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Best Gunslinger Loadout?

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Tue, 03/06/2012 - 09:39
Ysser's picture
Ysser

Hey, so I decided to make a gunslinger loadout with the release of the Crimson Hammer mission and this is what I have so far:

Perfect Mask of Seerus
Sunset Duster Max! Shock
Elite Gun Focus Module

In sum the gun bonuses come out to Low ASI, Max! CTR and no damage bonus.

I'm not sure what to do with my Sunset Duster. On one hand, Pierce damage would be ideal for defense in Lockdown, but Elemental defense tends to be preferred otherwise. Also in talking to my friend he mentioned that Damage Bonuses on guns are far more useful than ASI, so that leaves me with the following "optimal" combinations...

1. Justifier Jacket/Nameless Poncho + E. Quick Strike = Very High ASI (Ultra ASI total)
2. Justifier Jacket/Nameless Poncho + E. Trueshot = Med ASI, Med Dmg (High ASI total)
3. Shadowsun Slicker + E. Trueshot = High Dmg

I'm leaning towards 2, but hopefully a more experienced gunner could point me in the right direction. Any help is much appreciated!

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 10:32
#1
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
Full shadowsun

Full shadowsun
Trueshot trink
Gun Asi trink
Swiftstrike shield.

Max damage
Ultra asi.

Ctr for gunners is, in my opinion, not useful on every gun. Whereas, asi will benefit every gun you have.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 10:33
#2
Ysser's picture
Ysser
yay obscene typo editing

I outlined in my post my available options... also the example you provided only gives Very High Damage.

I'm focusing on CTR because I use Blitz/Biohazard/Alchemers frequently... additionally I'd prefer not to use the SS Buckler because there are better defensive choices out there and it's not always possible to gun from a distance. Thanks for the pointer on ASI though.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 10:33
#3
Flipperhands's picture
Flipperhands
My dream set is Perfect Mask

My dream set is

Perfect Mask of Seerus
Nameless Poncho / Justifier Jacket
Swifstrike Buckler
Elite Trueshot
Elite Trueshot

VH damage
Max ASI
Med CTR (VH at heat 10)

Then, get Med type damage on guns that have poor charge shots, Med CTR on alchemers and autogun series. I feel like you sacrifice too much with full Shadowsun for it to be really worth it.

Max damage and Ultra ASI might be more optimal, but I'm not exactly pro at dodging so I prefer a more well-rounded build. To each their own. I've relied a lot on Demonic's advice in an earlier thread, so his build is definitely top tier, just too risky for me.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 10:39
#4
Ysser's picture
Ysser
@Flipperhands

Yeah, that looks like a pretty strong all-around set. Until they buff it, full Shadowsun seems to eschew too many other benefits.

I don't think you can get Max Dmg + Ultra ASI without Low ASI+ / specific damage buffs on your guns though.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 10:41
#5
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
/shrug I thought I edited my

/shrug

I thought I edited my post after I read it again, didn't notice it on the post topic.

And yea, you're right. Don't know what I was thinking. Guns have a fast shield time, thus asi would not benefit you a huge amount when you are using it defencively.

Damage, on the other hand, helps out guns very much. Since guns are pure typed, each increase in damage is increased further when used against the proper enemy, which most gunners do.

Since you seem to enjoy being ctr based:

Seerus mask+asi armour
2x trueshots

Vh ctr
High asi
Vh damage.

Or, you could substitute a trueshot for quick strike:

Ultra asi
Med damage

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 10:51
#6
Ysser's picture
Ysser
NICE

Now we're talking. I hadn't realized that point on guns being pure-typed before; it makes sense then to focus on damage bonuses. The point on ASI and how it affects guns in both attack/defense makes sense too.

I'm liking that first set there, VH CTR / HI ASI / VH DMG. It's just a trinket different from MAX CTR / HI ASI / MED DMG. I suppose I could do both if I were willing to invest, but I'll have to investigate just how much different CTR MAX is from CTR VH.

Thanks for that. So I guess that leaves one last question, Justifier or Nameless? :>

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 11:04
#7
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
What's the status resist on

What's the status resist on those? I say pick depending on those. You're a gunner, dodge those attacks. If in doubt, nameless.

For LD, you need justifier. Full justifier and 2 trueshots, or you won't deal enough damage to harm anything.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 11:07
#8
Sypsy's picture
Sypsy
+1 to Flipperhands'

+1 to Flipperhands' loadout.

I came here to suggest the same loadout.
As the mask is elemental, I would go for the justifier for the first 5* armor.

Later on, I would get a nameless and a deadshot armor since the shadow and the elemental will be useful, especially when the new missions are released. (shadow def will be important).

You may not be comfortable with the swiftstrike (high asi to all weapons) at first since it offers low protection, especially in Tier 3. Eventually though, you can ween yourself off stronger shields and get the swiftstrike when you are comfortable. (Like fsc, after several dozen runs.) I like it especially if you carry a sword around for melee purposes. I would recommend a flourish for all the dodging mobs.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 11:40
#9
Flipperhands's picture
Flipperhands
I do notice that most dodging

I do notice that most dodging mobs are beasts and fiends. Which is unfortunate because my piercing gun is a Strike Needle, and it completely sucks against dodgers.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 12:57
#10
Ysser's picture
Ysser
feels good man

All right, that's excellent. Thanks to you guys I've decided on this:

Perfect Mask of Seerus
Justifier Jacket
Elite Trueshot Module x2

So all in all, CTR VH, ASI High and Damage VH. This is probably the most flexible setup.

In Lockdown as a Recon, ASI is boosted to Ultra and CTR to Max!, which is perfect for nailing people with an Umbra charge. And with SS Buckler ASI hits Max! so again very versatile.

