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Babyfreezer got banned? Anyways, here's my story before I quit

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Tue, 02/28/2012 - 00:56
Babymicrowave's picture
Babymicrowave

I have no idea how I got banned lol... stupid things always happen. Anyways, will be back on the 29th to clear some stuff maybe.

Babyfreezer - Money making guru/Gunner... here's my short story

Started around July 2011
After 1 week - Got 3*, eventhough I wanted to keep that money as capital to make more from auction camping.
After 1 month - Got 5* Joined Apocalypse Guild for FSC runs
Once you get 5*, you feel finished. So around this time I just bought some ce to have fun, played bomberman, very little lockdown and lots of runs
August/September - Started making big moneys, VH CTR Sealed Sword was my first uber + more VH's came later
October - Roses where around and thinking they will go up in price, I nabbed a lot before they were gone.
Quit - just as accessories started

So all few tips for how y'all can make money guys. (I'm not from texas)

Under 5* = Auction camping (if you don't know, it means find the bargains and sell them back later for profit) and Jelly/Robot runs.
Over 5* = FSC runs and UV gambling (risky but usually 200-600k guarentees a high/VH)

UV gambling was how I got rich back then and how they raised the price from 15k to 20k for one UV punch lol... I kept punching the machine until I got something good and times I was mega rich and times I was mega poor. Sealed Swords was what I mainly did. Sometimes it took one punch for a max/VH like my max piercing CoF and VH CTR Sealed but once I spent about 400k-1mil.

When I can access my account again, I'll list everything I have and sell most of it. I would prefer crowns so I can gamble some more and give you guys back better items because I can risk it all and it won't matter. Otherwise, even better add me on steam and we can do some trades!

Babyfreezer~

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 01:14
#1
Mayaura's picture
Mayaura
i saw you in game

after you had apparently been banned, so what was the ban? you have no idea? scamming probably. i had no idea gambling could pay off.

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 01:22
#2
Babymicrowave's picture
Babymicrowave
Yo

yeah it said scamming, I said no idea how why... I remember we had some beef a long time ago, so I was joking around with when I saw you xD Yeah, gambling pays off though I do not recommend gambling in real life! You used to make money by trading right?

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 03:33
#3
Mayaura's picture
Mayaura
I have a question for you about bans.

Does the ban affect every player on your account? If you have 2 other accounts, do the players on those accounts get banned too?

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 03:44
#4
Asukalan's picture
Asukalan
even if ban description says

even if ban description says ,accountm it affects person so all accounts or your computer and ip

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 05:28
#5
Wuvvums's picture
Wuvvums
Hypothetically if the other

Hypothetically if the other accounts are owned by him they should be banned too, but I have been told before that sometimes they had to ban entire families because they can not verify different identities. I do think, however, that they let you appeal such bans if something like that happens (I know my brother got banned but he's under another computer and IP from me, but in short, don't let your siblings mess around!). Trying to use those said accounts would be ban evasion, which is trying to circumvent the punishment on your first account (I know some people were confused that ban evasion is a thing, as if the punishment doesn't carry with them if they make a new account). You also shouldn't bring your ban inquiries to the forums, but instead e-mail the staff.

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 06:30
#6
Asukalan's picture
Asukalan
Yeah, he shouldnt, but if you

Yeah, he shouldnt, but if you choose to, staff may be forced to post details of your case publicaly. So actually ban discussion is not forbitten on forum (according to forum guidelines). Thats also intresting why all ban topics are graveyarded or locked on forum as soon as forum admin sees it, even if forum guidelines allow them.

Also my topic about forum guideliines and point about ban discussion on forum was completly ignored.
it seems there is general attitude towards punishing SK players instead aiming towards clarification of rules to PREVENT bannable/prohibited offences before they happen, becouse ban policy is albo not very clear, example:

In report menu there is a report reason: annoying, but there it says if someone is annoying ignore him, cant report. But then there is spam report reason and its description is: spam is annoying and its not allowed, so wait... spam is not allowed becouse its annoying? But you cant report ppl for being annoying, annoying ppl get ignored. Or maybe spam is not allowed becouse its not allowed? Very clear indeed. Also same spam definition is not clear and be misinterpreted, it says its posting same thing over and over again, what does it mean? Is over and over again starting at 2 things one after another? Maybe 3 or it starts at 4?

