Spiral Knights - Show of hands; who left and who went dormant? Also, my rant.

Show of hands; who left and who went dormant? Also, my rant.

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Thu, 03/01/2012 - 11:05

Tengu

Just curious.

Also, my two cents.

The update was $3.95USD. I was going to not get it if it was $10 or more, but it was $4. I paid it and started playing immediately, and was pleasantly surprised with the levels and gear.

I have to ask...

To the kids playing...how much do you spend on soda in a day? For that matter, how many of you use the vendor machine at school? Switch from soda to water for a week and pay for the DLC by going to your local minimart and picking up a game card or pay as you go visa/mastercard/whatever. This is the 21st century, and there's MANY ways to make your money count everywhere. If you want to pout about the f2p thing...maybe you should return to your studies.

To the adults.

please PLEASE don't try to play the "f2pf2pf2p" thing. Nothing in this world is f2_, and if it is, it's not worth your time. A business puts out free samples to entice customers to pay for a better quality service/item/etc. OOO has been content to let the layabouts live in relative splendor in comparison to other MMOs by making most everything CE based. Now...it seems that you f2pers lose a lot in the equation because you have to grind FSC 3 times a day to earn enough cr + CE to get anything accomplished. Turns out having that CE on-hand didn't help much in this situation, did it.

I have suggestions to the ragequitters. Take your CE and sell it all. Leave for real, and ruin the game economy while you're at it. Don't go into hibernation mode, because you won't be back. You'll log on in a month and find out that...not only did they NOT UNDO THE PAY-ONLY, BUT THEY MADE ANOTHER ONE!!!!!!! AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!! so you should just quit for good. Hit that sell button while you're drinking that $5 Starbucks and think about which horse you're backing.

Since we're having these cathartic death-rattle moments, I'll draft mine as well, as I'm not long for this game either.
I started playing right after Alpha hit. I didn't have enough friends online to farm JK, I had never even BEEN to FSC, and Snarb and RT didn't exist. When I decided to start buying CE, I spent as wisely as possible and used the purchases to open up new alts, who...since being paid for, had their own mist. I stopped this process after 8 or them. They made me plenty of money before the AH market fell through in all aspects.
I joined a few guilds, all of which were nice until the leaders had real-life issues to deal with.
Now I'm a GM, along with a couple other players. I'm close to cashing my chips in, as I have crafted 90%+ of the weapons in the game. I don't think I have the wherewithal to make the armors, unfortunately.

I had a lot of fun on SK. I thought it had more replay factor than Everquest, which I walked away from at lvl 38 + the equipment and skill to level to 60 (the cap at the time). It took too long to farm xp. It's more fun that WoW, which I gave 5 characters runs up to lvl 10. In-game interactions bordered on insane, they were so moronic, and again...grind took too long. I didn't even give the DDO game a week, as it just wasn't put together well. I tried La Tale and that other one it's based on...but boy are there stupid people there.

I think that's my problem. Stupid people. Reactionaries, pouters, l33tspeakers....the whole line of annoying gamer archetypes. I leave when I'm outnumbered, or when the grind takes longer than an hour chunk.

This game used to have neither problems. Now it only has one of the problems since Steam was connected. Those are going to be the reasons I quit, not that they asked me for 4 bucks in exchange for a lot of neat levels, a few brand new gremlin enemies, 2 awesome weapons for gratis, and a REALLY NICE helmet for shooters.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 11:11

Etendue

I completely agree with the

I completely agree with the drop in player quality after steam was introduced. Before june, it seemed like the player community was much more mature, with more people typing using passable grammar.

I'm going to stick around for longer though. If you want to, you could donate to me before you quit :P make somebody happy before you leave~

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 11:13

Jamoo

I ended up quitting, out of

I ended up quitting, out of two things.
1. Boredom. I've been playing since the summer and there's always a time when you get bored of things.
2. School. I study music and languages, two time-consuming courses, so I have no time for Spiral Knights.

But also, Spiral Knights can get addicting. I play games in my free time, such as Teamfortress 2. Because it is not addicting. You can go on and off without worrying.
But I'm on the forums still, because the community here sometimes cracks me up.

