Spiral Knights - Fang of Vog

Fang of Vog

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Fri, 02/17/2012 - 21:18

Wodanct

If you can't handle reading walls of text then leave now. >.>

I am sure others have suggested this but I would like to suggest that the chance to receive fire if you use the charge to be removed. Looking at how overpowered the Brandish series is now and how limited Fang of Vog really is I believe this would be best for the sword.

Things to consider:

1. Brandish/Levi swings faster then Fang of Vog.

2. Brandishes at lv 10 compared to a lv 10 Fang of Vog do more normal swing damage. With MAX damage I believe the Brandish is 20-30 more damage per hit then Fang of Vog. (Not comparing the 3rd strike of each sword)

3. The Fang of Vog charge attack has a nasty habit of throwing enemies around that aren't shivered or shocked. Except big enemies are subjected to the Fang of Vog's full fury. This throwing enemies around limits the damage Fang of Vog truely does while Brandish type weapon charges can destroy groups of enemies with ease.

4. Fang of Vog cost 40 Almirian Seals while Levi/Brandish weapons can just be crafted. Its a little disappointing having a weapon you have to farm Vanaduke for and learn it has such a nasty drawback. (Well when you are new Vanaduke is hard >.>)

I'm sure there are more reasons, but this is all I could think of in time I was writing this post.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 21:47

Iron-Volvametal

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1. It can Set Enemies on Fire on Every Hit, Whereas you need to Charge your Combuster.

2. Its Charge Attack can do MASSIVE Damage if you're next to the Enemy/Enemies the Whole 3 times Strike.

3. Leviathan Blade doesn't have any Special Damage(Shadow, Elemental, Piercing) so it usually Over-Shadowed by other Weapons.

4. The Fang of Vog can easily Clear a Mob of Enemies if you're in the Middle of them.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 22:03

Nubskills

hmm....

I'll try and take on an unbiased view, although this is all just based my opinion.
1. The extra DPS from the fire seems quite helpful lol
2. It's charge can be awfully suicidal without fire resist or rems...
3. Yeah, agreed about the special damage part, and FoV can be used as a combuster substitute. Although judging by the loot from fsc, as long as ce isnt wasted on revives tokens should be fine lol
4. Do you mean the knockback of its charge attack? Wouldn't levi and shield bumps do the same?

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 22:11

Aylnine

I think the damage and attack

I think the damage and attack on the Fang of Vog is fine. The only thing I would like to be fixed is the speed -- the speed bar for the FoV is exactly the same as the brandish/calibur lines, but it swings MUCH slower. It only swings as fast as a non-buffed brandish if it has an ASI maximum buff on it, which is pretty terrible for a 3 swing sword. I usually rely on my 3 swings to be just fast enough to interrupt enemy attacks, and the FoV fails to deliver, plus I hate using the charge attack because of it's status effect. Changing either the speed to be in line with the speed bar or the speed bar to be in line with the speed is fine with me, as long as it's consistent.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 22:16

Severage

@OP:

Honestly when you think about it FoV is a whole lot cheaper than crafting a Combuster..even though you can't get a UV by buying it with tokens; it is a potentially "free" 5* weapon, which could be why it's not exactly preferable when compared to other 5* weapons.

One thing I've learned (Even though I don't know why): NEVER trust the bars. I swear every item's bar is relevant to that piece of gear. There's like...no universal connection between them all. The only thing they tell you is what kind of damage it does, and if it's slow or fast. You don't know how slow..or how fast.. >.>;

But I wouldn't mind the FoV's Speed being increased a tad.

~Sev

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 22:35

Baodur

@All y'all

Sev is right about the free 5* weapon thing. Although Sev, you can check Wiki for actual damage, but I get what you mean about the bars themselves.
I do like the idea of increased attack speed, seems to slow for a "Striker" looking weapon. However, if you are wearing Vog with FoV then you will probably not need it.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 23:34

Wodanct

@IronskullkidCounter-Argueme

@Ironskullkid

Counter-Arguements to each number you gave.

1. It only has a SMALL chance of setting enemies on fire.

2. Maybe you need to play in a tier that you won't one hit your targets or play in parties bigger than 1 player, 2 if doing the last half of tier 3.

3. My claim was about how levi is faster, NOT stronger. Which anyone that plays this game knows Levi is over-shadowed because its lack of a 2nd damage type to increase its damage.

4. The 5 star Brandish can easily clear a group of enemies especially since in FSC its does roughly 2,000 damage (to a single target) with MAX damage if the full charge connects.

I've played the game since steam release.. provide me with a better counter-arguement.

@Nubskills

1. The extra dps you are talking about is from a low chance of causing fire and even at that its only a small 250-300 extra damage. Assuming you don't smash your target before the 3rd tick even happens like most of us can.

2. Its charge is suicidal without fire resistance or rems because its fire itself is even stronger than the fires caused by enemies in FSC.

3. After the brandish buff FoV is a poor combuster sub.

4. Please read the whole post. The knockback of the charge usually causes enemies to be thrown away before all 3 strikes hit, lowering the charge damage FoV does. Doing FSC speedruns withs 2/3 players I would never suggest using FoV over Combuster or any other brandish. DA would be a better choice also. When it comes to FSC, the only thing FoV is good for is Trojans, Slag Guards, and Vanaduke.

@Severage
Running the FSC it takes to make 40 tokens I can easily make combusters.