The point is that rules are not clear, forum guidelines are too, ban reasons too, and noone is trying to make thhem clear OR even when asked for clarification admins remain silent. If someone from support would make ban policy more clear we could avoid bans and ppl breaking rules becouse they would know they should not do it.

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 06:37
#7
Wuvvums's picture
Wuvvums
Spamming is not "annoying"

Spamming is not "annoying" but disruptive to the game, and unproductive to enter the same message over and over again. It's very clear that you would go report someone for spamming before reporting someone for just plain ticking you off, and sometimes people get annoyed over things that are not rule-breaking. I think they're very clear in explaining what breaks the rules and what does not. Getting on people's nerves doesn't break the rules is what they're saying and you can't file a report for that. But spamming and flooding chat? Yeah, that's rule-breaking. I think this is a non-issue, because the complaint system is very straight-forward in the way it's laid out.

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 06:44
#8
Wuvvums's picture
Wuvvums
By the way, this is what it

By the way, this is what it says about spam:

Spamming — If someone is spamming they are repeating text or sending long lines of nonsense with the sole purpose filling up the chat screen of others. Only complain about this behavior if it is more than a couple lines of chat. In the case of only a couple lines of chat, you should consider ignoring them.

It doesn't mention anything about whether the behavior is annoying.

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 07:05
#9
Blaqqie's picture
Blaqqie
Truths

@Asukalanforum
My thread was trashed too pretty quickly. What 3O doesn't like they get rid of, in a blink of an eye. Stalin would be proud.
If a ban is unjust other players deserve to see what's going on, this could happen to any of us.

@Wuvvums
Alright just spit it out already, how much is Three Rings paying you to support them from a players point of view.
Your behavior goes way beyond fanboyism and I ain't buying it anymore.

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 07:20
#10
Wuvvums's picture
Wuvvums
They haven't paid me to

They haven't paid me to support them, but they do pay me for my artwork on whirled. That's about it. The funny thing is I've talked with their CEO before, some of their main artists, their marketing reps, their moderators, and I always liked how casual they were and how much they communicated with the player base. It's harder to notice and see on Spiral Knights, but if you were on whirled there was once a point where you could talk to most of their staff and representatives. I think this is a -good- thing, for an MMO they have been rather open in their lines of communication.

I also don't know how what I said was "fanboy." I explained the reporting system which I found off a simple wiki search that explains everything. The name-change you had as well was explained as being an inappropriate word. I'm sorry but being in support of a game's rules doesn't make one a "fanboy." If you've seen me on other sites I behave the same way, so it's not my biased towards OOO (even though I do like and support the company).

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 07:23
#11
Pepperonius's picture
Pepperonius
@Blaqqie

Just because someone supports a company, doesn't automatically make them fanboys, or on the payroll. It likely means that Wuvuums knows how to read the TOS, and has a deeper understanding of how a company works, than, i dont know, lets say a butthurt 13 year old (not implying anything, simply using an example). For instance, I've reported people for spamming, scamming and other things. I will NOT report someone if they are not in violation of the TOS. Just because you annoy me, doesn't mean it's reportable.

I support 3O (with the exception of the expansion mission fiasco) because IMO they have been fair and equitable as a company, and generally have their customers interests at heart. With your situation, I'm not certain what happened, seeing as Yussie isn't offensive to my knowledge, and I was unable to find an instance where it was. It sucks, but it's life. It's funny, because i find Blaqqie to be more offensive than Yussie, but all you can do is find a diferent name, and stop acting like 3O has it out for everyone. They have addressed issues properly, and have put out a good game, and resolved other name issues.

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 07:31
#12
Wuvvums's picture
Wuvvums
@ Perronius That's what I

@ Perronius

That's what I thought as well when I first saw the thread title. I thought they were named "Blackie" and had it changed to "Blaqqie" which I could see as plausibly getting a name-change as well. I never said this outright because some people would probably argue political correctness and all that.

