/beast and for nitro prob ctr? i have ash and the 4* freeze with ctr already

Cheers

i tried ionized, 4* right? if you're in team maybe its helpful, but the hit chance is limited even at close range. solo definitely not in t3, doesn't knock back, doesn't hit hard, you might be able to hold back a 2~3 shocked mobs, but the other 5 would hunt you down in no time, as your run speed is reduced. i'm sure its for pvp.

Ionizied Salt - Beast/Fiend, it'll maximizes the damage on these mobs that dodge and since piercing is good on them. Gremlin are already, but no knockdown for t3 ones, better off using something else when encountering t3 gremlins.

Nitronome, apparently does great on undead/construct, basically slow mob.

CTR is better than any damage bonus

Apparently, my comments are kind of contradicting the others..

My collection:
5* Ash of Agni CTR Med, Shivermist Buster CTR Med, Venom Veiler CTR Med
4* Fiery Atomizer CTR Low (was crafting for a friend :P), Freezing Atomizer^ Undead VH, Graviton Bomb^, Heavy Deconstructor High Const, Master Blast Bomb CTR Low
3* Deconstructor^ Gremlin High, Sun Shards^
2* Blast Bomb^ Undead High, 5 Crystal Bombs (various low uvs)
1* Cold Snap, Firecracker, Static Flash, 8 Haze Bombs (various low-med uvs)

^ Upgrade after I get the damage table.

I'm still missing all the 5* Blast Bombs and the Ionized Salt line though I have the recipes. I want to get useful UVs before spending that much CE on the bombs.

Here is my current aresenal:
Ash of Agni - DMG vs Construct VHIGH
Shivermist - CTR LOW
Venom Veiler - DMG vs Construct High
Graviton Bomb @ Lvl 10 w/ Graviton Vortex recipe learned (waiting for reblance since I'd never use it)
Graviton Bomb - CTR LOW (probably not going to keep)
Nitronome - DMG vs Undead VHIGH
Nitronome - DMG vs Slime MED
Nitronome - DMG vs Beast MED
Nitronome - CTR LOW
Blast Bomb - DMG vs Gremlin HIGH
Crystal Bomb - Undead MED (waiting for a better UV)
Spine Cone yay lol

I have all the sun shard recipes but I'm waiting on a good UV. From what I've seen from the spine cone, it looks like nitro w/ beast might be obsolete :<

>How does the new token bomb fare anyway? What is it like?

It looks like nitro w/ pierce damage and no push. Need to find recipes to know for sure though.

edit: it looks like it knocks wolvers to the floor but it doesn't have any knockback like the n itro

I am up to 4* now with the spine cone. I'm not sure how I feel about it yet. The knockdown in T1 was great with no push but in T3 apparently it no longer has any knockdown so it's just a pure damage bomb with no knockback or knockdown. This makes its use a bit dangerous as you can't really time it to cancel devilite attacks and since there is no push or knockdown they continue to just attack you. The bomb works very well when you combo with another bomb like shivermist since you can keep pounding the same target over and over. I had a friend put down shiv and I was dropping down the 4* spine cone and we took out a group of 8 greavers which was pretty cool. Hopefully the 5* one is a bit better.

BTW the blast animation gets a lot more annoying as you upgrade. 3* is green and 4* is red. Not quite as bad as the blast bomb series but it gets more obnoxious for sure.

Alright I'm up to 5* now. The bomb explosion looks AWESOME. The radius is great (same as nitronome). But.......

no knockdown? At least it doesn't seem like it does any at T3. The fuse is slow.. you can get 3 swings of calibur off before it blows up. I can live with the lack of knockback/knockdown but the fuse is kind of killer. It would be kind of cool to get a slight chance of stun like the rigadoon to make up for no knockback. I was doing 161 dmg at D19 w/ +med dmg w/ my level 1 bomb versus devilites.

I'm sure it has some use (i.e. set two up then use your sword to soften enemies for the bomb) but it seems like kind of a misstep in design for me. They need to cut it out with slow fuse bombs already. Bomb DPS is already awful enough as it is.

edit: looks like 5* can knock down menders. need to test on regular gremlins. for some reason it does grey dmg though and way lower than nitro so kind of pointless in that regard.

hmm...sounds like I won't like that bomb after all, still, I'm happy to have a new option regardless.