I have a Levi for general purposes but I see where my BTB would come in handy, what with the mobility and effectiveness against the hardest mobs to shoot...

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 13:03
#11
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
Shields have no effect in

Shields have no effect in stats in lockdown. They are replaced by your class mods. They do affect the tier you are put in.

Have you a callahan? Terrible for damage, but fun for the dodging monsters.

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 13:12
#12
Ysser's picture
Ysser
Callahan POWER

I know, I was just mentioning the two different situations the same paragraph. The Recon shield gives Med CTR and Med ASI to guns in Lockdown (amongst other modifications) for CTR Max and Ultra ASI. SS Buckler is for clockworks, and would boost my ASI from High to Max.

Yeah, I have a Callahan VH Gremlin, I'm looking forward to having a little more fun with it with this set. :D

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 17:02
#13
The-Rawrcake's picture
The-Rawrcake
AWMG NEW MAAAASK GETS LAWL

Honestly, if you do not use Alchemers and you are not in your Blitz loadout, you should not use the mask. A Nameless Hat would be more beneficial unless you need the positive status resistances on the mask. The positive status resistances on the mask is enough of a benefit for someone to use it in FSC if they haven't gotten used to dodging everything.

Right now there isn't a "Best Loadout" because you have to switch according to what you are doing.

A. Swiftstrike buckler... You can easily hit very high asi with armor and hat, then another ASI bonus from a UV. This can make the swiftstrike buckler almost useless of a buff, and extremely weak. Personally, I get low ASI uvs on antiguas, then medium ASI uvs on alchemers because both are pretty cheap and inexpensive. Doesn't take ridiculous work, and is a good little bonus.

When it comes down to it, there are many situations that you do not want to use a swiftstrike because *GASP* you cannot dodge everything 24/7. Some people either don't want to accept that you cannot dodge everything all the time and sometimes might make a slip because you are a human being or something else. We are humans, humans make mistakes even in video games. I doubt you have never been hit, in fact, a lot of the time I am finding shielding very important on Vanaduke because of his charges with fire orbs. It's a simple shield, sometimes you have to shield it, and if you do not shield you suffer fire which sucks. There's a way you can avoid it, though it takes more moving around and less shooting. Having to mash AP in his face now kind of makes more shooting more important now that they don't give us a mobility piercing gun............................. (Or you can solo blitz if you have mastered knowing when he charges vs. smashes. Ugh, it takes so much more work).

Anyways, your shield should be Royal Jelly Shield (preferrable Royal Jelly because we shield mostly pure piecing attacks), Crest of Almire because most shadow attacks are split normal and shock and fire is more devastating than freeze and poison (Comparing to Dread Skelly Shield) in my opinion, then finally Grey Owlite which doesn't have competition.

All three, get a shield for shadow attacks, piercing attacks, and elemental attacks. Before you were even supposed to get an Ancient Plate Shield for gremlins, but not necessary with them and other things like scuttle bots dealing split elemental now...

For your armor, get both Nameless and Justifier for the ASI. You will want both for piercing content (current or future, doesn't matter). You will also want to grab a Mask for blitzing, as all gunners should be getting a Blitz or Plague because of the crazy utility / damage for specific situations. Shadowsun is not as beneficial, explained soon.

Damage bonus and ASI are toe to toe on which is more beneficial for single target DPS. The way to determing which you want is that ASI helps in survivability and damage bonus may in some situations be more beneficial or not beneficial at all (it takes 2 hits instead of 3 to kill something, but damage bonus may sometimes regardless make something take 3 hits and be not extremely helpful bonus).

With that said, ASI seems more desirable, and a low damage bonus is underwhelming.

Now for guns

Survivability:
1. Elemental - Argent Peacemaker in most situations, possibly an Alchemer if you are AoEing packs of zombies.
2. Shadow - Sentenza for gremlins, and either Umbra or Sentenza for slimes based on preferrance. Umbra can take out packs of slimes better. Sentenza is unanimously better for gremlins, not to mention great for mortars.
3. Piercing - Blitz for party utility and bosses, Callahan for survivability.
4. Fourth gun is for utility or survivability, possible damage, but its personal preferrance. I go with Polaris for gun puppies.

All of the above can completely change due to content / the level you are on, switched around in your preferrance to suit the level best.

For trinkets, it's pretty much a given to get damage bonus trinkets for the reasons of ASI being UV-ed and on armor medium per piece, and CTR is generally not worth trinketting.

What does this mean? In order to have the "Best" loadout, you will need a tooooon of guns and armor and trinket slots since this game promotes a wide arsenal for specific content.

So, get to it :3

Tue, 03/06/2012 - 19:35
#14
Derpules's picture
Derpules
Some stuff I don't get

"Honestly, if you do not use Alchemers and you are not in your Blitz loadout, you should not use the mask."

If you're in FSC, you're probably in your Blitz loadout, no?

If you're outside of FSC, do you really need to milk every last point of effectiveness from your gear? What's one more point of ASI? You're not going to lose to mobs because of it, lawl. (Plus, for non-ele, you might as well use your Justifier instead. Save one hat! If cost-effectiveness matters.)

"A Nameless Hat would be more beneficial unless you need the positive status resistances on the mask. The positive status resistances on the mask is enough of a benefit for someone to use it in FSC if they haven't gotten used to dodging everything."

If you're dodging everything, why does your gear matter at all? Do you need one more point of ASI if you're never getting hit? What ever for?

(Heh, I seem to spend a lot of time arguing with you, considering that I actually agree with most things you say.)

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 02:42
#15
Sypsy's picture
Sypsy
@The-Rawrcake To quote Ysser:

@The-Rawrcake
To quote Ysser: "I'm focusing on CTR because I use Blitz/Biohazard/Alchemers frequently"

So yes, the mask is relevant.

Confused.

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