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 07:42
#13
Asukalan's picture
Asukalan
@WuvvumsGreat, Its another

@Wuvvums

Great, then its another thing that is not clarified, and left for misintepretation, when you get banned for spamming instead of logon screen you see this text:

"Spamming - flooding the chat with the same message or nonsense over and over - annoys other players and is forbidden." as a reason of ban.

While it should show exact reason you get banned for, there Reason you are banned - description of it - why its forbidden, and yet it says it annoys players and is forbidden.

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 07:40
#14
Wuvvums's picture
Wuvvums
Because that's just common

Because that's just common sense. Almost everywhere you spam you get reprimanded for it. It's common netiquette not to spam, and I don't think they need to explain anything beyond telling you "don't do it."

I also think there's a little gap you aren't getting. Spamming is bannable and it is annoying. Being annoying itself is not bannable unless it's part of a bannable offense. Because A=B and B=C does not mean that A=C. Spamming and being annoying have something in common but they aren't exactly the same, and you would report someone for spamming players before you'd report someone for being annoying.

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 07:49
#15
Vescrit's picture
Vescrit
Vescrit is glad he hasn't

Vescrit is glad he hasn't been banned for spamming via pokewar.

Vescrit is feeling pokey!

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 07:56
#16
Pepperonius's picture
Pepperonius
*pokes Vescrit*

@ Asuka

If i follow you, what you are suggesting is to actually have the offending spam shown to you on the ban screen. For instance

"you are banned for spamming on 02/28/2012: the offending text is : aoihdfaoiwirirjh[gar[irtgjao[orjgojgoirtgpoiwajfa " posted 12 times in a span of 5 minutes."

Am i hearing you correctly? i would agree with this completely.

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 08:00
#17
Vescrit's picture
Vescrit
Vescrit is confused!

Vescrit tries to poke Perronius, but Perronius is a shield! Shields are resistant to poking! Shields don't have arms either!

Vescrit will now stop derailing the thread.

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 08:02
#18
Pepperonius's picture
Pepperonius
*pokes Vescrit again*

:D

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 08:12
#19
Vescrit's picture
Vescrit
I get out and they just pull me back in!

Vescrit equips Perronius and blocks gun puppy bullets.

<.<

>.>

Poke!

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 08:41
#20
Blaqqie's picture
Blaqqie
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@Perronius
Someone that goes out of their way to defend people they do not even know tells me they have ulterior motives.
If it isn't payment then it would mean you actually love this company. In that case accept my apologies, I probably won't be able to understand why.

About Yussy, I'm still talking it out with them. The only thing I do not like is that they see people as guilty before proven. It should be the other way around.
Namechanging is bad but getting banned without knowing why is probably even worse. If you invested time in this game and it happened to you, you would understand better.

About Blaqqie, you probably mean the QQ. I wanted Black or Blackie but they were both taken, it's not meant as a trollname. Perhaps a mod could change it, this time I wouldn't mind :)

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 08:47
#21
Wuvvums's picture
Wuvvums
Well that's the thing. I

Well that's the thing. I actually love the company. I've been playing with them for years even before SK was out. They made another game that was totally artwork based and while I'm not on it anymore (the lag is HORRIBLE) it did give me incentive to take my copy of flash and learn how to use it. They pretty much pushed me to draw and animate more, and I love their game so much I am currently making a comic. They have been my creative inspiration for awhile and the same for many artists, and I do like how they made a treasure vault of the forums just for us. Not sure if others are aware of how great OOOs is to artists and small game-developers.

Tue, 02/28/2012 - 10:31
#22
Eurydice's picture
Eurydice
Community Manager
> I have no idea how I got

> I have no idea how I got banned lol... stupid things always happen.

Well, your first clue would be in the text of your suspension message, which reads as follows: "Scamming players is not allowed. Do not make promises to trade items you aren't going to trade. Doing so again will result in a permanent ban."

If you want to appeal, the way to do that is thisaway, not on the forums.

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