Something has been bothering me since the introduction of these new enemies, and having had a Gremlin Grounds prestige mission recently really brought it to the fore. My question is this: are the new gremlin enemies children? Because. I'm not okay with that, Three Rings. I don't care that they're snarling aliens, I don't care that they're trying to hit me with explosiony science hammers. I didn't sign on to slaughter kids. This has really been getting under my skin so I'd like an definitive "yes," or "no;" with a credible source if possible. Thanks.
Regarding the new Gremlin enemies
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 14:20
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 14:26
#2
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Everyone farms RJP, with baby mini-jellies and no one complains.
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 14:29
#3
But children are monsters
But children are monsters !
Also size != Age.
Or else that would mean midgets will have eternal youth.
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 14:38
#4
Species clause
@Horasu
Those are different species of beetle, though. These are pretty clearly the same species, just less developed. Maybe they're some kind of secret elite corps of dwarf gremlins, but I'd find that hard to believe without some kind of official hint to that nature.
@Juances
I also got the impression the minis were a different species from the regular jellies. Different colour, wot. Plus, while there's strong evidence the slimes are a sentient race--they have a currency and royalty and all that--it's not as irrefutably obvious as it is with Gremlins.
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 14:44
#5
Okay, forget beetles, what
Okay, forget beetles, what about squids? There are adult squids that range from a few inches to the giant squid that's almost 100 ft long. And they all look relatively the same. And before you say those are different species too, you can also think of the small gremlins as a different species than normal gremlins.
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 14:50
#6
The more you know
Actually, those little gremlins are in every mecha knight, retrode & lumber. In fact, there are about a dozen in each Roarmulus.
You've been killing them this whole time! The fact that they come out of their mechas to attack you slowly with wrenches shouldn't deter you.
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 15:01
#7
Maybe they're pigmy gremlins or something
@Horasu
Eeeeeh. It strains my willing suspension of disbelief, but I think I can work with it. Yeah, you might be right. I guess I'll go with the pygmy gremlin theory. I'll still feel kind of bad, but not so much that I can't go back to Fausting them left and right.
@Sypsy
Which is why we can power up derelict Mecha Knights and construct them from Kits, right? Do the tiny gremlins come in the packs, or are they sold separately?
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 15:05
#8
Okay, if you're not
Okay, if you're not completely satisfied with that, here's my final argument: us. We humans have blonde hair, black hair, red hair, brown hair. Say an asian has black hair and a caucasian has blonde hair. So different races have different color. Now instead of color being the factor that changes, what if gremlins, being another species from humans entirely, differ by size instead? So a knocker would be an asian and a thwacker would be an african!
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 15:16
#9
@Yechezkel
Oh,
@Yechezkel
Oh, umm...........
Yes?
The mecha knights we power up are controlled by a remote via the power pack we use?
They tiny gremlins are asleep in them and have no power, but we gave them power and brain washed them to be on our side...?
I clearly didn't think through this.
xD
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 15:21
#10
Not unlike Jockeys, then
@Horasu
That was one of the first things I thought of, but it was the devs' comment of the "littlest ankle-biters" coming out to the front lines that bothered me. If Knocker was just a profession to which the smaller members of the species were naturally well-suited, I could understand. It makes sense for sappers to be small and fast, after all, to make them harder to hit. But I don't understand why they would describe them as "ankle-biters," then, an appellation generally reserved for children. However, your arguments have induced enough doubt into my assessment that I can continue with a--relatively--clear conscience. Shame we can't get an official comment on it, but they can't be expected to address every little issue.
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 15:25
#11
They're too adorable to be
They're too adorable to be children!
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 16:05
#12
I think they are all on drugs
I think they are all on experimental combat drugs or something. I stood still for a while while one of them was trying to hit me, to see what the attacks actually do. He missed. Twice. Then I put him out of his misery.
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 16:13
#13
HAHA XD
this thread is killing me due to laughter...
yes DUH theyre sold seperately, what do you think our knights do when were offline? SLEEP?? Pff
and no OF COURSE THEYRE NOT CHILDREN!! Who would send tiny baby to fight? theyre like the dwarf species of gremlin, like halflings ... and they have worse eyesight ... hence the goggles, which makes them easier to catch, see it all makes sense now ~
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 16:15
#14
IDK I play LD like an hour a
IDK I play LD like an hour a day I kill children all the time
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 16:38
#15
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I assumed that they were children too, you might argue that they are not because aliens (lame meme here). Gremlins themselves look like mammals and my friends say the same, these knockers look undeveloped by some reasons (small feet, small ears and their small size), I don't think they are dwarves because if that was the reason they wouldn't look like children, they would at least look more developed in some parts (big head doesn't count because that's a thing artists use to add an "adorableness" factor) like feets being a bit bigger and their big grin gremlins usually have.
I could say that this realization made me a bit "upset" because I am basically slaughtering alien kids. I do not like this enemy for it's looks and it could have been made in a different way (a small ball bot that goes around and explodes the same way without self-destructing) and it could have been acceptable, but I guess we needed cuteness despite the murder.
Also, don't expect another "serious" answer, these gremlin and story related threads never get a serious reply unlike "O.O if u dont liek dpnt play xd".
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 16:57
#16
Scorchers and Demo Gremlins
Scorchers and Demo Gremlins are noticeably smaller then Thwackers, Menders are noticeably smaller then Scorchers and Demos. Why can't the new Knocker class Gremlins just be the runts of the litters? It makes sense. And if you remember the lore for the Gremlins they take care of the Clockworks, one of the Knockers could easily get into tight areas that a Thwacker could not due to their much larger size.