In case anybody wonders, I gave 190kcr each to Rowfie and Irevolutioni. Because they were my greatest friends on this game.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 11:15

Tengu

I read your post, Jamoo.

I read your post, Jamoo. You've got good reasons to go. Fare thee well, and keep your grades up.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 11:18

Tengu

Etendue; I would, but I have

Etendue; I would, but I have nothing to donate :D All my gear is bound, and my CE never gets above 1000 before I build something else. heheh My alts will have a good home though.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 11:27

Guardianknight

@Topic

I have to aggree with you on some of the things you said.
I aggree that 4$ isn't that much and anyone who really wants the expansion mission shouldn't have a difficult time coming
up with the money. I can pay the 4$ but I choose not to because I've been trying to go through this game as a F2P player.
For my own personaly reasons.
From what I've heard, the content seems to be worth the 4$ so I might have to reconsider.

What bothers me the most is the fact that this new P2P content has a new boss, new weapons, and most importantly, a
new story. If Three Rings made some P2P content that was somewhat outside of the story of SK, I'd be okay with that.
But now, I can't enjoy the new boss, new levels, new weapons, and new story unless I pay?.....in a supposedly F2P game?
Makes me a little frustrated. I might just be over reacting so excuse me if I'm looking at this the wrong way.
Sorry to hear you're quitting....Good luck in whatever life has instore for you and stop in once in a while to say hi:)

@Jamoo:
Sorry to hear you're quitting as well. I know we were never "friends"
but I hope you stop in on the community once in a while to say hi.
Good luck with school:)

The one and only, Guardianknight.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 11:53

Tengu

@guardianknight no, I get it.

@guardianknight

no, I get it. I really do. Thank you for phrasing it in thoughtful manner. My retort is;

we're going on almost a year of f2p gametime. In the space of SK's f2p time, many MMOs have come and gone on a pure f2p concept, and many have become very strong in their fields due to p2p setups. OOO has gotten a few boosts, due to the Steam access and Sega's acquisition, but there has to be a tipping point in profitability. With Sega breathing down their necks, profitability is now an even bigger issue than ever before.

Pocket Legends and Blackstar Chronicles are similarly structured MMOs for Android, and I actually came over from PL in the beginning. They had the "spine" of f2p material, and you had to cashout or do 3rd party vendor adclicks and promo codes for plat, which would allow you to buy more DLC....of which there was an aggressively large amount. So much so that they've made...I dunno, 6 or 7? this year, as well as an entire other game, namely Blackstar. You could get away with being f2p if you spent some time adclicking and promo purchasing like I did.

The only thing OOO doesn't do that PL does is adclicks and promos. I remember bringing that up in the forums here when I started, and getting shut down with venomous rage, so I never brought it up again. Turns out that everything anyone ever says here is shut down with venomous rage.

I wish they would. It would not only end the f2p/p2p argument for good, but it would also probably up the income of OOO by...well, enough to make 6 or 7 DLCs and a different game altogether.

So, back to you, Guardian. You've chosen a F2P gameplay, which I have no problem with. If you choose to pay for the DLC, I have no problem with that either. If you want to circulate a petition about how OOO should have their toenails pulled out because they're charging lost-in-the-couch-cushions money for their hard-designed product, then...well...go away. heh

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 12:51

Thimol

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I've also had this problem with the f2pers. For whatever reason, they won't spend money on a game, but they'll pay anything for a brand name elsewhere. Now, I know this isn't all of them (some simply won't have money to spare at all), but I think there's a good amount of the playerbase that could set their priorities straight.

