Spiral Knights - Voltedge VS Leviathan Vanaduke

Voltedge VS Leviathan Vanaduke

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Thu, 02/16/2012 - 07:37

Strudul

Ok, well I was bored with my blitz so I was using my voltedge and leviathan on phase 1 vanaduke.

According to the wiki, the levi and volty should do the SAME dmg on the first 2 hits but then the volty should do more than the levi on the 3rd hit.

What I found was the volty did more dmg on every hit.

The damage was (with poison applied and max dmg (snarby shield + 2x sword dmg trinks):
Levi:301,301,369
Volty:344,344,463

I am too lazy to go and test stuff...

The wiki says he is only weak to piercing on 1,3,5, so why is the volty doing more dmg?

*I would also like to add that I know these are not the best swords for phase 1,3,5. This is purely theoretical.*

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 07:45

Juances

Check damage tables. On neutral targets, both weapons should have same damage, but the rbandish has a better 3rd hit.
It may have somethign to do with your damage bonuses you may have and Vana's weird defenses.

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Voltedge
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Leviathan_Blade

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 08:34

Fradow

As a side-note, knowing that

As a side-note, knowing that on both those weapons, you use generally more the charge attack than normal shots (especially for Leviathan, which I suspect have a higher dps with the charge if you can reliably land the 3 hits of it), I would be more inclined to compare charges than normal shots.

If you have the weapons, I suggest you test that yourself and report the result. The wiki is, unfortunately, not always 100% reliable.

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 08:39

Strudul

Well the levi does 501x3 with

Well the levi does 501x3 with max sword dmg (and no poison)

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 08:53

Strudul

@Fradow Well with VH ASI and

@Fradow

Well with VH ASI and Ultra CTR and poisoned target....

You can do two levi 3 hit combos (6 atks in total) in the time it takes you to do 1 charge atk.

2 levi 3 hit combos = (301 + 301 + 369)* 2 = 1942
So the levi would have to do 648 * 3 on the charge attack to beat it (and I don't think it does)

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 12:56

Strudul

Ok, more results... This time

Ok, more results...

This time with max dmg again (snarby shield + 2x sword dmg trinks) but NO POISON
Levi:274,274,343
Volty:266,266,399

wiki says first 2 hits of levi and volty shud be same.
WITHOUT posion volty is lower than levi. (although the total damage of volty (931) is greater than that of levi (891))
WITH poison volty is higher than levi.

This would imply that posion scales better on mixed damage weapons?

So I guess for phase 1,3,5, volty > levi with and witohut posion.

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 14:10

Nordlead

well, the Wiki is refering to

well, the Wiki is refering to monsters besides Vanaduke. Vana isn't any monster type (even though he is under the undead category on the Wiki, he isn't undead). It is possible that mix damage doesn't work exactly like we think, and Vana's defense isn't straight forward.

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 14:27

Poopsie

giving an illustration...

Volt Edge has mix damage which is 1/2 normal and 1/2 elemental. Leviathan has pure damage which is full normal.
From the damage bar calculation (increasing exponentially), we (wiki) believed that volt edge damage = leviathan damage, ignoring monsters resistance. By default, Vanaduke is a bit resistant on every damage except normal (no resist) and piercing (a bit weaker).
A poison would reduce every defense (by a certain number). An already strong leviathan would have less benefit from poison status. But Volt Edge has 2-semi weak damage type would make up a lot more (well a little bit honestly) with poison status.
Hope that explains. ;x

And uh... definitely, 3-hit per charge leviathan >>> Volt Edge in term of 1 vs 1 that can't be knockbacked.
You forgot the fact that you always use first swing to charge back. So based on your experience it must be...
leviathan 2 full combo vs 1 charge attack + 1 first swing. However, I deem that charge is always faster than 2 full combo.

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 14:41

Strudul

@poopsie

I thought duke was slightly weak to piercing ONLY 1,3,5 and strong against EVERYTHING 2,4

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 15:34

Poopsie

eh well

point taken, I may not be that accurate >_>

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 16:37

#10

Culture

Hmm

The poison effect and damage bonus would both affect a pure damage weapon differently than a split damage weapon. It doesn't make any sense, I know, but the calculation isn't just multiplicative.

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