@Aylnine
No the damage is not ok. The speed is not ok. If they are going to remain weaker than weapons that are much easier to make. Then remove the fire debuff the charge gives.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 23:40

Iron-Volvametal

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"I've played the game since steam release.. provide me with a better counter-arguement."

I've been playing BEFORE Steam Release. I Win.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 23:52

Fehzor

Better idea: Buff FoV's

Better idea: Buff FoV's damage slightly on normal hits, and greatly on charge hits. That'd keep the nature of the sword, but make it better.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 02:35

Nicoya-Kitty

I'm perfectly happy with the

I'm perfectly happy with the FoV as it is right now. I don't see any reason to change it.

It's a fun sword, not a bread and butter daily grinder. Is that so wrong?

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 02:54

#10

Metagenic

Better yet

Make it stop igniting the user in the charge. I don't care if it'd become overpowered, a boss token weapon should be better than a craftable item.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 03:11

#11

Nubskills

@Wodanct
"When it comes to FSC, the only thing FoV is good for is Trojans, Slag Guards, and Vanaduke."
Trojans can be set on fire, so I'd agree with that if you have fire resist/rems. Slag Guards? A friend of mine sets them on fire using this Combuster charge, and DA sword projectiles can pass through their shield. Vana? Yup, for the first , second and fourth phases, but still outshadowed by other vana weapons.

@Ironskullkid
LOL

@Nicoya-Kitty
I guess players want more utility out of the sword, and for use in the harder parts of the Clockworks too. Although I get what you mean, it's a nice derping weapon for ATH lol

@Metagenic
Agree, it still keeps the other debuffs, and other boss token rewards are usually better than the normal ones.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 08:22

#12

Severage

@Wodanct:

"Running the FSC it takes to make 40 tokens I can easily make combusters."

You might be able to, but not everyone can or wants to. F2P players would probably much rather get FoV just by beating Vanaduke rather than spending 1600 CE on a Combuster.

~Sev

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 12:50

#13

Nicoya-Kitty

@Severage Amusingly enough,

@Severage Amusingly enough, running FSC enough times to get an FoV will earn you more than enough crowns to buy the CE to craft a combuster.

The thing is, by the time you're grinding FSC enough to earn an FoV, you probably already have a very nice elemental sword that works just fine for all the things you'll be using an elemental sword for. And there's no inherent reason that a boss token item needs to outclass regular equipment; for example, the DA and GF have a lower max DPS than the comparable brandish line swords, the BTB is basically identical to the Final Flourish save for the charge attack, and so on. Even the shadow lair armors are generally in line with the regularly craftable lines.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 13:33

#14

Severage

@Nicoya-Kitty:

"Amusingly enough, running FSC enough times to get an FoV will earn you more than enough crowns to buy the CE to craft a combuster."

I'm not sure if you were trying to say that you might as well get a Combuster at that point..but if you are, then if you DON'T get a Combuster, and instead get a FoV, you're saving 1600 CE.

Not sure how that was supposed to be an argument, if it was.

But to be completely honest, I see no reason to actually get the FoV sword. Even among Vana's boss token rewards, the shield is more useful. And if you had spare seals, then maybe you'd get a FoV..but like you said, you probably already have a good enough Elemental sword for all practical purposes. The only reason I'd get a FoV is simply to have fun playing with a new weapon. lol

~Sev

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 16:22

#15

Tsubasa-No-Me

Heheheh....

My line of swords went as such...

Troika->Kamarin->Khorovod->Sudaruska
__________________________________->DA (Dropped for hatred of it.)
___________________________________________->FoV

And I love it. Yeah, its a tad slower... but not by much, and having Fallen+Swifty lets me get ASI ultra on it and a gun... That and the fire resist makes the damage from the charge piddly. And being able ti light one foe on fire, and then ditch it while pursuing another lets the fire act as... pent up damage. and it takes ~10 or FAR less to light them, in my experience.

So, as to boosting them? Naw, they don't need it, fire and a crazy charge is more then enough to have the slower speed and self fire on charge. And FoV is great, as long as you know how to use it, like most weapons.

~Tsu

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 16:33

#16

Psychodestroyer

Yeah

IMO, the FoV is more of a Trophy sword than something that you can actually use. I think it's fine as it is.

Not to say it isn't a good weapon.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 18:33

#17

Severage

@Tsu:

Ugh, Suda. I can't stand that weapon lol.

The only reason I'd use FoV is for its charge attack...which does a lot of damage. I definitely wouldn't use it as a primary weapon; but like Psycho said, it *is* more of a trophy sword.

And you always have those haughty types that like to have full inspect on with 4 LV 10 FoVs equipped just to show off (Yes, I've seen it before).

~Sev

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 19:01

#18

Psychodestroyer

Yeah, I heard it's charge attack outdamages the Levi.

I'm sad :(

But whatever, I think the FoV's ok as it is.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 21:40

#19

Severage

@Psychodestroyer:

Its charge attack is actually pretty BA if you use it right. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it does an initial damage of 60 (or 600, the number was obstructed) damage, with two following 8xx hits.

Those damages are based on when the FoV charge is used on a Slag Guardian, it kills them pretty fast.

But yeah, I wouldn't use it for its regular attack..I'm pretty sure DA beats it in that category.

PS: Not a fan of Levi.

~Sev

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