Eh.. nitronome wrecks wolvers in T3; they just keep warping into the blast. I don't think that's a problem at all. I don't use a gun so having a nitronome set up the chain with 1 slot is better than needing an assist from a gun to make the spine cone useful. For fiends and greavers you can push them out of their deadly range if you set up a nitronome chain. Again, the spine cone is not great in this instance because of the lack of knockdown and long fuse. No knockdown means you're open for attack even after the bomb explodes. The long fuse makes it hard to time attack cancel since you're left at the mercy of the fuse. Most of the more deadly devilite rooms are small and the nitronome can knock them around but shiv+levi is probably a better combo for them. I think the knockdown/cancel timing is a huge disadvantage for devilites; it isn't like the nitronome where every explosion gives you a second to recover.

Trojans are easy to deal with w/ the nitronome as well since you can put one in front, spin around back and have it hit him. The 4* bomb was actually perfect for this but the 5* might be too slow which will leave you vulnerable as you spin around and wait for the bomb to go off. Instead of having the trojan constantly spin, he is likely to do one of his sword attacks which could push you into spikes or other hazards.

Maybe the bomb just doesn't fit my play style. I can somewhat see the set-up potential of it if you're going to drop it and switch to a sword for extra damage but it seems like too much risk for very little reward when used like that. For just pure bombing, it leaves you too vulnerable and will most likely require more shield usage than most bombers are used to. The things that it seems best at is sniping silk wings and killing wolvers (not alpha wolvers mind you) which are both very trivial mobs to kill with other bombs. Speaking of alpha wolvers, it isn't very good since it doesn't cancel their attack and they can continue their 3shot bite combo without hesitation or disruption.

BTW it does knock down regular wolvers on T3, not that it really matters.

@ eek5 Oh I know, but devilites can't be knocked down anyway, though they can be knocked back. The only reason i grudgingly approve of the lack of knockback is that both grievers and wolver alphas are notorious for slipping past your bomb and getting knocked toward you instead.

I guess what I'm really trying to say is that, as a bomb used strictly for piercing damage against those weak to it, it works. And now all we need is decent Shadow and Elemental damage dealing bombs, and we can be as damage versatile as swordies :P

Not that i think I'll ever get pulled away from Nitronome/Shivermist anytime soon.

Oh not for regular fights, just the massive melees in arenas. Or when they're already clustered in with the other wolvers I want to kill. Or when my timing's a little off.

And yeah, that's exactly what I meant :P

For arenas with alpha wolvers keep kiting like you would a regular haze bomb. Their 3 hit combo usually straight lines so the explosions will throw them off your path the majority of the time. Because they can close ground so fast you rarely want to approach them like you would other enemies (i.e. doing the tango by kiting then walking towards to drop the bomb and kiting again)

Regarding the spinecone: I think I would be fine with the bomb if either the fuse was faster or we got something to compensate for the long fuse (knockback, knockdown, stun, or anything). As is though, it doesn't really fit my playing style and I usually regret not having a different bomb when I have it in my loadout. I'm curious to see what other bombers think of it though.

and FWIW I was really enjoying the 4* version

@eek5 I think you're right, that's been the problem I've been having with the alphas. In arenas where the turrets and alphas show up one after the other, I tend to aim for the turrets first, which has me going in those straight lines around the edge. That and staggered lines, where one alpha will charge, then another, and another (same with grievers). And in the 'smaller' arenas in the wild paths, I hit the healers first, which means I'm not paying attention to the alpha except by peripheral location. My usual approach was to kill off the stragglers, then taking on the Alpha, provoking it, then setting the bomb at the end of it's charge. Dum-dee-dum, mental adjustments... I'll look at it again, thanks.

It's not really a major problem, though, more of a continued annoyance, but I could see how it could be moreso to a beginner. The main aspect I'm trying to sell here is a lower 'unpredictability' than a Blast Bomb.

@Fallout the only real reason to chase the 5* bomb at the moment is to see the nifty graphic change. Looks like the spirit of the Snarbolax decided to make an appearance.

I've got Spike Shower and wow its amazing... Catch the Beasts and fiends in them and boom! they goo except no pushback but that doesn't bother me.. I currently carry Poison Nitro Vortex and Spike Shower....

And the range is horrible. Does it get better as it is upgraded? Also, should i invest in a weapon slot upgrade so that i can carry two bombs and a sword, since having just two bombs will leave me kind of defenseless? If I'm surrounded by enemies and I only have bombs I'll never get out and I will die.