Polaris: Please Nerf This
Thu, 02/23/2012 - 12:44
#52
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"I wouldn't assume he'd be banned and usually player bannings shouldn't be discussed because it's a sensitive topic that usually leads to drama."
Well, he DID get Banned one time.
But I'll let it go.
And, yeah, every Weapon needs to get Balanced. I want my Irontech Bomb to be an Actual Bomb & not a Trophy. Same goes for my Grintovec & Catalyzer.
Thu, 02/23/2012 - 12:49
#53
Yep.
I think I will talk more
Yep.
I think I will talk more about this later but I am not bothered with guns being the weaker, less damaging class. I think that was the intended setup; you could see swordsmen as being like the warriors and tanks, the gunners as being the range, and the bombers as being the crowd-control or AoE and especially the big-time status affects. This is the broad setup, of course, and there's certain weapons that do have a little something different to offer, but as three broad classes I think that what they each have pros and cons and they really work well together in teamwork.
I know balancing is sort of that elephant in the room no one wants to talk about because it usually means changing someone's favorite weapon, but I do think that they should set a standard and try to work towards that instead of raising the bar with more powerful weapons. I do hope as the game progresses they find that formula that works just right.
Thu, 02/23/2012 - 13:47
#54
Two times to be exact
Two times to be exact
Thu, 02/23/2012 - 16:11
#55
Yeah I've had a few qualms
Yeah I've had a few qualms with the Polaris myself. It completely outclasses its related alchemer, the Storm Driver. To use the Storm Driver, I'm pretty much giving up knockback, bullet damage, area damage, range, and clip size just to have a faster bullet. One gun is obviously better than the other (hint: it's the Polaris).
I think the Polaris should be nerfed in just its damage. It does way too much compared to other guns. They should also increase the damage and range of the alchemers so the guns would be more balanced. Then, using the Storm Driver would only mean giving up knockback, area damage, and clip size for a stronger and faster gun.
Also, if there are too many Polaris spammers, my game starts to lag quite a bit. I definitely agree with the graphics getting nerfed. I don't understand why anybody would complain about that.
Or, y'know, make the low graphics setting actually do something in the game, but that's slightly off-topic.
Thu, 02/23/2012 - 16:14
#56
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Nerf it... how? Just graphics? Explosion reduction? damage reduction?
Thu, 02/23/2012 - 16:40
#57
@Unstream:
I agree with Unstream, for a status-dealing AoE gun, it has far too much damage.
It currently out-DPS' ALL alchemers *except* the ones that don't deal status effects (Umbra and Nova Drivers), while it deals Status, knockback, and even AoE with almost equal damage, with the only negative being slower bullets.
Polaris shouldn't be both the most powerful and most useful utility weapon, it should have to give up one for the other, just like everything else. At least then people would use those poor Alchemers again. I haven't seen a Volt Driver since this gun came out...except once in LD by a gunner.
Also, I'm still in agreement that both it and the Nitronome need their graphical FX reduced, or at least made more translucent.
~Sev
Sat, 02/25/2012 - 20:06
#58
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I wanted to get a Supernova since I started looking for a good all rounder gun. But everyone around me is like: 'nuuuuuuuuu Polaris PWNS teh Supanofa!'
I'd be nice if the Supernova had SOMETHING better than the Polaris other than overall Knockback, as far as I hear. They say it even makes up for it's weakness against elemental resisting monsters enough to warrant not getting a Supernova.
So I support this, although have nothing to add to it.
And Asukalanforum, really, stop with your conspiracy theories, and the 'Omg i is so peeved at all teh 'OMG PLZ OO NERF DIS NAO IT KEELING MEH' did it cross your mind dat you mayb suk and cant do stuff right and shuld pwabably find something worthwile to qq on? Umad dat I kno moar den u?'
Really, I tried to be polite earlier with the 'Conspiracy theorist much? >.>' and 'Asuka, you need to chill and stop raging' posts in previous threads, but really, this is too much.
Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:52
#59
@Severage
I love the alchemers. Beautiful versatile weapons they are. But you can't hit anything when your target is covered in electro-spam.