In my case, paying for an MMO is stigmatized in my family, but I pay for CE anyway. No one knows.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 12:56

Aemicus

I'm boycotting

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 13:15

Reiyu

@Thimol

@Thimol: the reason is that games are digital, buying a physical brand name stuff is, you know, PHYSICAL? i'm pretty sure more people would jawdrop if one owns a ferrari rather than having the best items in a mere game.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 13:25

#10

Thimol

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PHYSICAL

A gilded turd is physical. The mere fact that something is physical does not make it more valuable. This game is not physical, but it does provide entertainment, which is a hell of a lot more fun than a half-million dollar car whose only selling point is that it goes fast and has matching luggage in the trunk, and would cost a hell of a lot more in the long term in the way of maintenance.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 13:41

#11

Pepperonius

Reiyu

The game is physical as well. It is information stored on your HDD, that you boot up and play. Would it make a difference to you if they had sold you a CD, and you had to buy an expansion CD as well? The simple fact that it is direct to you through steam SAVES YOU MONEY. No CD, no manufacturing costs, etc. Your argument is baseless to everyone save materialistic, self indulgent fops.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 13:53

#12

Fyall

@Topic

I must say I love to see someone that is objective about the matter at hand, hopefully more will follow as almost everything on the first page "omgz must $$ for expzion?!?!?!!?!? *Rage quit*" or just "bye bye SK" and so forth.

I agree with you totally, can't pay 4$ or 2.99€ for the expansion missions yet people pay large sums of money to buy soda/coffe/alcohol and what not?! Such hypocrites.
Now I understand that there are people that are just so tight on money that they can't afford to put in the extra cash to add some stuff to their game experiance. I can understand that people that have been rolling F2P want to keep doing so, specially if the previous statement fits them but the thing is that 3 rings are a COMPANY and company needs MONEY to stay alive, it's how things work in this world weather you like it or not and F2P can only go so far without anything else backing it up economically.

I'm a student at the University level, I pay for basically everything out of my own pockets and bless my parents for saying that they'll assist me with cash should I ever need it for food or for paying my rent (and yes there are parents that don't help out their children at all so bless those that do for their kind hearts!) so I'm lucky that I don't have to worry about having to live on noodles for a month or might not being able to pay my rent. Yet I still manage to pay for my WoW subscription and have done so for the past 7 years (don't start any wow sucks or what not debate, seriously, don't.), for my MMA training and Gear as I have hopes of going PRO, I sometimes eat lunch out, and other expenses, amongst them, games! And I have managed to do that for almost 2 years now and I've only gone to my parrents for some cash help 2-3 times. How do I manage? I prioritize my expenses, and sure as hell if I save in on all those sodas/coffees/etc I'll be saving a few extra bucks per week, some extra bucks I can use for other stuff like games that I've loved playing since I was a kid!

Swallow that god damned pride for not wanting to pay 4 bucks or what not cause "I thought this was going to be f2p buhuhuhuhu" -_- if you like something, support the company that brings you this something damn it!

And sorry Tengu for using your thread to rant, I guess I just needed to express myself, and sorry to everyone else for spitting another rant I guess?

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:27

#13

Debianlinux

Games are not more fun than

Games are not more fun than Ferraris.

Going fast with matching luggage in the truck really is more fun than gaming on the internet. Besides, Ferraris drop panties.

Shame on the poster who made that ridiculous analogy.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:32

#14

Shoebox

People aren't quitting over

People aren't quitting over the $4. Or even the potential $6.

You have to be as thick as bricks to think this is why people are leaving.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:41

#15

Thimol

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Going fast with matching luggage in the truck really is more fun than gaming on the internet.

No. It isn't. I can honestly say that watching acetone evaporate is much more fascinating than a $500K lead brick with an engine.

Oh and good luck trying to replace those parts after a few years lol, if you're not the heir of friggin bill gates

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:40

#16

Debianlinux

Spoken by someone who has

Spoken by someone who has obviously never launched a Ferrari down the interstate.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:41

#17

Debianlinux

What does John Carmack do

What does John Carmack do with his millions?

He buys Ferraris, not CE.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:43

#18

Wuvvums

Couldn't you launch down the

Couldn't you launch down the interstate in slightly more average cars though? I mean, my chrysler sebring can easily top 100mph, I am just too darn afraid to drive above 70 :D

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:43

#19

Thimol

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ooh going 300 mph down a boring stretch of asphalt in corn country USA how exciting

If I ever won a ferrari I'd sell it and get a five-year supply of cheese puffs

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:48

#20

Debianlinux

It's not so much the top

It's not so much the top speed as how fast it gets you to top speed.

