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Something that's just been bothering me...

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Sat, 02/18/2012 - 07:18
Verodius's picture
Verodius

So Trojans are apparently the twisted spirits of those who got lost within the Clockworks, and they are Fiends. Yet Lord Vanaduke, who has almost the same origin, is apparently considered Undead? Maybe I'm just missing something but I've looked through the backstory on the wiki and I can't see any mention of Vanaduke dieing before Almire became the Firestorm Citadel.

(although Vana is weak(ish) to piercing, so maybe he is a fiend and we've all been mistaken)

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 08:22
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Juances's picture
Juances
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Knights simply got corrupted. Fiends are evil things but they have 'life' (look at devilites, greavers).
We assume Vanduke actaully died and resurrected, zombie style, wich means he's technically an undead.

Another excuse is that Vanduke was not a spiral knight so whathever turns us into trojans works in a different way on him.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 11:22
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Guyinshinyarmour
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Pretty sure Vanaduke is without a family, since he's now an avatar of fire and all. Boss of the FIRE stratum. Also, he didn't die in the strictest sense of the word; he was taken over by some dark power and reborn.

And besides, weaknesses are all or nothing. One thing I've been meaning to ask, couldn't this just be a bug in the same form as GF hitting blue numbers on the old JK? At any rate, it's a UI issue and we're just doing normal damage across all types is what I think; people just use Blitz because it has incredible burst damage against a single, large, slow target, not because it's pierce.

Besides, BTB and Needle normal shots still hit blue, and they're both pure piercing.

Though I could be wrong, I guess.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 12:24
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Juances
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Buged colors aside, we know he IS somewhat weak to piercing because he receives more damage than neutral monsters, like the zombies surrounding him.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 12:35
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Dukeplatypus
The zombies around him are

The zombies around him are already weaker than the ones found in the rest of FSC. If you want examples of bugged numbers just wander the clockworks with an AP or Sentenza. Admittedly I'm not too familiar with the lore, but programming-wise Vana does not have a family and neither fiend nor undead bonuses affect him.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 23:03
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Buckdida's picture
Buckdida
Weak to piercing, strong

Weak to piercing, strong against elemental. Hmm.

Perhaps he's more a beast than a man now, with how he acts and looks.

Just a theory. Needs testing.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 23:38
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Gospel
HE IS A CONSTRUCT!!!!

lol, not really, but if you base things from his actions, he swings his mace with the fury of a Lumber.

but anyway, its the very same brandishing of a weapon as a Trojan. Add the fact that he has a lunge/charge attack, and that he will only act when he sees the player with his aggression (or his sight). Then there's that piercing mini-weakness....

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 23:54
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Demonicsothe
Dunno, that makes him seem

Dunno, that makes him seem more like a trojan with the dash to slam, and normal brandish slam.

At least, I've always seen him as a bigger trojan.

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