Used my Firo Driver when I was in t3 once back when I didn't know how to get back into t1. I was wearing just 3 star armour, and I got cornered by two vogs on their home capture point with shadow fire at my back. They made the mistake of trying to shoot me down with Sentenzas. It was funny, watching two swordies trying to outgun a gunner. I wasn't laughing, I was fearing for my life that i was up against two shadow lair veterans and i was not even tier 3. Killed them both with a firo tho. It was then I realised that the Alchemers' Richochet is an amazing AoE damage style.
Just my story of being a gunner. A flukey one i guess.
Fri, 02/24/2012 - 21:59
#60
/agree ^
Oops posted too late. But i love alchemers too :3
Sat, 02/25/2012 - 04:42
#61
@Partial necro:
Well, alchemers, as useful as the rebound is, is mostly random. I haven't taken the time in all honesty to see if it is completely random or not, but it seems to be most of the time.
The difference between Alchemers and Polaris is that Polaris' are guaranteed to do AoE damage...while you can get lucky and do lots of damage with an Alchemer. Not sure what the rebound calculation is for damage, though...but I'm pretty sure you're most likely going to do more damage (even AoE) with a Polaris..even with all its other effects.
~Sev
Sat, 02/25/2012 - 18:25
#62
It was in that hallway
It was in that hallway between the First Capture Point and the Shadow Fire Dead end. There's two walls either side and the Firo Driver's Richochet can bounce multiple times, havoc in enclosed areas. Rebound bullets deal the same damage as the direct ones.
Sat, 02/25/2012 - 14:47
#63
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The gun can be annoying because of the blinding visuals, the rest of your complaints really make no sense when comparing it to other weapons. Alot of them can be spammed just as much, knockback the enemies safely and cause status effects. I actually found polaris damage to be really low, it takes way too long to finish off monsters and thus is simply boring to use regularly. Yes to nerfing visuals or providing options to disable them, no to the rest.
Blame yourself for people going against you, just one look at the title almost made me post in a different way. "plzz nerf this" has the magical effect of provoking some people.
@Psychodestroyer
Don't think he once insulted OP or anyone else. You just have though which according to the ToS could be rewarded with a ban.
Reported. U mad brah?
Sat, 02/25/2012 - 18:06
#64
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@Blaqqie: What in blazing are you saying...? Blame yourself for people going against you... what...?
And your report is a false report, so ur in a load of trouble now. GG, Kthnxbai.
Sat, 02/25/2012 - 18:13
#65
@Blaqqie:
Hello Asukalan #2. If you haven't noticed, Asukalan *was* being impolite and trolling the OP with his 'greater intellect'. Not sure why you're backing him up, #2.
Also...all Psycho did was point out what Asukalan *always* does on nerf threads. Notice that the "quotation" marks didn't end until the very last part of the paragraph.
"Alot of them can be spammed just as much, knockback the enemies safely and cause status effects. I actually found polaris damage to be really low, it takes way too long to finish off monsters and thus is simply boring to use regularly."
I don't know of any other gun that can be spammed like Polaris and give massive knockback and status effects. Please give some examples dear sir. Polaris actually out-DPS' many guns, so finding it's damage "low" means you probably don't gun much. Boring or not, people just looove spamming it.
~Sev
Sat, 02/25/2012 - 19:18
#66
E for Epic
@Imperialstriker
Come at me bro
@SevereRage
Dont be so mad, lean back and have some of my kitkat. I was talking about weapons in general silly ;]
But I agree with you, let's turn this into an 'all other guns need a boost' thread.
Sat, 02/25/2012 - 20:11
#68
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I'm confused.
Asuka has definitely been rude/insulted people in other threads before, not to mention keeps calling out OOO for conspiring to grab money from players etc. I merely stated that fact, but nowhere can I see me directly insulting Asukalanforum, unless you refer to my horrible spelling imitation of Asuka raging on someone, in which you would still be incorrect, because that is not an insult. An obvious exaggeration of speech, but the meaning maintains it's intensity.