I will agree that Ferraris are not economical and that given the money I would buy something other than but to claim a computer game as being more engaging and fun is quite silly. I have never gotten done playing a computer game and found my heart pounding with adrenalin nor has playing computer games ever gotten me laid. Ferraris do both.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:52

#21

Thimol

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nor has playing computer games ever gotten me laid.

lol people still care about this?

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:57

#22

Debianlinux

Congratulations, I concede

Congratulations, I concede this troll-a-thon

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 15:11

#23

Aedium

I fully agree with

I fully agree with OP.

Thimol, I really hope you're not serious. And yes, people still care about that, a lot, as it's kind of the basis of how we humans propogate.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 15:20

#24

Dirt

I'm pretty sure if people

I'm pretty sure if people left they took their hands with them...

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 16:54

#25

Iceeboy

You were comparing credit

You were comparing credit card money to real life cash. Some kids don't have credit cards.
Therefore, your argument is INVALID.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 17:12

#26

Redfevrier

Well...

Fully Agree with the OP. Thank you, by the way, that was stated most eloquently ^.^ +1

@Iceeboy: Actually credit card money is just a form of real life cash as you can't feed $$ into your computer and sometimes you don't have the cash on hand. In the end the credit card bill is paid with real live cash from a bank account.

True, some kids don't have credit cards- I don't :P- but it's been stated many times before, even in this OP in fact, that there are plenty of ways to put your real live cash to good use. My way? I pay my mom back for every cent I spend on her credit card.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 17:35

#27

Godzy

*~*

Ohai Tengy and Etendy

I buy $4 and buy $5 starbux

Nao go onlien so we can trolololol
=3

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 17:35

#28

Helloxo

Good Points

While I don't agree with chiding tone, you present some good points.
I agree that the price should not even be a factor in arguments since it seems pretty fair; especially since you get two 5 star items and a craft-able 5 star helm.
I would also like to add in that the argument about future content being paid dlc only is baseless, as of now. OOO has stated that you can progress through the entire game for free, and that is still true. Expansion missions are basically side-quests, they have stories but are unrelated to actually progressing through the main campaign (ranked missions) and the clockworks. You do not need to play the t1 expansion to move up to t2 or the t2 to move up to t3 and we'll most likely not have to play the t3 expansion to play core content. They'll probably release expansion content that deals with the core, but doesn't have anything to do with completing the end game (core). Side-quests just provide an interesting story about what else is going on while the main campaign is progressing. However, I am assuming that future expansions will follow the same model as this one.

Though, in their defense, they probably have a valid argument in that by gradually releasing dlc, people who bought them may feel more inclined to play them rather than the clockworks, and such. Which causes segmentation within the spiral knights community, but this is just speculation and I haven't seen any arguments about that yet.

Anyway, we have all seen the threads about people leaving due to the dlc update, but no threads about people that started to play again because of the dlc update. I haven't played this game in awhile, and neither have some of my friends and guildmates, but when we saw dlc and how cheap it was, we all purchased it and started playing this game again. None of us would have continued to play if it were not for this polished and fun expansion. We're pretty impressed by the value of this that we are planning on gifting it in exchange for the ce equivalent to friends that cannot afford to purchase it for whatever reason.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 20:19

#29

Thimol

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Thimol, I really hope you're not serious.

My views seriously bother you?

And yes, people still care about that, a lot, as it's kind of the basis of how we humans propogate.

I don't care, and neither do the people who go on about getting laid like it's a duty. The only reason people try so hard to "get laid" is because it's a rite of passage into the cool crowd. If you were concerned with propagation, you wouldn't do it with a Ferrari, unless you were extremely irresponsible and like leaving a bunch women to raise children on their own.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 20:25

#30

Njthug

Guys you forgot we live in

Guys you forgot we live in Communist Russia we don't believe in Capitalism

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 20:39

#31

The-Rawrcake

You should not mass produce

You should not mass produce unless you are smart. Seriously, birth control? More like population control. I support birth control because of all the idiots that have one purpose: to get laid for your own reputation.