And have you ever played Pokemon? Anything that is not a Pokemon's final form (ex: Charizard) is effectively a child or teenager.
~Gwen
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 16:58
#17
too bad i can only grant them
too bad i can only grant them a quick death by slashing/shooting them. it'd be nice if we can capture them and torture them to death
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 17:15
#18
...
D:
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 17:23
#19
I get a kick out of
edited this out, it was kind of dark. There still remains a snippit of what I typed in the subject.
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 17:28
#20
...
Whatever horrible intentions Rawrcake had, I now can only imagine...
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 19:19
#21
My thinking?
Yes they are
My thinking?
Yes they are children.
However they've all been given small plastic keys and have been told numerous times that if they are martryred these keys will let them go to The Core and receive 72 raisins.
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 19:46
#22
The knockers aren't
The knockers aren't children.
They're just small.
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 19:48
#23
You know, I had a thought
You know, I had a thought that gremlins don't really die when you take them out. I just think they get sent back to their gremlin places. Sort of like how knights port back to the haven when they can no longer fight.
And why is it only know there's a problem because of the knockers? Were you not slaughtering gremlins before? Or little animals? I guess the fiends would deserve it, but I mean overall I don't see why these little rascals are any less deserving of a beating than the rest of the enemies in the Clockworks. It's either whack or be whacked! :B
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 19:55
#24
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Kill ALL ze wittle babies!!!! Wait.... kill ALLL ze wittle babies? (Watch out for the explosions, I was cuddling one and I was like " aww so cute" and suddenly it bashed its wands together and next thing you know i walls on a wall on fire. we must kill zem all)
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 19:58
#25
Regarding the Knockers
Yes, I think they are children
Yes, I'm okay with that.
Why?
BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO KILL ME.
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 20:16
#26
meh
I feel kinda bad when they're laid out on their backs on the ground, but just for a second.
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 20:22
#27
I got this
I got this guys, gremlins don't have children, they're basically like orks from Warhammer 40k. Only more intelligent (debatable) and not green. Orks reproduce by spore propagation, and what the spores grow up to be can range from animals (squigs) to midgets (snotlings) to giants (warbosses) to gigantic animals (squiggoths). The new gremlins must be the equivalent of snotlings. Or something like that.
Mon, 02/27/2012 - 22:33
#28
...
Or they're midgets or lower class of gremlins.
Tue, 02/28/2012 - 00:41
#29
I subscribe to the idea
I subscribe to the idea they're simply runts. I can't remember clearly right now, but I think their sounds had the same pitch as bigger Gremlins, and who knows what kind of things they've been exposed to that could have caused their stunted growth. Those wands surely don't look safe. Also, as far as I know, many enemies disappear in a puff of smoke, so if there's really the moral issue of "killing Gremlin children," I suppose they're just teleporting back after a good beatdown so they can recover and plot their revenge on more unsuspecting Knights. Which is kinda also why the first video I saw of a Shadow Lair run was unexpectedly shocking, with all those Gremlin (dead) bodies scattered around.
Tue, 02/28/2012 - 02:28
#30
Size does matter
To be honest i don't think they are children, but rather Midgets, specialized in working in smaller spaces.
Also considering the size, you have to take in account that based on the tier, the gremlins themselves are smaller or bigger.
Darkfangs are larger than Ironclaws, which are larger than Tenderfoots. I remember seeing a tier 2 gremlin in a t3 decon zone and compared to the normal twacher he looked like a child. My friend felt bad for killing it.
So i still don't think that their cute tiny appearance means that they are kids.
Tue, 02/28/2012 - 02:38
#31
Knock 'er? I 'ardly know 'er!
They taste great with a side of Blaze Pepper
Tue, 02/28/2012 - 05:58
#32
TL;DR
Spiral Knights' story
TL;DR
Spiral Knights' story is so full of holes and missed opportunities that it isn't worth thinking about it anymore. I tried and came back severely disappointed. ._.
Wed, 02/29/2012 - 03:27
#33
you think THAT'S bad? What do
you think THAT'S bad? What do you think the VOG CUB SET is made out of? Little baby vogs!
Wed, 02/29/2012 - 03:40
#34
wrong. vog cubs are not baby
wrong. (unless off course you werent being serious, i cant tell)
vog cubs are not baby vogs. Vog himself isnt even a wolver. Vog "cubs" are just monsters (wolvers in this case), that Vog has granted his (if im remembering right) "fiery love" too.
Nick has explained this before.
Wed, 02/29/2012 - 06:16
#35
so, nobody called me out on what I said earlier
If we're going to go with some weird existential explanation how about this...
Gremlins have some kind of Brave New World going on. The Knockers are Epsilons, the Tenderfoots are Deltas, Ironclaws are Gammas and Darkfang are Betas, the Crimson Order consists of Alphas and the highest possible class: Alpha Double-Plus.
All the lower class Gremlins are cloned en-masse and are exposed to certain conditions as embryos/babies to shape their development towards whatever job/class they will take up as adults. The Epsilons are actually stunted by means of deliberate fetal alcohol poisoning. The Thwackers are exposed to numerous hormones and nutrients to grow into the strongest Gremlins possible, and the Scorchers/Welders (the dudes seen in the background of the Sky Islands levels) are given a large amount of heat tolerance.
Wed, 02/29/2012 - 07:45
#36
Raisins?
Honestly, reading what you said earlier was more of a "shake my head and sigh" sort of affair. I was assuming it was written in all snarkitude.
You can just pretend they're small adults. After all, there are big beetles and little beetles, that doesn't mean little beetles are the kids of big beetles.