Hold on, just read Sev's post. Let me edit that so it's more obvious which is what.
K, added the emphasis thingy to the quoted part, although it's not really a quote, but whatever.
So no, I not mad, because you reported me for something I didn't do. So I don't particularly have any worries. Saying I have none whatsoever makes me sound stuck-up, and is not true either. I always worry. What about though, you'll never know :P
So, yeah. Why you reported me, I'm not quite sure, unless you're Ingame/IRL buddies with Asuka and took it personally, or just misinterpreted what I said.
And saying 'Umad?' and 'Chillax brah' and being sarcastic to people who oppose you isn't going to earn you any favors/respect. Just unwanted attention, and possibly a flame war.
Less likely, but still wholly possible.
Sat, 02/25/2012 - 20:22
#69
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Just ignore him. All he wants is attention. Give him none and he'll leave.
I don't like reasoning with 10 year olds anyways.
Sun, 02/26/2012 - 04:09
#70
Dear Psychodestroyer,
I haven
Dear Psychodestroyer,
I haven not read many of Asukalanforum's posts save for a thread or two. Merely went against the bandwagon of asukalanforum haters who even bring up his past bannings to get him silenced. No need for this my friend, surely OP is mature enough to handle his argueing by herself.
Also reporting... Not even once. Please stay safe.
Live.Laugh.Love<3
Blaqqie
Sun, 02/26/2012 - 06:03
#71
Sometimes bandwagons are
Sometimes bandwagons are perfectly justified. If you're only opposing us because you think there's too many of us disliking him, then that's a little foolish and ridiculous. He has been very rude and patronizing to the players in this thread and many threads. None of us are haters; we've asked him more than once to drop the attitude. He's not "silenced" but he has to learn how to say something without being mean about it. Part of living in the real world is learning to get along with others and being respectful even to people you don't like. Do you think this would be an acceptable way to treat your boss and coworkers? Or your classmates and teachers? How about your friends and family?
I did not know though that in addition to the knockback and status affect, the gun outdamages all the rest as well. I am going to agree that I think this was meant to be the bandaid solution when gunners were asking for gunning to be more affective. I could be wrong, though.
Sun, 02/26/2012 - 09:47
#72
ok just to bring this point up
have you seen the threads saying "gunners need a buff" and things like that and all the complaints about them not being as strong?SO this is saying "let's weaken one of their great guns" which goes against all these threads and complaints.
Sun, 02/26/2012 - 09:51
#73
@Spyash:
Name one pure-gunner that uses Polaris primarily. Just one.
Polaris is a utility weapon used by Sword-users, but it deals too much damage (And is mega spam in PvP). Anyway, Wuvvums probably said it better than I so I'll quote her: " I am going to agree that I think this was meant to be the bandaid solution when gunners were asking for gunning to be more affective."
~Sev
Sun, 02/26/2012 - 10:08
#74
well....
i can't name one pure-gunner because none of my friends are pure gunner. Well i guess on the occasion i could name myself for certain levels as a pure gunner where i use a kilowatt-pulsar in RJP and it helps alot but then again it's not often at all that happens and i'm not a gunner at all.I completely see your point but it is a pure elemental boss weapon. i think of it as a sort of DA like gun high elemental damage with good knockback, both are very lethal in there own way DA: does a crap load of damage on the first hit and kills you on the second and if not dead you've been pushed back. Polaris:Push back good damage and if you've been hit a few times and got shocked your screwed if you didn't get shocked you might be ok but probably wat fast attacks from a gun on the person with a polaris. thats my analysis from being killed by them over and over again but it might not be to reliable since i don't have either weapon at it's max but have a three star version of both.
~ Spyash
Sun, 02/26/2012 - 10:41
#75
@Severage
That point wasn't
@Severage
That point wasn't mine but someone in the thread said it so I thought it would be reiterating again. I do think it's actually plausible the gun was made to make gunning "better."