I am 100% with Thimol, on almost everything he or she has said. At least some people strive for happiness instead of Ferraris. You people make me feel better about myself.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 20:40

#32

Thimol

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 20:45

#33

The-Rawrcake

"He or she" and "his or her"

"He or she" and "his or her" are both proper grammar-wise. It is basically just keeping things neutral, because in the old days when everything neutral was referred to as "he", it was sort of sexist.

Also, I cannot tell if you are being sarcastic because we are using text, so I honestly have no idea how to comfortably respond.

If not, homosexuality exists between both men and women.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 20:47

#34

The-Rawrcake

Ok... I finish typing that

Ok... I finish typing that out and see that you blanked out your post.

Awkwarrrrrrrrrrd.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 21:11

#35

Wenkuang

Hi, I LIKE reading entire threads.

How did this derail into a thread about reproduction and the social importance of it?

To address the original OP (EDIT: redundancy! Hurrah!): I'm not that happy that the game is sort of becoming P2P because my mom (gasp! I actually listen to my parents! Goody two-shoes! It's not like they can cut off my debit card, internet, and/or access to my computer!) imposes a strict ban on buying computer stuff. Currently I'm not allowed to get anything. Fun times.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 23:18

#36

Bromon

Not so much the money, more the concept....

For me, and for a lot of other players (I'm assuming) it isn't so much the fact that we have to pay, but more of a feeling of almost betrayal. Like a lot of others have said, they signed on to spiral knight because of it's unique F2P business model. If SK would have just given us a way to earn it in client (which might even be coming soon) many players would be fine. Heck, id even be ok with an access ticket that's bound according to Star. That be an easy way to INCREASE profit. The availability of it would increase demand too. But im sure SK has their reasons.

Although as a personal gripe im kinda annoyed that after a VERY long time of asking for a shadow DPS bomb for the single reason that we DONT HAVE ONE AT ALL the first one that finally comes out is exclusively Pay to play (and overpowered)

Another interesting thing that has popped up from this is the number of complaints, with out a real way to productive talk with the mods. Perhaps, we need a "Ask the Mod" "Critical Critique" or "feedback" thread for the express purpose of really just complaining. It would clean up the boards and we migth actually be able to get some questions answered.

In the end ill probably buy it as im happy to support SK, even though im usually a F2P, but not until we get some sort of client side trading

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 23:03

#37

Wuvvums

@Bromon "Although as a

@Bromon

"Although as a personal grope..."

How could a grope be anything but personal? ;D

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 23:18

#38

Blanky

I've been wanting to buy CE

I've been wanting to buy CE for a long time... It's just that I can't, that's the only reason I'm F2P, really.

I don't think people are leaving because of the price- It's mostly because OOO is giving the "Fun Zone" to one part of the community, leaving the other half with nothing new.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 23:36

#39

Bromon

Lawl. "Personal grope" ;D

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 00:09

#40

Fehzor

I don't care about the 4

I don't care about the 4 dollars. I do care about the direction the game is going in, and about the way it comes off to people. I feel like if I went out of my way to get this after certain people left, and because of how it comes across to myself and so many other people, that I'd be supporting this kind of DLC and update, and I'd really rather not do that.

However, I am still curious about the items that have been given, and would like to try them. Perhaps when I have every single other weapon (Only 20 more to go, not counting 4* weapons that I haven't upgraded or recipes that I've attained but not made) then I'll trade some ce and give it a go.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 00:53

#41

Tengu

/em wipes tear away this

/em wipes tear away

this thread has derailed in an almost perfect manner, and I'm proud to have been the one who's meager rant thread blossomed such wonderful tangents.

Also, Thimol GTFO mah thread with yer car hate. A 620gto is in my future....yea...

as far as the items? They're OP. They really are, I'll admit it.

