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"You all expect Three Rings to provide you with a great game and good content and not pay a cent forward"

We expect that all players will be threated equally, we will not be forced to use third party applications to trade expansion pack and furute $$$ content, we expect to be able to trade it with ingame client aswell (not only via steam). We do want to pay, we want to pay with CE, and remember ALL CE that is in game was bought with $$$ so in the end OOO gets profits from that even if we could buy it ingame from vendor for CE.

"For those who don't like the fact that the DLC is not available on kongregate or the other services, Three Rings is working on it. They wouldn't leave you in the dust, but it's not their fault, it's the other companies fault." So, tell me whoes fault is it that we cant trade it with official Spiral Knights client on official Spiral Knights site? Other companies? What other Companies? Its OOO fault.

I can trade crowns for CE but the CE im buying came from OOO, it didnt appeared magically someone had to buy it with $$$

@Asukalanforum

someone had to.

did you?

No. You haven't bought CE, and so you aren't helping the SK economy. Odds are, you're hording thousands, meaning that you're keeping CE from circulating.

the CE argument is like saying the car your parents bought for you to drive is yours. Someone else actually did the hard work to pay for it, but that doesn't matter since it's now in your hands.

you missed the point.

you think you should be able to purchase the DLC for CE. You haven't spent money on CE, you've traded with other players for it. That means you haven't put money in OOO's pocket. A third-party reference may be paying OOO per-activation or per-click, so using something like Steam may = money on THEIR end.

not your end, THEIR end. It doesn't matter what sort of CE saving wizardry you've done; it means that you won't sacrifice anything for a game that you've enjoyed enough to make an empire in.

EDIT: also, remind me not to let you borrow my car.

Im not paying $$ if i buy it from other player but i increase deamand, therfore giving reason to other players to keep on buying CE with $$$ and bring OOO even more profit. If ppl would not need CE they would not buy it even from players, the demand would drop and players would have no reason to buy extra CE with $$$ means less profit.

Players who buy CE from other players give them reason to buy even more CE from OOO with $$$, we are helping OOO to get money.

asukalan has a point. (if) he's hoarding CE, that prevents CE circulation which makes more people buy CE, in result bringing more profit to OOO. and his rage about kongregate players lagging behind the DLC has a point, a platform should not be discriminated nor not have the right to not have a certain feature.

but yet he does not know how businesses work. if OOO thinks that they don't profit from kongregate or any platform, they have the right to shut it down. what i'm smelling is that OOO and kongregate has issues with profits, and they're not in an agreement with something. like, cmon, they released it on steam no problem, and the data is included in the patch already, and all you need is an unlock code on your character to make you go play the DLC.

I have only a few real complaints with this update: the nature of the new weapons and the precedent it's established.

First, the new weapons are extremely useful and unique - a damage-oriented Shadow bomb and a pure elemental sword with unique, versatile mechanics. In a game with PvP Lockdown, more PvP modes promised to be on their way eventually, and a booming equipment-oriented PvE these weapons introduce a form of power creep - but only to those who buy it. In PvE it isn't so much a problem, it'll just make your life a bit harder if you don't buy the package and instead grind up the regular equips, but in PvP modes it's nearly a pay-to-win package, where it's significantly easier and faster to just buy the expansion mission for four dollars (currently 30% off, making it eventually around $5.65) than deal with the Rocket Hammers and Dark Retributions. Not to mention that it's 5* equipment for free, basically, if you complete the mission.

I wouldn't be too irked by it if it were the ONLY expansion mission or even the only one coming out in quite a while, but they're not going to come out with an entire tab on the Missions section and only ever have one mission there. They're going to make more. There will be more coming eventually, and odds are they'll all have their own unique rewards too. What worries me is that this first mission already has quite powerful and very unique equipment, and if missions keep getting pumped out in the future, exactly how many missions will we need to buy to stay competitive in PvE and Lockdown? And moreover, will these weapons balanced to be on-par with currently existing equipment, or will they be the equivalent of pay-to-win?

Naturally, I don't know how often these missions will be coming out, so I may be completely off the mark about this. However, the more of these expansion missions come out the worse things will get in my opinion, especially if OOO tries to make the mission rewards as good and unique as possible, creating a situation which I'd really rather not be a part of.

On an unrelated note, the expansion missions leech off of time for the devs to do bugfixes and improvements in other areas in the game - OOO's team isn't exactly the biggest in the world and the more they're working on premium content the less time they have to work on content that already exists and needs improving on. I'm also rather worried that the number of "regular" weapons released to the grand public will slow to a crawl if this gets REALLY bad, and virtually all new weapons will just be funneled into the newest expansion mission that's coming out, leading to a slowly accreting pay wall that just keeps getting higher and higher, and eventually completely stops newcomers from getting into the game at all since no content is being released for them unless they want to pay $24 upfront to "catch up."

Is this update going to cause me to quit? No, though I'll probably go onto a small, brief hiatus and see what happens in the week or two to come. Is it going to dampen my willingness to play in the future? HECK yes. Whether I stay or not is probably going to depend on how much focus is put onto Expansion Missions in the future, and how often.

Credit card isn't the only way to pay. There are several options, paypal among them, that don't require credit cards. Also, the states have a super game card, or something like that. You can also buy prepaid credit cards, that work the exact same way. your statement is invalid.

Had you wanted to refute the OP, you should have said "not everyone is old enough to have a job and disposable income". Sometimes, mom and dad won't pay for a game, even if it's 4$, and they won't let you go buy a prepaid card either.

While you are right i was trying to say that not all of us F2p have acess to those items. You adreesed those. thanks for the correction.

I think that in the future, when lots of people have htis anyway and there is new more relevant content, this will be made available for a CE payment. For now it is good that OOO is getting guaranteed income people! Like OP said, this money will go towards the production of new content that might not have any price tag at all!