Sun, 02/26/2012 - 20:35
#76
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I am further confused.... -_-
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 01:05
#77
personally
I never saw polaris as over powered in lockdown. I wear the ashtail and rarely get killed buy it mainly becuase the bullet are slow. Actually ever since the peacemaker started to deal pure elemental they have become far worse than polaris because there much faster and have a larger amount of bullets.
However I do think they could remove or reduce it chance of causing shock and increase the status opportunity on alchemers. If you get rid of it ability to shock i could make less valuable in lock down.
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 04:21
#78
I'm glad more people are
I'm glad more people are realizing how broken the Polaris is. I was one of the first people to question whether or not it was too powerful in the Arsenal forum a few weeks after its release. Most people thought I was being silly but the tide began to change when Lockdown was released.
One problem with the Polaris that is seldom discussed concerns the charge attack. There doesn't seem to be any situation where you would ever want to use it. The Antigua line relies on the normal shots in most cases but its charge attack is handy when you want to deal a lot of damage to monsters with a lot of health.
Thu, 03/01/2012 - 05:38
#79
D:
Noooooooooo! Don't nerf my Polaris! We always solo ....
Thu, 03/01/2012 - 20:57
#80
@Tevokkia
"Noooooooooo! Don't nerf my Polaris! We always solo ...."
It's not "your" Polaris, it's the game's. Just because you have a personal attachement to an overpowered weapon is not any sort of valid argument to not have the gun rebalanced. The game's mechanics promote party play, and what do you mean, "We always solo", that statement is kind of contradictory.
Thu, 03/01/2012 - 21:10
#81
Erm....
IMO, you should chill. Tev is 'ranting' about how one of her favorite weapons will get nerfed and therefore be less effective, seeing as she always solos.
The personal attachment was just to re-iterate the despairity. I have a personal attachment to my Ascended Calibur. I don't like having to abandon it in a stage for better functionality.
'We' refers to her and her Polaris. Personification of a sort. Like Max and Mark in my fanfic.
Thu, 03/01/2012 - 21:22
#82
@Psychodestroyer
So...it's a joke? The /sarcasm command is very unused these days, people should learn how to operate and display it :P
Thu, 03/01/2012 - 21:59
#83
Well...
More like a semi serious protest.
Like a scenario like this:
A: K dudes, I'm gonna toss this stuffed teddy, t's been here for like a century.
B: NUUUUUUUU! I LOVES THAT TEDDY. DON'T THROW HIM AWAY! TEDDYY!!!!!!!! WE SPEND TIME TOGETHER.
A comical protest also displaying a slight despair over an item they have grown attached to.
Unless she's just joking and I'm over-analyzing this.
I wouldn't assume he'd be banned and usually player bannings shouldn't be discussed because it's a sensitive topic that usually leads to drama. I would just suggest that you read up on the community rules and change accordingly.
I think a lot of what's been said has been discussed and I am not sure if we could add any new ideas. To reiterate I just think that the polaris has features that in certain ways outclasses swords and bombs. A weapon shouldn't have too many pros or too many cons that would make it a clear choice over another. Like others said maybe other weapons should be buffed to be on line with the polaris but that would require a lot of balancing. Instead of bringing all weapons to a higher level, why not reduce one to a lower level?
I want to say now I know how much of a kick in the pants it is to have a favorite weapon get nerfed. I really do. I've been playing since closed beta and what would be the best weapon one day was usually replaced by another the next. The firotech MK2 used to be the best, then it was the khorovod, then the cutter, and so on. What happened? People were going for the best content and not trying the other content that the developers worked long and hard on to create. They got balanced. They got balanced so that people would play with the other game content they took time to make. All MMOs do this so people don't feel like shoe-horning themselves into the best class or stats and can be on equal footing with others. It's so they can feel like they won't be punished for experimenting and trying different things; everything in short should be on an equal footing to some extent. Guns should be equal to other guns, swords should be equal to other swords, and bombs and so on. We can say that swords are better than guns and it's not fair but when you get into it you see everything has its own advantage, especially when you're working in a team. I would like to see some balancing and feature to things that were once overlooked, and a reason to experiment and try other stuff.