As a guy who has...1 more gun, 2 more bombs, and then armors to go on building...these are really disgusting in comparison. The bomb is a shadow-damage blitz. Full move speed, decent CTR, and when stacked with max CTR, you get a cuisinart. I jumped JK from stage 1..pretty directly to stage 3 with a half-heated one at VH CTR and no damage bonus. The Hammer is the same damage as Khorovod, only it's all elemental, seems the swing speed is a little faster...and it's got some serious move in it's attack. the 2-swing jumps you forward a'la flourish charge attack. The CHARGE is a double-khorovod attack with area effect on the hit as well. As bomber, i will probably always have the bomb, save in undead/fiend zones. I haven't used the hammer yet, but the bomb will slice everything to ribbons in the Crimson Hammer run. Boss loot = perfect boss run gear, yet again.

The masks are also really nice, and LD fodder. Also...since they have beaky noses...and my name is Tengu...I finally have a character mask that fits me. /cry

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 05:01

#42

Nubskills

Nyan nyan nyan nyan....

Ah, discussion threads, always so many good points around. Sure, I don't mind four dorrar, but my parents will absolutely restrict me on anything and everything reaated to gaming. Heard Nick is aiming to make it tradeble in-game. WANT!
@Tengu
Lol grats!.....feel so jelly now T.T The hammer seems to have a lot of potential in terms of offensive and evasive manoueveres, the three hit combo, range and damage type kinda reminds me of flourish...
@Fehzor
Yeah, the main good arguments against this that I've heard centre around near that topic lol.
@Bromon
Ohai Bromon. Lol gotta agree with those stuff. Too much on this thread to agree with, headache coming >.<
@Wuvvums
Technically, if you "grope" everyone else, it won't really be personal, would it? :P

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 05:19

#43

Wuvvums

Who says you can't be

Who says you can't be personal with a lot of people? :B

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 05:43

#44

Nubskills

Nyan nyan nyan nyan....

O.o O.O o.O
....I think my brain just went and shut down...

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 11:39

#45

Aedium

to humor OP

"My views seriously bother you?"

- Nope, never said that at all or even implied it. But good job incorrectly extracting hidden meanings of posts, anyway. Defensive much?

"I don't care, and neither do the people who go on about getting laid like it's a duty. The only reason people try so hard to "get laid" is because it's a rite of passage into the cool crowd. If you were concerned with propagation, you wouldn't do it with a Ferrari, unless you were extremely irresponsible and like leaving a bunch women to raise children on their own."

- You are exposing yourself as a child if you think that the only reason people seek the attention of the opposite/same sex is it's a rite of passage into the cool crowd. And frankly, you come off as being quite judgmental towards others that do not share your own personal values and it takes away from whatever arguments you can come up with.
All I stated, in response to your "lol people still care about this?", was that a lot of people actually do care about getting laid, which I think you can agree with me on. And if those people were to go about achieving their objectives, I would put my money on a Ferrari with matching luggage doing the job wonderfully. To that end, I hope that showing a potential mate your cache of CE and 5 year supply of cheesy-poofs works well for you in the future...

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 12:28

#46

Fluffyfoxxie

Psh. Getting laid, a rite of

Psh. Getting laid, a rite of passage? for social status? Naw, it's just fun!

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 16:46

#47

Thimol

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Nope, never said that at all or even implied it. But good job incorrectly extracting hidden meanings of posts, anyway. Defensive much?

If that were true, then you wouldn't be saying "I hope you're not serious".

You are exposing yourself as a child if you think that the only reason people seek the attention of the opposite/same sex is it's a rite of passage into the cool crowd.

No one freaking thinks it's the only reason, and I know this too. Geez, apparently hyperboles don't exist anymore.

...was that a lot of people actually do care about getting laid, which I think you can agree with me on.

When we talk about "people", it's implied that these are actual people and not, y'know, social bottom feeders whose only worth are as organ donors.

I hope that showing a potential mate

but I
don't
care
Remember?

Also, on that note, if you got a girlfriend by showing off a Ferrari, she probably isn't interested in procreation anyway.

Fri, 03/02/2012 - 17:41

#48

Tantarian

pff

>Nothing in this world is f2_, and if it is, it's not worth your time.
Your capitalist consumer mentality is hilarious. I'm going to play some Dwarf Fortress.

The rest of your post is silly and misinformed too.
Actually this whole thread is terrible.

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