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Wed, 03/07/2012 - 16:42
Neigh-Knocker's picture
Neigh-Knocker

Okay, so here's the story.

I'm all happy about my silent Nightblade being centmieters away from going to level 10. About 2 hours later, while doing the new missions, I finally reach level 10. YAY! CAN FINALLY MAKE ACHERON TO SELL! Oh wait...... It says "Will bind when transmuted". Funny part about this is that it has no UV's and I don't have anything selected that would make it bind. Maybe it's Sega trying to steal more money from our wallets and pockets by making you unbind it? Or maybe it's a glitch? I have no clue. Someone PLEASE tell me what the hell is going on..

GM Edit: Language

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 16:48
#1
Aylnine's picture
Aylnine
All gear that you equip are

All gear that you equip are automatically bound. This has been the case for many, many months now.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 16:49
#2
Thimol's picture
Thimol
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OP

what grade are you in

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 16:52
#3
Paclunch's picture
Paclunch
....

Exactly i was about to reply but someone else already did. How did u get all the way up to 5 star gear without knowing this...

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 16:52
#4
Neigh-Knocker's picture
Neigh-Knocker
What?

That really isn't a clear statement. I've crated swords before that haven't needed to be bound at the point of being transmuted. It isn't an Acheron yet, and it isn't equipped. It`s a silent nightblade at level 10, and I have all of the materials. It just doesn`t have an option to not be bound. As I said, it has no UV`s.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 16:52
#5
Tengu's picture
Tengu
OP watch your language. Also,

OP

watch your language.

Also, if you ever equipped it, it's bound.

Also, if you built past 4*, it's bound.

Also..

eh. never mind.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 16:53
#6
Paclunch's picture
Paclunch
Wait what?

How did u get it to level 10 if you didnt equip it to level it in the first place?

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 16:54
#7
Neigh-Knocker's picture
Neigh-Knocker
Thanks

Tengu, that summed it all up. It wasn`t equipped. But the `Past 4*`cleared it up. Thanks!

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 16:56
#8
Neigh-Knocker's picture
Neigh-Knocker
And Paclunch

You don`t get what I`m saying. I`m saying the Acheron wasn`t equipped. I didn`t figure that because at lower *`s I never had that issue.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 17:02
#9
Aylnine's picture
Aylnine
2* and 3* gear are usually

2* and 3* gear are usually not bound upon creation because they don't require heat. If the original item was not bound, the created item is not bound.

Heating requires the item to be equipped, thus binding the item.

Thus, all 4* and 5* items are bound when created, because 4* items require the 3* to be at lvl 5, and 5* items require the item to be at lvl 10.

It has been and so it shall be.

Edit: I think I understand why you're confused. Any item you transmute from a previously bound item is bound, whether you equip it or not after you craft it. That means that if you use a bound Silent Nightblade to create an Acheron, the Acheron is still bound. Also, if you happen to be a player joining us after a long hiatus, a patch was introduced that binds all items by the previously stated rules, whereas items were not bound before.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 17:00
#10
Neigh-Knocker's picture
Neigh-Knocker
But that`s the thing

When I crated my CIV, I had the option for it to not be bound by having the UV`s not transfer. Can someone explain this to me as well?

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 17:01
#11
Neigh-Knocker's picture
Neigh-Knocker
And again

This is yet another one of those "Free to Play- pay to Win" games.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 17:04
#12
Aylnine's picture
Aylnine
That is not possible. UVs

That is not possible. UVs have nothing to do with the item being bound or not.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 17:06
#13
The-Rawrcake's picture
The-Rawrcake
@ OP

No, you just don't understand how the game mechanics work, OP (edit: not directed at previous poster, this is directed to original poster)

You should never have been able to heat up your cold iron carver and have it not be bound after equipping it to heat it.

If you did and you sold it, that is abusing a bug.

All gear binds when you equip.

Otherwise, you talk to the gremlin who can unbind your item for you.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 17:06
#14
Fluffyfoxxie's picture
Fluffyfoxxie
More like "Free to play - Pay

More like "Free to play - Pay to play faster" games. Though, with the addition of Crimson Hammer DLC, I can see how it is a little bit "Pay to Win"

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 17:06
#15
Neigh-Knocker's picture
Neigh-Knocker
.........

There is an option saying "Transfer UV's. Item will bind when transmuted" or something along those lines. This ONLY occurs if the item actually has UV's, of course.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 17:07
#16
Iron-Volvametal's picture
Iron-Volvametal
...

3-5* Items Bind on Craft. UVs have NOTHING to do with it.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 17:08
#17
The-Rawrcake's picture
The-Rawrcake
UVs have absolutely nothing

UVs have absolutely nothing to do with an item being bound.

