dude, increase the CE price has nothing to do with ppl who grind crowns in missions.
for who grind for crowns the lower the CE price the better.
only ppl who want to make profit with CE selling want the CE price to increase.
if you can turn 100 CE into 400 CE with two KoA runs, why would you want to make 3?
at the current rate of 7.5k per 100 CE you need 3 runs of 12k to get 36k crowns to be able to buy the 400 CE (30k crowns) that you were able to buy for 24k about 2~3 weeks ago.
"dude, increase the CE price has nothing to do with ppl who grind crowns in missions."
Um...yes it does...
People buy CE to grind KoA, get more crowns, and buy more CE. And almost EVERY T3 player is doing it. That's a massive CE sink and a massive CR pump.
~Sev
Yeah... the more crowns in the game, the less they are worth, so price of stuff goes up.
The sad thing is, only the Superohmygoshheissorich players can do the FSC mission, so new players suffer because the worth of the very few crowns they have decrease.
Indeed Serell
As for removing Hall of Heroes, I feel like the main purpose of this is to help new players get up and ready sooner and with CE prices skyrocketing, they really kind of need all the help they can get. Also, I'm pretty sure many new players would feel upset if they were unable to capitalize on this benefit so... I don't think they will be removing the Hall of Heroes yet.
Also, do they sell 5 star recipes? Because I had to bust my ass to get my shivermist buster and Blitz needle recipe. Kind of makes me sad if they do.
They give out the Azure sets, Shadow driver(only 4*) and Plasma Capacitor(Only 4*) recipies in missions.
I have to do The great escape...
Dangit I have the shadow driver recipe learned already. Oh well.
Edit: They also give out the strike needle for free ):
I love it, I am free and I like to save money when I can. Most people just saw what OTHER people got, and did not even realize that BOMBS even existed. When I was a newb, I barely knew bombs existed, or what types were good for what. H of H is like an advanced tutorial to show off your options. Also, there are still boss token items, and that is good business still. Another thing, no one ACTUALLY talks to someone to get a recipe in the havens, they just go to the AH.
"People buy CE to grind KoA, get more crowns, and buy more CE. And almost EVERY T3 player is doing it. That's a massive CE sink and a massive CR pump."
are you listening yourself?
for who is grinding money in missions the higher the CE price the worse, because it means more runs for same purpose.
like i said, from 6k to 7.5k its one more run for same 400 CE.
I was disappointed when I saw hall of heroes... All those recipes, easy to get as long you had done enough missions (Which is the about only obstacle getting there) and then you can go and buy them? Great... I was okay with it as it stopped into 3*/4* but then I discovered 5* ones. Okay, the fawk? We can just go there, buy the recipe and be happy. Before it, finding right recipe was pain and problems, but same time exciting. Now? I feel like walking to shopping mall. Only recipes you can't get from there are boss ones... I am disappointed to the fact it is too easy to get recipes nowadays.
I personally think Hall of Heroes shouldn't sell recipes. Rather, it should function as the "rent a weapon" place, in which you can borrow a weapon for the map.
There should be a small room with scuttlebots/training dummies/reskinned enemy families that you can TEST the weapons on. You can test out weapons in the Hall of Heroes, and see their alchemy lines, along with what it requires to craft them.
Then, Basil will be useful again, the Hall of Heroes will be useful for new people, and Missions will get less heat for being the Compact Clockworks.
The gates have no purpose whatsoever anymore
they do, as HoH doesnt have all recipes.
IMO most of HoH recipes are just to help you get through clockworks faster so you can work on really good, top weapons.
you can make nice weapons from HoH, but not top weapons.
Have you seen the population of the gates? Not everyone out there plays spiral knights to "solo" through it ya know? I am sure alot of people liked how spiral knights party assigning mechanics were great in comparison to other games where you are mostly minding your own business.
More profits is made with missions, so that's one reason less to go through gates.
80% of the recipes can now be bought instantly, so another reason less using the gates.
I think what 3 rings should do is overhaul the gates and give them a new purpose. Make them work differently or whatever. Give it some kind of MAJOR incentive because really, it sucks not having 1 place where you can guaranteed find a party because it attracts players. That's what the gates used to be, but now all the players are so divided through all the content that chances are small you will find a party at a specific place at a specific time.
Only then I will be fine with the hall of heroes
With that said I've seen numerous threads in this subject, And I agree to a certain point.
But, there has to be more of a change that the new players can use prestige points to get so a certain recipe set.
For example, Lets say a player can access the hall of hero's for thier t2 certification, so instaed of making those recipes avaialable with just only crowns, they also need to have a certian amount of prestige points in order to obtain that set, that said Prestige can then be set in the following:
for 100 Points say 1 star, for 500 Points 2 stars respectiveley thats the progression.
Otherwise its more where its redudant, and at this point all above arguments are vialable.
Janet
@Janesbank: Making the recipes not only cost cr to buy, but prestige as well... Thats a nice idea!
@Shion : ....Do you not get anything? Ohmygoshheissorich players can do the FSC mission and get LOADS of cr, enough to buy more than doulbe the energy they used on it. So... that means people are going to charge more for selling their CE, because they know people who do the FSC mission can easy afford it. The more crowns, the less they are worth. BUT, only people that can do the FSC mission can get all those cr, so new players suffer. Geez, how can you seriously think the increase of price for CE is hurting people who can do the FSC mission, they still gain more than enough cr to buy double as much energy they spent on the mission -_-
/facepalm
relevant youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jC8JIjW2cw
you just pointed the same i said before:
its because of people who rely on SELLING CE that the prices go up, not the ppl who grind the crowns.
read yourself again.
"its because of people who rely on SELLING CE that the prices go up, not the ppl who grind the crowns."
*falls down on face*
~Sev
@Shion : Eh... im trying to make sense of waht you're saying, but i just can't....
What OOO needs to do : Limit missions to one per day.
This will solve everything.
Superohmygoshheissorich players can do their FSC mission and get more than double the mist they used in CE and be happy.
They will still be making lots of money, but atleast they won't be spamming the mission for the whole frickin day.
I believe this will lower the cost of CE, but not to much.
This should make everyone happy.