If you alchemize an item that is already bound to you, it remains bound no matter what. If you heated up an item, that means that you equipped the item. If you equipped the item, that binds it to you.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 17:08
#18
Neigh-Knocker's picture
Neigh-Knocker
1 Minute

I think I get this. The "Item will bind when transmuted" is an entirely different message. Okay, thanks guys.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 17:10
#19
Maeko's picture
Maeko
Edit

calmed down and you changed your tone, i apologize

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 17:09
#20
Paclunch's picture
Paclunch
um.

Look i may be wrong but i dont see how transfering UVs has anything to do with how the gear gets bound. Using this,
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Unique_variant#Crafting_Strategy_with_Alch...
It says that that option just gives you the ability to transfer the UV to the next upgrade of the weapon or roll for a completely new UV.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 17:10
#21
Aylnine's picture
Aylnine
Also, being able to sell a

Also, being able to sell a weapon has nothing to do with "winning" this game. There are plenty of ways to do well in this game without needing to pay a penny. Having money helps with having stellar gear for LD, but that's about it. The rest of it is just the speed you go through the game.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 17:12
#22
Slayzz's picture
Slayzz
Maybe thus was a feature a

Maybe thus was a feature a year ago? Idk....but I can tell you that anything 4 or 5 star will be bound initially, just because of some obscure patch sometime last year. You seem like a long-returning player to me. If that's the case, you have a lot of different things to discover.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 17:13
#23
Neigh-Knocker's picture
Neigh-Knocker
Ummmm, makeo

Maeko, who are you talking to?

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 17:17
#24
Ubernerd's picture
Ubernerd
...

There are not words for what is going through my mind right now...

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 17:22
#25
Mastersleet-Alt's picture
Mastersleet-Alt
DUDE, u equip the item Its

DUDE,

u equip the item Its bound forever even if u craft.

OK

UV's .... dont affect ANYTHING

NO MATTER WHAT

Once u equip something its bound

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 17:33
#26
Maeko's picture
Maeko
@Neigh

My comment before I edited was a spur of the moment response to your "free to play, pay to win" comment that made me a bit angry. However, because I did not think before hand, It was very rude and personal-attacky.

When I saw the responses of others and yourself after I posted, I realized my error and deleted the comment and apologized for the slip of the mind on my part.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 17:37
#27
Dancinjen's picture
Dancinjen
I think you're confused. All

I think you're confused. All the UV box does is transfer the UVs. It had no effect on if the item is bound or not. If it does that is a glitch that needs to be reported immediately and looked into.

They used to be exactly like you're describing it. Back in beta and a bit at release when you crafted an item it would become unbound even if you had equipped it before. Which meant you could trade those items after crafted. It was a huge market, and a big sort of exploit. I think it was around june/july they made the binding update that any item equipped was bound automatically, but you could unbind these items for a price.

Now, if you want to update a three star item to a four star item you will have to be heated to level five. In order to heat an item it must be equipped, therefore said item would be bound.

the line you are crafting goes as such:

brandish(2 star)> nightblade(3 star)> silent nightblade(4 star)> acheron(5 star)

The brandish doesn't have to be bound because it's two star and no heat required for it to be made into nightblade. So now you have a nightblade that you wish to craft to silent nightblade. The nightblade must be heated to level five before it can be made into a silent nightblade. Therefore, equipping the nightblade which makes the silent nightblade and acheron bound.

Three Rings isn't making this a huge plot for your money so get off that subject already and move on about this pay for play nonsense.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 19:25
#28
Neigh-Knocker's picture
Neigh-Knocker
@ Maeko

Dude, I didn't mind your post at all. it's your opinion, and I can't do [squat] about it. We are all entitled to our own opinions, and that was yours.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 19:31
#29
Neigh-Knocker's picture
Neigh-Knocker
@ Maeko

Dude, I didn't mind your post at all. it's your opinion, and I can't do anything about it. We are all entitled to our own opinions, and that was yours.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 19:34
#30
Xylka-Mkii's picture
Xylka-Mkii
This has got to be the

This has got to be the strangest thread i have seen about explaining a game mechanic.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 20:42
#31
Neigh-Knocker's picture
Neigh-Knocker
@Dancinjen

Please, PLEASE tell me how they aren't at all going for our money? It's a game where you PAY to have advantages. They want you to pay. You're acting like they do this for the sake of doing it. They're in it for money, like any other reasonable developer.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 21:06
#32
Howlz's picture
Howlz
Huh?

Weren't you asking about equipment getting bound on crafting? Why are you suddenly talking about developers and $$?
Totally out of point.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 21:10
#33
Neigh-Knocker's picture
Neigh-Knocker
Well Howlz

It kinda got mixed in when I said it was a "Pay to Win" game because when it came to items 3* and up, it's bound automatically, and you have to take it to get unbound. And with a 5* item, that's the equivilant of $10.

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 21:13
#34
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
How is that pay to win,

How is that pay to win, exactly? You are forced to grind your own gear, thus the majority of people simply buy gear overpriced at 5*? Are you implying that grinding in a game is a terrible mistake on the dev's part?

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